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I read this little tibet regarding Mega Man's exclusion in MvC3. This is an interview with Ryota Niitsuma, the game's producer:

"I assume you’re talking about the original Mega Man. There was a Mega Man slot for this game – we had room for a character from that series. But when it came to the propriety of that character being in a fighting game, Mega Man has some problems.

If we were to adapt the original Mega Man character into a fighting game he would have to have a lot more extra moves and abilities, and that would then create a different Mega Man entirely. You couldn’t retain his original character as he is. So we looked into other Mega Mans, and decided that Zero had the best list of moves already in existence when it comes to fitting into a fighting game."


I for one think this is utter bullshit. I mean, he says Mega Man isn't the hand-to-hand fighting type. Then why is Arthur in the game? All he does is throw lances and get stripped of his armor. How do you justify that?

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I for one think this is utter bullshit. I mean, he says Mega Man isn't the hand-to-hand fighting type. Then why is Arthur in the game? All he does is throw lances and get stripped of his armor. How do you justify that?


You don't. This is the same as for Mega Man Universe: there's no logical reason to explain Arthur's inclusion in the game outside of a random throwaway to the fans. Maybe Arthur himself is selected as the token medieval character...


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I'm more concerned with the fact that Frank West's shadow was shown in the initial trailer and he has yet to make an appearance. Opting to remove a character like Mega Man from the start is one thing, but if they end up scrapping a character after already showing him off, that's another thing altogether.

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This is the same as for Mega Man Universe:there's no logical reason to explain Arthur's inclusion in the game


Except that Arthur is from a 2D side scroller, and should fit in with a crossover game that's built around 2D side scrolling quite easily. But to say that Mega Man shouldn't be in a fighting game because "he's not an ideal fighter", then include someone like Arthur, and try to pass him off like he'll be some innovative character is plain hypocritical.

And if fandom is what motivates this game, then allow me to pull this out:

http://shoryuken.com/content/japan-s-top-55-most-requests-marvel-vs-capcom-3-dlc-characters-2594/

Sure, it's X, but an incarnation of Mega Man no less.

If Nintendo can turn Princess Peach into a Smash Bros. character, I think Capcom can alter Mega Man to be a fighter, included in Marvel Vs Capcom 3 (considering he's already been in the previous 2 games)

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Here's a follow up by the same producer, regarding the possibility of Mega Man being added through future DLC:

"It is almost certain that he is not going to be DLC. Mega Man is a character difficult to adapt to MvC because you only have Megabuster as a weapon and a good character for this fighting game needs more variety. That is the main reason that we chose Zero; apart from the Megabuster, he also carries a sword.

Everything we've announced is that there will be DLC with new characters, but we have not yet decided which and how many will be there, but then we didn't say they're "definitely a no" but "not currently, and it is very unlikely."


*facepalm*

I think this guy doesn't have a clue about how versatile the Mega Buster is suppose to be.

I mean no offense to this guy, but considering MvC is a franchise born out out shear fan service, I think what the fans think is a little more important then what this one guy thinks. Of course, maybe this guy is speaking on behalf of several developers, but regardless. You can't deny the apparent desire for Mega Man to be in this game; a game that revolves around fan service.

I mean, where exactly is the line between this being a fan game, and when Capcom makes all of the choices?

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"It is almost certain that he is not going to be DLC. Mega Man is a character difficult to adapt to MvC because you only have Megabuster as a weapon and a good character for this fighting game needs more variety."


Seriously? C'mon, how many Master Weapons has Mega Man been shown to handle? Over 80! And the very first Marvel vs Capcom had Mega Man using some alternate weapons, like the Tornado Hold. That's one thin line of reasoning from Mr. Producer.

Edited by Dr. Cossack on January 25, 2011 at 19:05:09


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I'm disappointed by their decision not to include Megaman as well, but eh, what can you do? They just don't want to put him in MvsC3. At least at this point.

If Capcom thinks it'll make them more money they'll likely add him (or another version like X) eventually. Capcom likes money.


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Didn't Ryota Niitsuma take at least a glimpse at the first two MvC games? :huh:


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"I assume you’re talking about the original Mega Man. There was a Mega Man slot for this game – we had room for a character from that series. But when it came to the propriety of that character being in a fighting game, Mega Man has some problems.

If we were to adapt the original Mega Man character into a fighting game he would have to have a lot more extra moves and abilities, and that would then create a different Mega Man entirely. You couldn’t retain his original character as he is. So we looked into other Mega Mans, and decided that Zero had the best list of moves already in existence when it comes to fitting into a fighting game."


Translation: "Look, we already made a model for Zero from Tatsunoko VS. Capcom and we don't want to make another if we can help it."

At least be honest that you're full of shit, Niitsuma. Don't gotta lie about it.

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I shall sign...


Just as soon as I get onto an actual computer. Anyway, if thats his excuse, then LOOK AT THE BN MEGAMAN. SWORDS, AXES,PICKS,STAFFS,FIREBALLS,SHIELDS,FLAMETHROWERS! And he "ONLY USES MEGABUSTER!?" IN BN, MEGABUSTER IS BS. 「/fanrageX50/|」

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Uhm, not to be a letdown or anything, but it's a game? And they already have Zero in it, and he's from the Megaman series, so isn't that good enough..? I just don't see the hype in not having Mega Man in it. Although this is coming from someone who's never played a MvC game. I'm just putting this is a view of someone new to the series. I'd just think they'd like the game for what it is, and not what it doesn't have.
Can't have everything in a game. Developers make it as they see fit.

I'm probably going to get flamed for my opinion though. Haha.


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Honestly, I don't care that much if the original Mega Man is in the game or not. What bugs me is the extremely weak explanation we're given for his absence.


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I'm probably going to get flamed for my opinion though. Haha.


This is the one board where flaming just doesnt happen.

Anyway, I put that "fanrage" thing to show that it was semi-pointless raging.

And yes, Dr. It's the excuse for the exclusion. I'll agree with that

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I agree with what you're saying. But by accepting the way things are, we're allowing stupid excuses like the ones Ryota Niitsuma exclaimed to be okay.

Okay, so Ryota Niitsuma isn't like the only game producer in the world.

Still, I say a character with a high enough popular demand should be included in a game that is built around fan service.

The way I see it, Mega Man (or X) could probably rake in a lot of cash if he was released as DLC by himself. How many of us would pay to download him?

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If I was into MvC maybe. But I'm not going out to buy a game just because Megaman is in it, I'd want it to be a GOOD game, not just for Fan service. >_>;


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Still, I say a character with a high enough popular demand should be included in a game that is built around fan service.


Just like Geno! Man, he was an awesome addition to Brawl!

I've never seen a petition work. At all. Even on VALVE, who does nothing BUT listen to fans. If he flat out said NO, it isn't going to happen.



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Just like Geno! Man, he was an awesome addition to Brawl


Geno is a third party character though. That's entirely different for him not being in Brawl than for Mega Man not being in MvC3.

Mega Man is at least Capcom's character.

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This is pretty ridiculous. As it's been said time and time again, MegaMan was in the first 2 MvC games! He was a great character for beginners and advanced players alike. He had a good variety of attacks, including neat weapons from MM8 and his uppercut from MegaMan 2 the Power Fighters. I was really looking forward to seeing a kind of rebooted classic MegaMan, maybe with some new hypers that are more like something he would do in his game. Y'know, maybe like shooting an array of Rolling Cutters followed by a few Atomic Fire blasts.

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Mega Man's been in my MvC team since MvC1. I always enjoyed playing with him and was looking forward to his inclusion in MvC3.

I'm really pissed off that he isn't in while Zero gets a spot...I remember the days when Mega Man was one of Capcom's mascots. What happened?


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Yeah,but as previously said, they probably wee just lazy, and they already had a Zero model from Capcom VS Tatsunoko

I was actually hoping for .exe, though

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I was actually hoping for .exe, though


I wouldn't mind either Classic Mega Man or X.

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And here's the closet we get to having War Machine, Bass, and Punisher...

http://brokenteapot.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=24#/d37fzd6


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And here's the closet we get to having War Machine, Bass, and Punisher...



haha, sad, but true

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:( Yeah, it is. Man! I would LOVE to see Bass in an MvC! :D Especially if he had a hyper to allow him to fuse with Treble. XD

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Yeah,but as previously said, they probably wee just lazy, and they already had a Zero model from Capcom VS Tatsunoko

I was actually hoping for .exe, though


The TvC models are crap compared to the MvC3 ones. They probably didn't reuse them.


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Yes, in speaking of the most requested MvC3 DLC list, it's safe to say that people don't care about Marvel. They just want a Capcom only game!


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