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Posted on May 26, 2005 at 3:15:34 [Post link]
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Ugh. I can't get over the fact that Bo lost. I can't see for the life of me why anyone would vote for Carrie. Bo's got the voice, he's got soul, and he's got a mullet! Just think of the mullet, man.....


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Posted on May 26, 2005 at 3:25:51 [Post link]
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...Are you talking about American Idol? I never thought ppl actually watched that show.


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Posted on May 26, 2005 at 4:16:00 [Post link]
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Yeah, care to specify what the heck you're talking about? Not everyone lives in the USA.


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Posted on May 26, 2005 at 6:12:35 [Post link]
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Yes, he's talking about American Idol.

I think they probably picked the chick because she was "pretty". America is retarded and bases all talent in the pop industry on how good you look.

Good thing for that Bo fellow is that sometimes the runners up get better record deals than the winners.


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Posted on May 26, 2005 at 12:08:16 [Post link]
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I was watching American Idol for awhile then I just decided to stop. It just didn't interest me that much. I didn't even watch the finals. Who won?


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Posted on May 26, 2005 at 16:36:12 [Post link]
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The prep. American Idol Sucks. Meh Meh meh.


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Posted on May 26, 2005 at 20:27:53 [Post link]
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I don't know how the show is. I just don't really watch it. :P

But I know from watching the news and the report they had that her voice was pretty bad. I didn't get to hear the other guy.


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It wasn't so much that her voice was bad... she's just so... run-of-the-mill, in my oppinion. I can turn on a country radio station and hear a million other people that sound just like her. And yes, it's annoying that it all seems based on looks, but that's how it goes. Bo had something that a lot of the other contestants really have; originality. He had an easy sort of style. (That and he wasn't a friggin' Barbie-doll. Bleh.) Frankly, I was really tied up on who I wanted to win; Bo or Baby-V! I thought she had some real potential, even if a few of her performances weren't the best. Oh, well, I'm sure we'll hear more from both of them. Just look at Clay Aiken!

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American Idol hosts no talent.

When they go into the studio with 16 songs THEY wrote, with 16 backing tracks that THEY made. I will respect them more. Until then, they were merely born with good vocal chords.


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...They were born with good vocal cords. Exactly. That's the point of being a good singer, duh. Except for the fact that you have to work a lot at that, and some people who don't have really good voices can make them really good by "exercising," and other things. There's bands out now like Green Day. Green Day can't sing. And neither can half of the bands out there, especially in hard rock.

Yes, American Idol is about one of the most retarded shows ever made. But it's SO MUCH better then most reality TV. At least these guys are just entering a singing competition and taking up time on the news.

Thank God Bo didn't win. He was all country, both with his voice and his look style (both what he can control and what he could not). Kid Rock is a little country, but that's okay. This guy would actually sing country, and probably stuff about God too. Constantine was pretty awesome, and it can't remember the rest. Yes it saw some of a few shows; it's biological mother is one of those obsessed freaks with it. Okay she came home on her way to the library (20 minutes/a normal amount away, and she was at least halfway there; it wasn't like she had just left, and even if she had...) to tape it, and not only that, it was the results show. That's one of the worst things about American Idol. No actually, THE worst. They can't just leave it at one normal show, like everyone else does. They have to waste TWO, sometimes THREE of our hours of T.V. which we could be using to watch actual shows. And why the heck would you want to SEE the results show? They don't DO anything!! It's got the results show for you here. "Lisa and Sam have been kicked off." Now, say that REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLY slowly and make it last an hour. WOW that was intresting. It doesn't know what her problem is why she starts screaming at it if she misses that show (the results one, not the "actual" one, though "actual" isn't a great word because it's not "actual" TV). The entire thing is pointless anyway because the winner WON'T get popular, as a matter of fact, they will be shunned. Both times the winner has been like people without the show would be going, "Who?," and a few a FEW people have actually heard of the loser (2nd place) (were it not for the show). Or in Ruben's case he's just the target of 40-year-old women maybe average popularity, it guesses, and the target of 40-year-old women certian isn't "American Idol." Now Making the Band, that show made sense. O-Town actually became POPULAR, not crazily, but a normal amount. Better (popularity-wise) then a lot of the stuff they play on the radio anyway, like A Perfect Circle. A lot of people still haven't heard of them. Of course, they're certinaly more popular then the people from American Idol, who would have never been heard of (and yes it KNOWS that's the point of the show; it meant if they were played on the radio and as popular as they are right now, not one of them would have been heard of except possibly POSSSIBLY Clay Aiken, and then only as much as say Sarina Paris (who it loves)).

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Posted on May 27, 2005 at 17:55:19 [Post link]
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I agree completely. We do suck at picking idols. We suck.


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Posted on May 27, 2005 at 20:22:47 [Post link]
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Oh, sorry. I should've made the subtitle a bit more descriptive. I'll be more careful from now on.

But, honestly.....whether or not you liked Bo...

You can't look me in the face and say you didn't enjoy his performance with Lynyrd Skynyrd. (sp?)


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Posted on May 27, 2005 at 20:23:50 [Post link]
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Yes I do. That Rock guy was sweet. The girl sucked. End of story.


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Posted on May 27, 2005 at 22:28:21 [Post link]
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...They were born with good vocal cords. Exactly. That's the point of being a good singer, duh. Except for the fact that you have to work a lot at that, and some people who dont' have really good voices can make them really good by "excercising," and other things. There's bands out now like Green Day. Green Day can't sing. And neither can half of the bands out there, especially in hard rock.


You don't have to tell me twice. I am a performing musician. I play at coffee joints and such. Yes, Green Day is talentless but your comment about hard rock is a biased opinion. True, majority of them arn't good at singing (as the public accepts it) but that doesn't mean they have any less talent as musicians...Anything in the maintstream is artificial. I know how long it takes to write a song, record it, and accumulate 15 songs for an LP. People like Britney Spears and these American Idol winners walk right into the studio, sing their parts, leave, collect royalties and lip sing on SNL. If anyone begs to differ, PM me.


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Posted on May 27, 2005 at 22:36:52 [Post link]
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Green Day? Talentless? That's the funnyest thing anyones said all day!

Pop Idol, American Idol, Fame Achademy, they're all crap. I can't believe these reality pop contests still exist. They winners never live past three weeks in the industry. They are not the way to get into the music industry.


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What American Idol is, for all that it isn't, is a chance for a singer to get recognized. Granted, it doesn't always work very well, but as a singer myself, I know how hard it is to write, perform, and find people to play your music. "Born with good vocal chords." Pah, that's a good one. I'm better the person who said that can't sing at all; singing is something that doesn't usually "just happen." Even if you can sing, no matter WHAT style, it still takes a lot of time, effort, and patience to perfect that. It's like anything else; sports, art, anything; the talent can be there, but you have to work to bring it out.

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Posted on May 28, 2005 at 6:30:59 [Post link]
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What American Idol is, for all that it isn't, is a chance for a singer to get recognized. Granted, it doesn't always work very well, but as a singer myself, I know how hard it is to write, perform, and find people to play your music. "Born with good vocal chords." Pah, that's a good one. I'm better the person who said that can't sing at all; singing is something that doesn't usually "just happen." Even if you can sing, no matter WHAT style, it still takes a lot of time, effort, and patience to perfect that. It's like anything else; sports, art, anything; the talent can be there, but you have to work to bring it out.

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When has it ever worked? Will Young? Where is he? Where is Hearsay?

Pop Idol, American Idol, none of them were originally for anyone to be recognised a s a singer! You're a fool if you honestly believe that. They are just another crappy reality TV show designed to make money. Small wonder ITV were the first to do "Popstars".


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I would have voted for Bo but i don't really care. I only wached the finaly. The only season I could stand to wach all the way through was the second one with Ruben and Clay.

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...How the hell is it a biased opinion? It's true. The point of hard rock music is to scream, and have hard beats, NOT to sing. Not that it's all screaming, but what singing there is usually does NOT have a good voice. And that's not biased. It's fact. It's pretty hard to have a negative biased opinion about music you like =\. Well, some of it anyway.

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I know how long it takes to write a song, record it, and accumulate 15 songs for an LP.

That is, of course, assuming you writer your own songs =\. Not all of them, or even most of them, do. AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TALENT OF THE VOICE. ...Does anyone know what talent IS? It's what you were born with, that's what it is. If you had to work at it and originally sucked, then it's not talet it's... manufactured talent. Or something.

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People like Britney Spears and these American Idol winners walk right into the studio, sing their parts, leave, collect royalties and lip sing on SNL.

Yeah, NFK. That's the point... and not all of them lip sync, and if they do, it DEFINITELY has nothing to do with the type of music they sing, since ALL "brands" lip sync while on stage, and ALL have ones that do not. And since nobody knows who's who, there is no more or less of it in any genre. And the Backstreet Boys can actually SING. You shouldn't be making music if you can't sing =\. That doesn't mean it doesn't like them. (Except some rap and some hard rock (screaming). Those you aren't supposed to sing.)

..And no one said Greeny Day was talentless. It said they diodn't have a good voice, at ALL. ...Or at least they're not using it. Of course, with some groups, like They Might Be Giants, it's better when they don't have a real voice. But then They Might Be Giants doesn't have many "good" songs as it originally thought. Just that one so far, actually. Of course, They Might Be Giants is SUPPOSED to be that way. Green Day is making actual music.

"Doesn't always work"

When has it ever worked? Will Young? Where is he? Where is Hearsay?

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Pop Idol, American Idol, none of them were originally for anyone to be recognised a s a singer! You're a fool if you honestly believe that. They are just another crappy reality TV show designed to make money. Small wonder ITV were the first to do "Popstars".

No actually, Star Search couldn't POSSIBLY be "just another reality TV show," because "reality TV" didn't even EXIST at that time. And many current celebrites DID get their start on Star Search, NOT like Kelly Clarkson, or Justin Timberlake who nobody would have ever heard of if it weren't for *N Sync or any of those other "stars" who make less then the rest of the music groups/bands/singers make in a week and nobody should have ever heard of. American Idol is really the only one that can go in that catergory with all that "reality TV" crap, and that one they did fake where they choose the worse singers, and any other shows spawned off of it (that one with the kids....?), though really American Idol can't even go in the same catergory as the rest of them, since they're not making anything or fooling people or being just completely immoral like Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire?, for instance, all they're (American Idol [is]) doing is taking up useful T.V. time with their worthless airspace and double-T.V.-shows, which, in it's book, makes it even worse (Hey!, those people AGREE, and Fear Factor doesn't do anything bad either). (For the record, the double-showing of something so useless that not even the fans care to see it was what made it worse, not the fact that it wasn't bad such as making people marry people.)


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...How the hell is it a biased opinion? It's true. The point of hard rock music is to scream, and have hard beats, NOT to sing. Not that it's all screaming, but what singing there is usually does NOT have a good voice.


What planet are you on? The only reason that lots of rock singers don't sing is because they can't. You are not supposed to scream. I only know two groups that scream: Nirvana and the Sex Pistols. The Sex Pistols are a relatively crappy punk band (there are better ones) and at least in Nirvana, Kurt Cobain yelled in a tuneful way.

However, true Rick music is supposed to be music, and it's supposed to be listened to. Trust me, the only reason more people don't sing is because they can't.

[quote]No actually, Star Search couldn't POSSIBLY be "just another reality TV show," because "reality TV" didn't even EXIST at that time. And many current celebrites DID get their start on Star Search, NOT like Kelly Clarkson, or Justin Timberlake who nobody would have ever heard of if it weren't for *N Sync or any of those other "stars" who make less then the rest of the music groups/bands/singers make in a week and nobody should have ever heard of. American Idol is really the only one that can go in that catergory with all that "reality TV" crap, and that one they did fake where they choose the worse singers, and any other shows spawned off of it (that one with the kids....?), though really American Idol can't even go in the same catergory as the rest of them, since they're not making anything or fooling people or being just completely immoral like Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire?, for instance, all they're (American Idol [is]) doing is taking up useful T.V. time with their worthless airspace and double-T.V.-shows, which, in it's book, makes it even worse (Hey!, those people AGREE, and Fear Factor doesn't do anything bad either). (For the record, the double-showing of something so useless that not even the fans care to see it was what made it worse, not the fact that it wasn't bad such as making people marry people.) [/quote]

When did we start talking about Starsearch? Wne last I looked, we were talking about American Idol, which happened at a time when Reality TV was really popular.

I resent these manufactured bands. The last one was Busterd. Look at them.

I don't care how these talent shows used to work, the fact is, they don't work anymore.

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[quote]Originally posted by God
That is, of course, assuming you writer your own songs =\ [/quote]

Right, you can't tell me that the American Idol winners do. You can't tell me Kelly Clarkston busted out "A moment like this" out of thin air?

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Yeah, NFK. That's the point... and not all of them lip sync, and if they do, it DEFINITELY has nothing to do with the type of music they sing, since ALL "brands" lip sync while on stage, and ALL have ones that do not


Yes, I can imagine that some bands in every genre lip sing. I can even imagine that some of these American Idol winners don't lip sing. But you can't tell me that majority of Pop Artists don't lip sing

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And since nobody knows who's who, there is no more or less of it in any genre


I have been near/behind the soundboard of many rock bands (Live, Counting Crows, Stone Temple Pilots etc) and I can guarantee you that they don't lip sing. And yes, I do know 'who's who' well at least in the music industry (because I have been in so many studios and met many people)



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And the Backstreet Boys can actually SING. You shouldn't be making music if you can't sing =\. That doesn't mean it doesn't like them. (Except some rap and some hard rock (screaming). Those you aren't supposed to sing.) [/quote]

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Green Day is making actual music.


are they? Look at their imagine in 1990 when they were with lookout, look at their image now. Look a little different? When did they become poloticians all of the sudden? 10 years ago they were singing about masturbation. I'm not saying they can't have a political opinion, it's just not their place to do anything.3 power chords isn't what I call talent. They may be making music, in an odd way, but they're are so many other bands out there who have way more talent, and arn't big because their music doesn't appel to the general public.


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two groups that scream: Nirvana and the Sex Pistols


That's not screaming bud, know your facts before you post.

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However, true Rick music is supposed to be music, and it's supposed to be listened to. Trust me, the only reason more people don't sing is because they can't.


Who are you to say that Nirvana and the Sex Pistols arn't "Rick" because I'm sure they're more rock than anything that came off of a corporate TV show. You don't have to sing to make rock, bud. It's all about the passion. Could Jimi Hendrix sing? Huh? Answer that? Was Jimi Hendrix anything like Roy Orbison, def. not. And if you think Jimi isn't rock, then you need to be educated.



Conclusion:

Hard Rock is music. Pop music is superficial (for the most part)

Lip singing IS in a lot of genres, but mainly in Pop music

Green Day (no matter how much I hate them) DOES make music, it's not the...ok, its not good but yes *sigh* you can call it music

And last: Nirvana and Sex Pistols don't scream. They ARE Rock, and you don't have to have a 'perfect voice' to be a musician


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I side with you on your hatred of Green Day, Burito. I can't take too much of their music in one sitting.....It's all about being worthless scum and wanting to kill yourself. I mean, they've already destroyed their own minds....why do it to so many more youths across America? (I don't want to start a flame, just my opinion.) I'm also very pleased to know that others share my point of view, with Pop being superficial.

And rap music....ugh, don't get me started. =\


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Who are you to say that Nirvana and the Sex Pistols arn't "Rick" because I'm sure they're more rock than anything that came off of a corporate TV show. You don't have to sing to make rock, bud. It's all about the passion. Could Jimi Hendrix sing? Huh? Answer that? Was Jimi Hendrix anything like Roy Orbison, def. not. And if you think Jimi isn't rock, then you need to be educated.


WTF? What I said was in contradiction to God.

I like Nirvana. OK, scream isn't the word, but "yell" certainly is. But yell in a melodic way. I know they're rock. God was saying that Rock is about screaming, not singing. I said that Often if they don't sing it's because they can't. Kurt Cobain was the exception. He could sing and he could yell and he could do both at the same time.

Jimi Hendrix was "pshychadelic rock", so yes he is. And when did singing come into it? I Jimi Hendrix's music was more influenced around the guitar than the voice.

Billy-Joe can sing. Not that well, but he is a lot better than lots of people around here. And if you say that playing a few power chords isn't talent, you really haven't played heared either Good Riddance or Wake me up when September ends.

I like rock music. I also resent the fact that many people believe that rock isn't about singing, but screaming. To which I answer "what the hell was Freddie Mercury about then?" Freddie Mercury had a really powerful voice, second only to Meat Loaf who has an exceptional voice. Wow. So how can you say that there is no place for singing in rock music? Sure, there are lots of people in it who can't, but they are a relative minority. Ozzie Osbourne is another example. So it Robert Plant.

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I side with you on your hatred of Green Day, Burito. I can't take too much of their music in one sitting.....It's all about being worthless scum and wanting to kill yourself. I mean, they've already destroyed their own minds....why do it to so many more youths across America? (I don't want to start a flame, just my opinion.) I'm also very pleased to know that others share my point of view, with Pop being superficial.


WTF? Are you listening to the same Green Day I am?

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Wait, I might be thinking of System of a Down or My Chemical Romance. But I still don't like Green Day.


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[quote]Originally posted by Mr.Mettaur
I side with you on your hatred of Green Day, Burito. I can't take too much of their music in one sitting.....It's all about being worthless scum and wanting to kill yourself. I mean, they've already destroyed their own minds....why do it to so many more youths across America? (I don't want to start a flame, just my opinion.) I'm also very pleased to know that others share my point of view, with Pop being superficial.

And rap music....ugh, don't get me started. =\ [/quote]


You think Green Day is bad? what about the Taking back Sunday? Dashboard Confessional? The Used? Emo, thats the next big thing and Green Day are trying to ride the wave, plus they're trying to get political because hating bush is the cool thing to do. Green Day is bad, Emo is horrible.


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I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
Well that's enough to argue.

Don't wanna be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information nation of hysteria.
It's going out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
well that's enough to argue


It's more of the media-crontrolled side of America than the bad president side.

I haven't heared a single depressing emo Green Day song so how you can come up with comments like that is beyond me.

[Edited on 3/6/05 by Samsara]


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I still don't like artists who have an attitude along the lines of "All people are morons" and "I hate everything and everyone." Green Day might not be that, and if not, then whatever, I thought they were. That's how I interpreted their music.


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I never said Green Day was emo, I said they were just as bad

Green Day ARE American idiots. Have you ever heard REAL political punk? It's called "Oi" punk, you know, in case you didn't know what Green Day were ripping off, diluting and marketing to all the 12 year olds in America. "I hate America! I'm so different!!!!!111lolZ!!!!!" No, they wern't the first so get over it.

P.S. My music pwnz yours. :P


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Originally posted by ELBURITO
I never said Green Day was emo, I said they were just as bad

Green Day ARE American idiots. Have you ever heard REAL political punk? It's called "Oi" punk, you know, in case you didn't know what Green Day were ripping off, diluting and marketing to all the 12 year olds in America. "I hate America! I'm so different!!!!!111lolZ!!!!!" No, they wern't the first so get over it.

P.S. My music pwnz yours. :P


I really couldn't care less if Green Day was the first band ever to make a song with America in the title and saying negative things about it. If you really did think like that, you'd only ever like one band.

And it's not really against America. It's about the media. It's about hollywood. It's about how everything is fake.

If you name one band that you like, I bet you'd be able to find at least one song by tham that wasn't original in every single way.

Besides. If one song gets you so annoyed, you must have serious problems. It's just a song making a social comment! Don't let it get to you!


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