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This wednesday I\'m giving a presentation on the topic of \"The ethics of cloning\". I\'m supposed to basically report about my findings and give an opinion of whether I am for or against it.

I\'m against it but only because I don\'t see any benefits and I keep finding articles / sites made by \'naturalists\' or whatever you call them that only give the negative points.

I was wondering what you guys thought about it. Don\'t worry about me using your opinions or quotes in my report. I\'m only supposed to use well cited sources only .

By the way, cloning as in animal cloning where you take cells from an already existing organism and put the DNA into an embyo.


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Since everybody helped with my report, I\'ll help with yours!

I personally think that cloning entire organisms is wrong. However with research being done on the possibilities of using human stem cells* I can\'t help but support the research.

Using them would allow us to create not new people, but recreate a part of you. This means that if you where dying of a heart disorder, they could \"grow\" just your heart with out needing to create a whole new organism.

This could eliminate blindness, Cancer, liver failure, and a whole slew of other problems. So yes, I\'m for some of it and against other bits.

*Stem cells are the ones that are present during the earliest developmental stages. They later organize into the other cells that form all other cells, tissues, and organs.


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This steps a little bit into the realm of using forbitten technology or something like that. I really don\'t have a name for it but there was this dilemma that came up after World War 2.

Germans had been experimenting (and in the process, torturing) Jews in order to obtain findings about human limitations. They would drown and freeze people to see how long an average person could survive in harsh climates and such. When the war was over, there were all these findings and documents that could help medical science greatly but the problem was that the means that were used to accumulate said data was horrific and many people were against using it since it was like they were promoting the mutilation of millions of Jews. I don\'t remember if they used the information they found or not but it\'s a similar situation with stem cells. Should the stem cells from dead fetuses be used in research?

I want to say that it\'s obvious that we shouldn\'t be wasting resources for sentimental reasons but sometimes it\'s not that simple for some people, especially for the parents of the deceased child. :(


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Leaving the Christian theory of cloning behind... (A creature not created by God has no soul and is evil) *mumbles \"blow me\"*


That\'s an interesting one. Where does it say that anyway?

Two points just from my point of view:

1. All creatures are created by God, even if he uses a human to make it, right?

2. If something has no soul, there\'s no way it can be evil or good. It\'s just... there.

So, with this whole thing, it really all depends on how humans treat it. An animal cloned is still an animal, just born differently so it isn\'t a bad thing of itself. But if humans abuse this ability, which is extremely likely, then I don\'t want us to use it like that.

[Edited on 8-3-2004 by MaceMan]


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Cloning has good benifits and bad benifits.
1. If you wanna make an exact clone of your self, then dont make a clone. They will look the same but sence they are independent, then they will have a personality of there own.
2. It may be good for labor and army people things, but thats still sorta wrong because they may not want to.


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Yes, they should use stem cells for scientific purposes. They should keep abortion clinics open, and whenever they get some dead babies, ship em over to the research lab. That\'s my opinion anyways.

But if they can eventually clone stem cells, then they wouldn\'t have to wait for dead babies, and that might be better. I don\'t really care about cloning people and animals (but the cloning animals thing doesn\'t sound all bad, could possibly clone near-extinct species back into existance or something).

A clone of myself would be very strange..

ED: And well, Pocket, if you just go to naturalists sites that give negative points... You\'re only getting one side of the story, and that\'s not exactly going to make a good report now is it? \"Cloning is bad, the end\" wouldn\'t fly in my school, anyway. :lol:

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Ah, cloning, the argument of our time. I say that there is very little good to cloning an entire organism. Cloning arms, legs, cells, etc. to replace lost ones is and entitely different matter, if specific limbs can be cloned independently. Otherwise, terrorists could clone themselves to confuse their enemies, and thus escape harm.


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I used to be a hardcore Christian Macey. The weirdo preist we had got off on a rant about it. HE said \"Anything without a soul can be controlled by the devil\"

I think it would be cool myself. I mean, then I could jam a holy water ice cicle down it\'s throat.

Where was I going with this?


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Cloning can be good... and bad.

A bad side effect about getting grown organs is that they are like transplants. Cells are the programing code in humans. If the cells has a history (parent, grandparent, etc) of a certain illness, disability, or something, those cells are just going to grow with that whatever it is. Don\'t understand? Let\'s see... My grandfather had heart ...trouble, and his father had it, and his father has it, and so-on, it is generic and I may have heart trouble when I get older. What\'s the point of this? Well, I\'m saying that you can\'t just pick anyone to make anything. Make sure you got cells from a healthy organ with no history.

The benefit of cloning is life or longer life. The man who got his arm mutilated in a machine can get a new arm instead of a plastic or, the most expensive, a robotic arm. The child with kidney cancer can get surgery and get healthy ones, without wasting most of their youth on going back and forth to the hospital for therapy.

Which weighs more? ...It\'s your report. I told you all I know.

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I say that cloning should be none in very small measures. We should never go to deep into tinkering with cloning. The further we go, the closer we come to the discovery of cloning a human being, a danger which must never be realized. Sure, we\'d all like to think we could just stop with a replacement arm, leg, liver, or spleen, but it won\'t happen that way. Temptation will eventually win, and we will clone an embryo, then eventually, clone an entire human organism. People will lose their entire identity. People will be able to be found who have the same thumbprint as you. No one will be truly unique, because nothing will be one-of-a-kind. Even if you choose not to be cloned, because there will always be the possibility of you being cloned, your individuality will no longer be sacred. Clones would face discrimination because they are just copies. And in truth, they are. Although we would be smug with the fact that perhaps we no longer needed God, it would never be true, because he provided us the materials and, well, life to create these clones and machines. In fact, it is hard to determine if clones would have souls. Personally, I believe they would not, because they are artificial beings made by man. They would be no different then robots, machines, or toilets. just made by us for our convenience.

No, cloning is not to be excersized or examined. We should utilize it carefully, and stay away from the cloning of embryos.


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Human cloning deals with bioethics. Human cloning can have a large number of positive effects, but these benefits have an equal negative side. For example, they were one able to clone replacement organs for a cow; however, they had to allow a baby clone be raise for six months, while it was in the mother womb. Now the question is \"was it right to kill the baby cow to get replacement organs?\" This is one of the major problems of human cloning. When do we as a world decide when it has life? Some people would say when it first started to develop, other would say never. Who are we to say when life begins?

If you ever wonder why we started to research cloning, the reason lies with stem cells. The young stem cell can become nearly any cell in the human body. With stems cell we can repair nerves or organs. But the stem cell can only be harvest after the embryos develop for a while. Who are we to steal their chances at a normal life? The clones can survive and it can live a normal life. The cloning cells may have problems and have defects within the cells. There have been experiments where the cloning had defects. Also companies like Tristem are trying to develop an altermative way. Tristem recently said the have achieve retro differentiation. If so cloning may not be need because retro differentiation changes blood cell back into stem cells. Also Breakman if he should ever develop heart disease the stem cell could technically stop it.

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I think it is possible, but we have too many humans in this world. Anymore we will explode.


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I don\'t see the point in cloning. I mean, all we ever use it on is sheep. Why sheep?! The last I checked we weren\'t running out.


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I wouldent be so sure about the sheep. Have you heard about KFC i mean thats nasty:sick:


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