Well, having not completed Aile's story yet, this pertains to either Vent or both of them.

So, you beat the game, and:

That's only in Vent's storyline. I've already shown what happens in Aile's. But yes, it's right. Human history = Endless cycle of war, peace, and revolution.

Like in Zero, they're trying to blur the lines between what is 'good' and what is 'bad.'

Blur's good. Makes you think.

My friend who goes by Mokujin would so agree with this-he's very heavy on the whole "emotions are the problem with humanity" theory. Of course, the man uses ellipses all the time in chat so I'm not sure how seriously you can take him.

If everything on this world was clear to everyone it would be boring..

Yea I could'nt even go to sleep thinkin about what Serpent said 'cause it sounds so true.People really are like that,we really are the true Mavericks....>.>

No we're not. Capitalist lies, that's all.

Wow, this IS great fodder for Kingdom Hearts.

Edited by The Helldragon on October 9, 2006 at 19:05:28.

See Break? Your example with X was what Serpent's ideals followed. I'm not saying Serpent's actions were right - but some of what he says has a point to it. We care too much sometimes. We aren't willing to lose something we love to do the right thing always. Anyone here see Spider-Man 2?

"The real heroes are those who will give up anything to do what is right, event heir wildest dreams."

Bang. That's what X did. And look, he did right. It's what Vent/Aile did. He overcame the losses of his/her mom and Giro and fought to change things for the better - through the pain.

I'm not saying that none of us follow this - I'm saying that Serpent is right in the respect that many people don't do what's right just for that reason - pain. We're all good people, and I'm not being pessimistic. This isn't abuse - it's motivation for us to continue doing good and for many to try harder. Serpent twisted it and got lost in the meaning - he ended up dead.

As for the heart, it doesn't mean that the heart IS darkness, it just notes at our ways of rationalizing with ourselves. We all do it. We'll want something, and we'll twist truth in our minds to make it sond right. We all do it, and it's not bad, it's natural. But it doesn't mean it's good either.

Just ponder this, and someone answer my other question:

Who writes tis stuff!?

So what do you call Copy X and the Four Guardians? Sure, they offed a lot of innocent Reploids, but they believed that by doing it, they were preventing the deaths of humans, which was one of the main goals of the Maverick Hunters. They weren't "out for destruction."

First of all, I wouldn't call the guardians Mavericks. Secondly... Copy X was very touched in the head.

I'll agree with you there, but he still thought he was doing the right thing.

Copy X MkII, however... yeah, he was a looney Maverick.

Exactly. And Reploids could still live there. It was just that if they f'ed up in the slightest, they were screwed.

Besides, apparently Weil made Copy X look like a veritable saint.

Even Mk I is a little touched in the cranium, remember he thought he was the real X.

No, he stated he was a "Perfect copy of the original X." And that he was a better hero than Original X, because he accomplished in "protecting" the humans, whereas Original X and Zero couldn't.

Yes, touched in the head, but not as badly as MkII.

I fail to see that how you defined Maverick perfectly fits Serpent. He did think he was doing the right thing - a twisted, messed thing - but nonetheless a right thing in his mind. He was like Copy X - out to get his ideals, which weren't all wrong, but I'll get on that later, by whatever means possible.

All he wanted was an "evolved world." Remember he said that "by joining us, the weak are saved. That is the glory of Project Haven!" He DID want to save people - just not to let them come out on top. At all. If it meant absorbing them for his own gain, so be it. Evolution. The adapted live, the weak die. Fine. But what he missed was that humans weren't weak. It wasn't the time for the normal human race to leave their high tier in the world. That's where things got screwy, as he had to kill them to get them to fall.

By his ideals not being all wrong, look at it in a different light. The strong survive and the weak fall away. So? Don't take it literally like he did. I say the strong OF HEART survive on top, and the weak OF HEART fade away. Vent/Aile were able to overcomme their losses, showing great strength of heart, and Serpent gave in to Model W, showing excessive weakness of heart - he wound up dead.

But whatever.

I hate you, Socrates!

Regardless of his exact words, I think it's fair to say that both MkI and MkII were suffering from a form of psychosis, though it became much more pronounced in MkII.

Oh yeah. That's definitely true.

Nah, they made him drink hemlock instead.

Also cut from the NA version.

But if it all came down to programming, then Light was lying about X having free will. And he was essentially lying to himself, not expecting anyone to see the schematics.

Unless of course, you were talking strictly about Copy X, which I can't tell. Still, one would think he would have free will also, wanting to emulate X in every possible way.

Why does everyone call him Omega X? Besides being rebuilt by Wiel, he has no real connection to Omega.