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Posted on November 29, 2008 at 15:46:19 [Post link]
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By STEPHANIE ROSENBLOOM - The New York Times
In a sign of consumer desperation amid a bleak economy, the annual rite of retailing known as Black Friday turned chaotic and deadly, as shoppers scrambled for holiday bargains.


A Wal-Mart worker on Long Island, N.Y., died after being trampled by customers who broke through the doors early Friday, and other workers were trampled as they tried to rescue the man. At least four other people, including a woman who was eight months pregnant, were taken to hospitals.

Fights and injuries occurred elsewhere at other stores operated by Wal-Mart, the nation's leading discount chain, which is one of the few retailers thriving in the current economy.

Meanwhile, two men at a crowded Toys "R" Us in Palm Desert, Calif., pulled guns and shot each other to death after women with them brawled, witnesses said. The company released a statement late Friday saying the deaths were related to a personal dispute and not Black Friday shopping.

Many other retailers appeared to have fewer customers than usual the day after Thanksgiving, typically one of the busiest shopping days of the year. Merchants call it Black Friday because in the past, it was when many retailers went into the black, or turned profitable, for the year.

It was mainly only discount chains that were bustling long before sunrise. People showed up for a small number of limited-time "door-buster" deals, such as 32-inch flat-screen televisions for $388 and Intel laptops for $499. In many cases, after an initial onslaught, crowds dwindled after the few sought-after items had sold out.

While tussles and even broken bones are common when the doors open on Black Friday, this is apparently the first time someone was killed in the stampede. For some consumer psychologists, the mad scramble was a sign of the times.

"I think it ties into a sort of fear and panic of not having enough," said Joe Priester, a professor at the Marshall School of Business at the University of Southern California and a former president of the Society for Consumer Psychology. A herd mentality, he said, can lead individuals to feel anonymous, so much so that they are capable of trampling someone. "Fear combined with the group mentality?" he said. "It doesn't surprise me at all."

Actions "irrational"

Walter Loeb, president of Loeb Associates, a retail consultancy, said there was shopping mania at Wal-Mart every year. But this year, he said, it seems "people are becoming irrational in their actions."

That seemed the case early Friday at the Green Acres Mall in Valley Stream, on Long Island, where the Nassau County police had to be called in for crowd control about 3 a.m., and an officer with a bullhorn pleaded for order.

Tension grew as the 5 a.m. opening neared. By 4:55, with no police officers in sight, the crowd of more than 2,000 had become a rabble, and could be held back no longer. Fists banged and shoulders pressed on the sliding-glass double doors, which bowed in with the weight of the assault.



Witnesses and the police said the doors shattered, and the shrieking mob surged through in a rush for holiday bargains. One worker, Jdimytai Damour, 34, of Queens, was thrown back onto the black linoleum tiles and trampled in the stampede that streamed over and around him.

Some workers fought their way through the surge to get to Damour, but he had been fatally injured, police said. Damour, a temporary worker hired for the holiday season, was pronounced dead an hour later at Franklin Hospital Medical Center in Valley Stream.

Four other people, including a 28-year-old woman described as eight months pregnant, were treated at the hospital for minor injuries.

Detective Lt. Michael Fleming, who is in charge of the investigation for the Nassau County police, called the scene "utter chaos" and said the "crowd was out of control." As for those who had run over the victim, criminal charges were possible, the lieutenant said. "I've heard other people call this an accident, but it is not," he said. "Certainly it was a foreseeable act."

But even with videos from the store's surveillance cameras and the accounts of witnesses, Fleming and other officials acknowledged that it would be difficult to identify those responsible, let alone to prove culpability.

Some shoppers who had seen the stampede said they were shocked. One, Kimberly Cribbs of Queens, said the crowd had acted like "savages." Shoppers' behavior was bad even as the store was being cleared, she recalled.

"When they were saying they had to leave, that an employee got killed, people were yelling, 'I've been on line since yesterday morning,' " Cribbs said. "They kept shopping."

Outbreaks weren't restricted to New York. At a Wal-Mart in Columbus, Ohio, Nikki Nicely, 19, jumped onto a man's back and pounded his shoulders when he tried to take a 40-inch Samsung flat-screen TV to which she had laid claim. "That's my TV!" Nicely, 19, shouted. "That's my TV!"

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A police officer and security guard intervened, but not before Nicely took an elbow in the face. In the end, she was the one with the $798 television, marked down from $1,000. "That's right," she cried as her adversary walked away. "This here is my TV!"

Charisma Booker, also on the hunt for a TV, said she had been shopping at Wal-Mart every Black Friday for nearly a decade. "There are fewer people here this year, but they're more aggressive," she said. "I've never seen anybody fight like this. This is crazy."

At a Wal-Mart in Niles, Ill., a mother fought back tears when she discovered someone had taken her cart filled with toys.

Many retailers opened earlier this year and offered the biggest discounts in their history.

Certainly Wal-Mart was not the only retailer with aggressive Black Friday shoppers. But before Best Buy opened at 5 a.m., shoppers lined up to receive tickets for merchandise they intended to buy, reducing the need to elbow one another to pick up electronic devices.

Chuck O'Donnell, district-services manager for Best Buy stores in New Jersey, said the lines "went all the way around the building, just like in years past."

Critics of Wal-Mart said the retailer had been negligent about security.

"They have problems with crowds every year, and inevitability, people get hurt," said David Nassar of Wal-Mart Watch, a union-financed group. "They should expect to plan properly for this kind of a problem and have adequate security in place, and they don't."

Wal-Mart officials said the safety of customers and workers was their "top priority" and the company's "thoughts and prayers go out to the families of those impacted."




My Comments I saw this report on Black Friday when I was working community service at a nursing home. When I heard someone was trampled to death because some people wanted to get a few bargains, I got so mad.

To think people would do such a thing is insane. I know Black Friday is chaotic. My mother shopped on Black Friday years ago and I am grateful that she didn't get hurt. She actually waited in line and when Wal Mart opened, people from their cars rushed the people in line and ran in before them. Seriously, where is the common curtousy?

I also think it's funny that people actually go out and shop on this day. My mother took advantage of it this year and shopped on the website, which also had the SAME PRICES AS IN THE STORE.

The one line that actually made me the angriest was "When they were saying they had to leave, that an employee got killed, people were yelling, 'I've been on line since yesterday morning,' " Cribbs said. "They kept shopping."

Seriously? How awful. If I was in charge of Wal Mart I would have stopped all sales and called the police.


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Forgot the website.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008448574_shop290.html


Edited by Sakura on November 29, 2008 at 10:47:26.



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Posted on November 29, 2008 at 18:26:11 [Post link]
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Yeah, this is why I use Amazon to Christmas shop. My condolences to the guy's family.


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Posted on November 29, 2008 at 19:17:48 [Post link]
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DreamSword showed me a different article about the same thing. Its just... ugh.


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Posted on November 29, 2008 at 23:27:09 [Post link]
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I hope every one of these dipshits has a horrible holiday. It's only fair considering what they've done.

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Posted on November 30, 2008 at 3:31:34 [Post link]
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I hope every one of these dipshits has a horrible holiday. It's only fair considering what they've done.


I'm with you for this one.

We in Canada have a similar shopping day, which is called "Boxing Day". Taking place on December 26 (the day after Christmas), people go barging-hunting, often on electronics. It never gets as crazy as the stories I hear about Black Friday year after year, though. Also, I know I've heard about someone being trampled to death a few years ago: it was at a Wal-Mart too, where a special sale involved DVD readers being sold at 29$ only (this being when those devices usually cost around 80-100$).

In any case, this illustrates why I don't go shopping on Boxing Day: I hate people who can't even behave to save, what, 25~30% on most items. This isn't something to grant you eternal live, it's a bargain on something usually available all-year round!


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Posted on November 30, 2008 at 3:37:43 [Post link]
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Most of the gifts I want this year I can buy online, used and in good condition, for far cheaper and with a less chance of die. Seriously, people. Human life > PS3/Blue-Ray player/whatever. If you even have to question that, you need to rethink your values.

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Posted on November 30, 2008 at 18:36:32 [Post link]
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You know I dont think we even need to read something on people dieing on Black friday. Personaly I think we all know somewhere theres a dipshit who is so hyped that they don't think and rush into a store disregarding people in all respects. To think someone whould disregard someones life for a Xbox 360 half off with three free games.
I do hope the familys of the ones who died have the best holidays they can,and for those who ignored those people being ran over I hope you enjoy the things you got becouse it cost more then it was worth.


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Posted on November 30, 2008 at 20:03:14 [Post link]
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I remember reading this on Friday. There was another article about a shooting at a Toy R Us (they concluded that it wasn't about Black Friday, though) on the very same day.

Man. And people ask me why I don't go outside that often. At least, not on these sort of days.


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Posted on November 30, 2008 at 21:18:40 [Post link]
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My mother was terrified after her Black Friday experience to go shopping that day ever again. She does get me some stuff off Amazon but I found oodles of goodies this year on Ebay, so hey I ain't complaining. Super cheap and convenient.

And what I wonder is, I'm pretty sure those people know who they were who trampled him (obviously a human is squishier than a tile floor), is that if they even care about what they did?

Best Buy was smart enough to hand out tickets of merchandise so there would be less quarrels.

And I wish his family a good year, I hope they can cope with their loss.

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We in Canada have a similar shopping day, which is called "Boxing Day". Taking place on December 26 (the day after Christmas), people go barging-hunting, often on electronics.


I think we also may have a day similar to this (not sure but people do go bargain hunting this day since there are usually many sales).

EDIT: I saw a report on Youtube and a pregnant woman was knocked to the ground, trampled, and had a miscarriage. I don't know if it was the worker or a shopper.

So it wasn't one death, it was two.
How terrible.

Edited by Sakura on November 30, 2008 at 16:30:58.



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Another report said that the woman and her baby were fine... so I don't know what to believe for that.


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I herd from two diffrent places that she gave birth the other she didnt. So I dont know but I hope she did have the baby.


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Posted on December 3, 2008 at 20:37:33 [Post link]
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Even if that baby did survive, does that make the actions of the stampeding hordes any better? I mean damn. Reading this makes me think that people are just a bunch of gnoes on such days -- just running around as a mindless horde with no care for anything but yourself (and perhaps not even that much, as the care may be solely aimed at getting discounts).

Thank sanity December 7th isn't that bad for us.


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Posted on December 3, 2008 at 22:04:53 [Post link]
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This is utterly upsetting. How do you NOT know you're trampling someone? I can't imagine what this must be like for the worker's family, namely at this time of the year.

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I hope every one of these dipshits has a horrible holiday. It's only fair considering what they've done.


Me too. What surprises me though, the worker that died, Jdimytai Damour, he was sent to open the doors. And here I thought every Wal-Mart had automatic doors. I'm not blaming the store though. That doesn't change the fact that a human was trampled to death by a bunch of people.

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We in Canada have a similar shopping day, which is called "Boxing Day". Taking place on December 26 (the day after Christmas), people go barging-hunting, often on electronics.


I was thinking of going to BestBuy when they open up on Boxing Day. After hearing about this incident though, makes you wonder why or if it's even worth it.

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I remember reading about this Black Friday mess ( it's strange how fast this kind of news find their way to the Finnish media, but maybe it's the same thing on everywhere else too ) and thought that it's really outrageous how people go haywire of the discounts. I must say that there haven't been any common sense when people trample the worker to death or when two men shoots each other just because they've got some arguing in the toystore. And even the miscarriage for that pregnant woman too. Just... awful.

Somehow I feel a little bit of relieved of having a normal weekday instead of Black Friday here in our backwoods...

 

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