Apparently this topic is being widely spread through out the country, and it's even beinig broadcasted on television. I'm surprised no ones made a topic about it yet. Anyways, I don't like the looks of things right now. Seeing as how the prices are going up, and that the stock market is having bigger and bigger dificulties each day. If this keeps up, America and the countries we're involved with will be forced into another "Great Depression".
What I'm about to say may sound a bit childish or stupid, but here goes nothing. If we're suppose to learn from the past mistakes by learning about them, then why can't people learn from what happened last time a depression happened? It all had to do with money, people got greedy, they asked for more. Another thing was that many people from America didn't perchase American products, when I say "American Products" I mean items manufactured in the U.S. They didn't buy them because their products are always so pricey, so it isn't the common people's fault we aren't buying them. It's because of their greed, we can't afford this kind of thing ALL THE TIME. Since we didn't buy those items, it didn't support the U.S., in return the U.S. is losing money. This happens every day, everywhere you turn you see American made products being bypassed because the person saw a similar pair of jeans that were half the price. Many, MANY companies are being shut down in the United States, and many have already been. They do this because they get greedy and want more money, so they hire foreign people accross the world to work for them. Where as you can pay them 2$ an hour instead of paying an American citizen 7$ an hour. that's just an example of what I'm getting at...those payments aren't really accurate. You see if people don't start doing something about this we WILL fall into another "Depression" and it will hurt all of us. Soon careers with high pay won't matter any more because the price of bread will be rediculous and your pay will be lowered. This kind of thing sickens me...I may be speaking futily about this since just 1 person out of billions can't make a difference....but I just wanted to speak about it for the sake of discussion

The useless war is also helping things to suck more.

The main reason we're in a recession right now is because of skyrocketing gas prices. Its getting dangerously close to 4 bucks a gallon here on the west coast, which has never happened before, from what I hear. The second reason for the recession is because we've outsourced everything. The US, it seems, can't make a damn thing on its own anymore. All we're good for these days is the production of weaponry, and even that's not helping anymore.

I heard from my history teacher that instead of barrels of gas being sold to gas stations for $120 it will practically go over $200 by December of this year. It's been said that not too soon after that gas prices will reach about $8 a gallon....god save us all. For cryin out loud, I remember the prices being as low as $2.35 a gallon. What a bunch of cheapskates. It's because the people in the government get into arguments with other countries and then they don't want to sell oil to us. That's not their fault, that's the damned governments fault. Then of course this whole war in Iraq thing....I hate to say it but they aren't fighting for a good cause anymore. They did in the beginning but the only reason they're even fighting them still is because the government wants oil at all costs. I hate everything to do with the government. I bet that the reason that the terrorists from Iraq or Afghanistan came and destroyed the twin towers was that (not that this makes it right) the government got in a big argument with them and pissed em off. You see, the OLD people of the world who work in the government start the wars, and we as younger people have to FIGHT them. we the youth are nothing but pawns for war in the never ending game of chess. No matter where you go in this country, if war breaks out and they want more people to fight....they'll sacrifice you before even thinking about your feelings. You practically don't get a say in it, once you sign up for the draft, you've got yourself a leash around your neck. A dog, a pawn, a "useful" yet "worthless" tool.

All's I know is that if there's a draft, I'm grabbing a hockey stick and some bacon and heading to Canada, eh!

Same. PArents are already planning for a Great Depression 2.0 and stocking up on instant food and stuffs.

Hmm but there's one thing that's bothering me, if this were to happen, would there even BE any public transportation?

My family has been stocking up on old coins and silver and stuff like that, just to have a little backup that isn't as influenced by currency fluctuations like the dollar.

Not that it solves everything, but it's nice having a little bit to fall back on if it gets really rough.

Mostly, I'm upset about how people are trying to handle the problems. The government just keeps borrowing and printing more money. Which makes our money worth less and less. Don't you have to at least open a history book to get into politics?

Wow...so to solve THEIR problems they just create it? That's cheap...and while they do that we suffer for no apparent reason! Man...I just wanna hit one of them.

I'm surprised a draft is legal. It's one thing for people to volunteer to go overseas and die for a reason their government is yet to give truthfully, but to force them to do so is just plain wrong. I doubt the Government would, though, the Republicans wouldn't stand a chance of being elected again if they did...

House and Senate are the ones who approve that though, and the majority control in both is actually the democrats now. I am a republican, but by no means do I like where Bush is and how he is inept at everything these days. This is why I back McCain, he's not 100% conservative, but he has shown he can get things accomplished. Obama hasn't proven he can do anything other than talk, and it'd be shooting myself in the foot as a gamer if I backed Hilary; so by that logic, McCain is the only reasonable choice. McCain wants out of Iraw too, and it will happen, not quite as fast as the other plans, but it will happen. Then there's no war to fight (unless Iran starts to look more menacing) making the draft idea moot. With no need to send war supplies, the economy can get back on track and we can avoid this whole thing.

Yeah, that was a fairly long and ADD post, but i'm leaving it there.

Eh... actually... I'm fairly certain McCain has publicly stated that he plans to stay in Iraq. For quite a long time, if I recall correctly. Maybe he's changed that stance recently, but I'm not sure I can support a flipflopper either. Plus I don't trust his abilities to work with the economy at all. (He tended to avoid economic questions in debates I've seen)

But my main problem is that I don't support any Democrat at all, either.

I was really hoping that Ron Paul would have more of a chance in the race. I may end up continuing to support him, even if things continue to go poorly for his campaign. (Heck... most people still think he dropped out of the race. Stupid media...)

I'm not trying to get real dramatic about this, but I had just realized something that really disturbs me....greatly. As I continue to look deeper and deeper into this a certain pattern becomes visible. When that pattern becomes clear then a bone chilling theory becomes apparent. I had been watching one of my favorite shows for a while on DVD alright? Well, apparently the main plot here is that the person in charge of the military is actually the bad guy. He sends people into wars for no reason. I also hear one of the characters say "In order gain something you inevitably have to take it from someone else, at least that's what any honest adult knows" Another character states "You gotta spend life to make life, don't kid yourself into thinking there is any way around that cuz there's not". I read into these statements even more and realize the erie similarity between that plot and the USA's government's actions. I wonder...is it really true? Are those statements true?

lol the recesion isn't all about American greed, watch the last section of Zeitgeist and that'll explain why we're suffering money-wise.

We are not in a recession because of gas prices; the prices on everything else started to go way up long before gas went over $3.

War in Iraq... first of all Iraq was THE WRONG COUNTRY. Not really common knowledge; I found out like 2 months ago, but people in government should know. (Except, that they do know, if you've studied you know about the meetings with Bush and whatnot.) But in addition to that, we still have troops in places like Cuba from 30 years ago.

A history book, MaceMan, you seem about the most intelligent person here about this topic, yet have you ever really looked in a history book? The problem with the portion of government that isn't actually against us is that they HAVE been taught by such history books... I'd try looking at actual documents and legislative notes instead. Many are publicly available and were before the internet as well. Even those that are 'shady'. After all they do TRY to fool us into thinking they are following the constitution. That's why the I.R.S. has all the notes about everything being "voluntary", and why you can beat it. If they wanted to really they could have just gone full-out unconstitutional and omitted the technicalities that make it possible to act on the illegality of the organization using the U.S. legal system.

BD, and anyone else who thinks they like him, Read this before you vote for McCain. It's one of only too many examples of why even those who don't study too much rate him at the absolute bottom. I haven't really investigated the other candidates *that* much because Ron Paul has always been the obvious choice (but now he's made that one stupid move of publicly announcing his putting resources in other places... WHY did he have to annouce it, he had a real chance but now most of those people won't vote for him because they think it's not "okay" to, he should at least register damn), Hillary's obviously completely fake and McCain is uh yeah, but I don't see what's wrong with Obama if you aren't looking at the corruption and the fact he isn't "new;". Although he really sounds like an idiot racist talking about black people all the time and stating that all black people and only black people are poor, basically, but racism doesn't nessecerily make you a bad president unless you're bad enough to make race-related laws, which I doubt he is.

Uh, Zach... that thing I linked you to, watch the whole thing, at zeitgeistmovie.com. Notice the note about Google videos at the bottom, you may have to refresh a few times.



Edited by God on July 24, 2008 at 13:42:31.

Edited by God on November 11, 2008 at 4:46:29.

Well I knew that but the reason why I was pushing the gas thing was because it adds up. It adds up to be quite alot. OH! This reminds me, what's going on to make the gas prices go so low!? I'm happy but extremely curious, for the longest time gas prices have been almost 4 bucks a gallon. They are now below $2 a gallon....its like $1.95-$1.85 depending on where you go for gas.

Oh....so that's why it seems like things are getting a bit better.....really that's not the case, something below the surface is changing while no one knows about it. Things on the surface seem about the same as it's been for a while. Am I right to say that we'd best be prepared for what's to come in the near future?

Dude, you live in INDIANA... apartments there are $300 a month! Gas prices (in general, in the U.S.) haven't been $1.XX-anything since like the 60's or something. Here in Chicago-area, they are still over or almost $4/gal. And the gas station owners actually aren't making a profit off gasoline, they're selling iut as low as possible. Or were about 3 months ago.

False, according to the energy department, on September 1, 2003, the average gas price per gallon in the U.S. was $1.75. And it was even lower before that. So there.

I bet it was 1c/gal. in Texas or something, creating for biased averages :P.

No, seriously. LESS THEN TWO DOLLARS?! One would think you insane...

No, around that time it was about $1.76 in Texas actually. It's not truly biased. Hell, in ILLINOIS in 2003 it averaged $1.56. If the national average was under two dollars, then my point's made as it means multiple states would have to have been under, proving me right here. Try fact checking before you open your mouth. And while i'm at it, it's under $2 right now here in Cleveland ($1.91), I just filled up my car today for $20 and it felt good.

Ah, screw gas. I don't need that Scheiss where I live. Anyway, we've taken our share of the economic recession where I live, especially with the "unwanted appreciation" of our currency against all other foreign ones. The hell with imports when we need to make profit out of stuff we make. Only thing I can enjoy is going abroad much cheaper than a few months ago.

Currently the prices seem to be fluctuating around $1.88 and $1.80. Still, this is better than what it was before Nov. last year.

I think that Obama doesn't deserve to be praised or anything. I saw on TV that people were actually crying because hes won the election and that they were singing his praises and shouting his name. My big question is why they had to be like that when he hasn't done anything yet but talk on a platform and give a speech :/. The saying "You can't judge a book by its cover" also counts for thinking positively about that person too, I guess people forget.

I wonder if he will make any kind of change at all.