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However, if you go faster than the speed of sound, do we heareverything backwards? No, so why should we see or travel backwards if we exceed the speed of light?


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Time itself is a force that, does everything it can to keep from collapsing on itself. Not physical, thus, we can\'t defy it. Gravity? no Atoms make up Gravity, yet when we lift our limbs, we have defied it. Planes, birds, NASA They defy it all the time

If we went into the past, then in order to prevent a paradox, an alternate universe would be created. your universe would remain the same, but the ahnges would be applied to an alternate future. Which one you would back travel to I\'m not certain.

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I believe that even if you could go back in time, you couldn\'t change anything in the first place. When you go back in time, you travel in TimeGate A backwards, then resume forwards. Assuming you even know how to get back to your own time, you can\'t change anything in that timeline because of what I shall call \"4D net force\".
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If a man walks at a speed of 2 m/h south on a bus going 40 m/h north , he\'s traveling 38 m/h north.
So, while you were moving futiley around in Gate A, Gate A was moving against you in Gate B! TimeGate A had already felt your affects years, decades, centuries, etc. BEFORE you even knew you\'d time traveled!


could you put it in language We can understand since i\'m an idiot.


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yeah sure you can go back and forward in time.... my ass..... its not possible.....i cant go back in time and talk to benjiman franklin....he is dead. if anybody saw the movie paycheck... time trravel if possible would destroy lives and take the fun out of them......but there is that one guy in the news that claims he\'s from the future but imnot believeing it

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[quote]Originally posted by Mega X.exe
Time itself is a force that, does everything it can to keep from collapsing on itself. Not physical, thus, we can\'t defy it. Gravity? no Atoms make up Gravity, yet when we lift our limbs, we have defied it. Planes, birds, NASA They defy it all the time

If we went into the past, then in order to prevent a paradox, an alternate universe would be created. your universe would remain the same, but the ahnges would be applied to an alternate future. Which one you would back travel to I\'m not certain.

[Edited on 1/4/2004 by Mega X.exe] [/quote]


What about this theory?

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My views...
There is one aspect in the possibility of time travel that I believe none of you have yet mentioned, that being black holes.

Time travel is very possible in theory. It is simply the means in which to acheive such a feat that are near, if not, impossible.
However, by manipulating black holes\' gravity, one can in effect, travel years back into the past.

Theoretic steps to building a time machine:

1. Get super ultra powerful rocket.
2. Fly super ultra powerful rocket into space, encounter black hole.
3. Fly super ultra powerful rocket near black hole, lure black hole towards near by planet. Black hole is lured to planet by gravity.
4. Fly super ultra powerful rocket down around black hole, around and around. Each complete cycle adds one \'twist\' to the now \'tunnel like\' hole.
5. Go into black hole. If your super ultra powerful rocket can get through the black hole without being spaghettified, you\'re now in the past. How far you may ask? Well, for every \'twist\' in the black hole, that\'s one year back into the past.

However, I am unsure about going into the future. I came across this theory while doing some research into the matter.

[Edited on 8-1-2004 by Zaleon]


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Personally, I think it\'s possible.

Einstein, I hear, was close to discovering the true theory of time travel. They have books on it all over the place over here. I think his work has something to do with the force of gravity, worm holes, and some other things.

I think it\'s pretty possible to travel to the past, but how can you travel to the future if it hasn\'t even happened yet? Like if there even were dimensions for every instance of time, there couldn\'t really be a dimension for the future since it hasn\'t been made yet. Infact, the future practically doesn\'t exist cause that period of time doesn\'t exist until it happens, and when it does happen it can\'t be called the future because it\'s in the present.

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Personally, I think it\'s possible.

Einstein, I hear, was close to discovering the true theory of time travel. They have books on it all over the place over here. I think his work has something to do with the force of gravity, worm holes, and some other things.

I think it\'s pretty possible to travel to the past, but how can you travel to the future if it hasn\'t even happened yet? Like if there even were dimensions for every instance of time, there couldn\'t really be a dimension for the future since it hasn\'t been made yet. Infact, the future practically doesn\'t exist cause that period of time doesn\'t exist until it happens, and when it does happen it can\'t be called the future because it\'s in the present.


I quite agree with your views. How can you know that the thread is part of a sweater until the weaving is done? (That was a metaphor, for the lot of you...)


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[font=comic sans ms]I honestly don\'t know about time travel anymore, quite frankly. It makes the brain hurt and the blood boil.

I think that even if time travel WAS possible, we shouldn\'t tamper with it. The future is not set, but if we make something catostrophic happen in the future, we will obviously catch up to that event. As for the past, even if we went back, we wouldn\'t be able to change anything, except the destruction of the universe. Say you went back to stop, say, the creation of a major organisation. You kill all the people forming the company in the past, mission succeeded. But since you killed them, the company never was founded, you never knew about it, and therefore the timeline would reset. You\'d keep killing them forever in time, and eventually it would happen so much the timeline would collapse. Not so fun-sounding, ne?

So, basically, we should not tamper with the very fabric of space and time. That would be...unwise...[/font]

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[errors ahead]

I started this topic last year...but you can read it anyway

Is Time Travel Possible?


Anyway...You don\'t defy gravity, you over power it.
[you know who said that...I forgot name]

Annnd....there aren\'t any black holes within our reach at the moment...

and I\'m leaning more to the Einstein Theory.

Annnnd...for those of you too lazy to click on that topic, here\'s my starting post:

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the question that dwells on almost any physics professor, of philosopher\'s mind is \"Is time travel possible?\" Well, why shouldn\'t it be?? We all are in fact time travelers ourselves. We all move forward in time, well, at least we all perceive to be moving forward in time. In fact, when you really think about it, we could all be moving backwards in time...time may not be moving at all. It could be stopped at the very moment that I am writing this...Of course you\'ll say \"that\'s impossible, if time has stopped, how can I be reading this??\" but we are forgetting the fact that maybe time has stopped for someone else. After all, time travel has a lot to do with perception. Setting this aside, one must ask oneself, what rate are we moving in time?? Like I said before, time could be moving in reverse, but at what rate? Well, the truth is that the rate of time is impossible to document, or place into any tangible form. for all we know, we oculd be moving so fast through time that it rivals light speed. One would never know however, because we are limited only to our own perception. When you really think about it...(I do this a lot by the way), time could have already gone by. We all could be dead at this very moment, only our consciences are perceiving it to be very slow. Time could go by in a blur, however, we have no way of knowing. This is one of those things that you really have to think about...anyway, the stereo type of time travel is walking through a portal and finding oneself in some other time, lets just say, maybe a year ago. This could very well be possible. If one could manipulate gravity so much that it would rupture the very fabrics of the space-time continuum, it could be very possible. However, I perceive time travel to be watching time go by, if not forwards, but backwards too. Then you have to work in the rate of moving forward in time at a faster rate than others. This is something I do not think is within our grasp. It probably won\'t be for a long time after we\'re all dead and futuristic philosophers are pouring over this data trying to make sense of it all. It would take serious gravity manipulation...well...I guess I\'m done boring all of you. IM me or email me sometime on thursdays or sundays


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Well, perhaps some misunderstood my latest post. I don\'t belive in time travel, as of now. I see why many people would, but I am still critical of it. And I hold true to my theory that time travel would just lead to pointless re-livings of one\'s life with no change, or worse yet, paradoxes (I\'m still trying to live down those of Bob and George).:eek:


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I think Wolram is right in saying this:

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show how to have event before cause then show memory of every event that has ever happened then try reversing gravity then you may shout your mouth off until then go back to watching your sci fi


However, this does not stop you going back. I believ that if one manages to travel back in time, you would not be able to go back to the future. You\'d have to go the normal way. Through the long slow passing of time as it is. It wouldn\'t be like in Blackadder Back and Forth.:lol:


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to tell you the truth my dad told me that meteors can time travel because they go so fast so i bet if you can go very fast it is possible to time travel. im just curiose but how do you think celebie time travels? with speed, what about amelia earheart?


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to tell you the truth my dad told me that meteors can time travel because they go so fast so i bet if you can go very fast it is possible to time travel. im just curiose but how do you think celebie time travels? with speed, what about amelia earheart?

unfortunately for you, celebi isn\'t real, so we can\'t really tell if you can travel through time with enough speed or not. I\'m not even sure if we even have the technology right now to go fast enough. Besides... wouldn\'t we die from the great amount of g-force going at a highspeed that can send you through time?

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Well, perhaps some misunderstood my latest post. I don\'t belive in time travel, as of now. I see why many people would, but I am still critical of it. And I hold true to my theory that time travel would just lead to pointless re-livings of one\'s life with no change, or worse yet, paradoxes (I\'m still trying to live down those of Bob and George).:eek:



My theory, (as stated before) is that... when such \"Paradoxes\" occur, time splits into alternate timelines, the original doesn\'t change, but the new one does. which one you would return to I dunno

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[quote]Originally posted by Mega X.exe
[quote]Originally posted by Mega X.exe
Time itself is a force that, does everything it can to keep from collapsing on itself. Not physical, thus, we can\'t defy it. Gravity? no Atoms make up Gravity, yet when we lift our limbs, we have defied it. Planes, birds, NASA They defy it all the time

If we went into the past, then in order to prevent a paradox, an alternate universe would be created. your universe would remain the same, but the ahnges would be applied to an alternate future. Which one you would back travel to I\'m not certain.

[Edited on 1/4/2004 by Mega X.exe] [/quote]


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i think this is total mumbo jumbo ..... you guys have been watching too many science fiction movies and playing excessive amounts of majora\'s mask

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Prove us wrong though, why can\'t my theory be correct? It\'s just as correct as your anti- stance.

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::Is it possible?::

Well yes, as the Doc. already said, we can see into the past to a certain extent becuse of the way light travels. Thanks to that fun little man that said E=MC² we know however that you can not travel faster than light. If you COULD than you would possilby be able to slip past the barrier we call time.

Also the \"Time Paradox\" theory throws a monkey into the whole thing. You see if you go back in time and do somthing, than in your \"present\" it would of happened long ago. That means that when you do it, it will of happend twice. However becuse of the nature of time (repeat previous steps) it will of happend an infinite number of times. Since nothing, not even space, is truly infinite there would be no room for an infinite number of things to happen. Thus the sudden increase of gravity would INSTANTLY colapse the universe and all those parallel to it. Going into the future however...


::But will we?::

I doubt it.
:P:rolleyes::P


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My views...
There is one aspect in the possibility of time travel that I believe none of you have yet mentioned...

Black holes.

Time travel is very possible in fact. It is simply the means in which to acheive such a feat the are near, if not, impossible.
However, by manipulating black holes\' gravity, one can in effect, travel years back into the past.

Steps to building a time machine:

1. Get super ultra powerful rocket.
2. Fly super ultra powerful rocket into space, encounter black hole.
3. Fly super ultra powerful rocket near black hole, lure black hole towards near by planet. Black hole is lured to planet by gravity.
4. Fly super ultra powerful rocket down around black hole, around and around. Each complete cycle adds one \'twist\' to the now \'tunnel like\' hole.
5. Go into black hole. If your super ultra powerful rocket can get through the black hole without being spaghettified, you\'re now in the past. How far you may ask? Well, for every \'twist\' in the black hole, that\'s one year back into the past.

However, I am unsure about going into the future.


No offense but...WHAT IN THE WORLD HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKIN\'??!??!?!??!??
How do we even know black holes even exist? I have stated before that there is a demension for every instance of time. It keeps repeating.That is how we remember things. If The deminsions didn\'t reapeat themselves we wouldn\'t Remember a single thing because it ceases to exist! So therefore, If we break through the Dimensional barriers then we could time travel.


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::Is it possible?::

Well yes, as the Doc. already said, we can see into the past to a certain extent becuse of the way light travels. Thanks to that fun little man that said E=MC² we know however that you can not travel faster than light. If you COULD than you would possilby be able to slip past the barrier we call time.

Also the \"Time Paradox\" theory throws a monkey into the whole thing. You see if you go back in time and do somthing, than in your \"present\" it would of happened long ago. That means that when you do it, it will of happend twice. However becuse of the nature of time (repeat previous steps) it will of happend an infinite number of times. Since nothing, not even space, is truly infinite there would be no room for an infinite number of things to happen. Thus the sudden increase of gravity would INSTANTLY colapse the universe and all those parallel to it. Going into the future however...


::But will we?::

I doubt it.
:P:rolleyes::P


No, the universe would not collapse. Read my theory to see how

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My views...
There is one aspect in the possibility of time travel that I believe none of you have yet mentioned...

Black holes.

Time travel is very possible in fact. It is simply the means in which to acheive such a feat the are near, if not, impossible.
However, by manipulating black holes\' gravity, one can in effect, travel years back into the past.

Steps to building a time machine:

1. Get super ultra powerful rocket.
2. Fly super ultra powerful rocket into space, encounter black hole.
3. Fly super ultra powerful rocket near black hole, lure black hole towards near by planet. Black hole is lured to planet by gravity.
4. Fly super ultra powerful rocket down around black hole, around and around. Each complete cycle adds one \'twist\' to the now \'tunnel like\' hole.
5. Go into black hole. If your super ultra powerful rocket can get through the black hole without being spaghettified, you\'re now in the past. How far you may ask? Well, for every \'twist\' in the black hole, that\'s one year back into the past.

However, I am unsure about going into the future.


No offense but...WHAT IN THE WORLD HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKIN\'??!??!?!??!??
How do we even know black holes even exist? I have stated before that there is a demension for every instance of time. It keeps repeating.That is how we remember things. If The deminsions didn\'t reapeat themselves we wouldn\'t Remember a single thing because it ceases to exist! So therefore, If we break through the Dimensional barriers then we could time travel.


Hm. I read that in one of those \'Eye-Witness\' books, concerning time and space. :P In any case, I was slightly joking, moreover, \'twas more of a theory than fact. So don\'t go all rhino at me! :P

In any case, another thing concerning dimensions/universes and the like, is that, theoritically, there exists and infinite array of alternate universes. Everytime you so much as breath you have created another alternate universe. The created universes are a direct result from making a choice. For example...

Say I\'m in line for a lottery ticket. I so happen to get a winning ticket, that nets me a cool 1 million. That\'s fine. Now, say I am smart and invest this money. In a couple of years, after, say, the investment has paid off, I use the money from the investment to start a company specializing in computer technology. In this company, we eventually create a product that has a significant impact on the world. It sweeps across the globe, this new technology, and changes almost everyone\'s lives.
Cutting back to the lottery ticket scenario, say I stopped to tie my shoe. Then some other person went into line before me, as I\'m tying my shoe. I go into line one place too late, the other person gets the winning ticket, and net theirselves 1 million. Let\'s say they\'re not as smart with money, and quickly spend it all, rather than using it for a wiser cause.
Then the company would never be founded, the technology would never be created, and nothing would make an impact on the world changing our lives. Futhermore, I wouldn\'t be rich!!! :eek:
Just some food for thought...
Hopefully this theory of alternate universes will inspire further ideas, and theories, in some of your minds.


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No, the universe would not collapse. Read my theory to see how.


[font=comic sans ms]See, that theory only applies towards Time Displacement machines, i.e. Terminator. Time Displacement, in theory, produces the least amount of danger to the traveler himself. He can do whatever and basically just go back and the future would be buggered, but not affect him in any way.

Basically you remove yourself from your timeline completely, ergo making yourself invulerable to paradox. Basically you stop existing for however long you want. :P

But obviously this is the hardest type of time travel to achieve, and will not therefore be discovered anytime soon...

...If it can be.[/font]


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It might be good. You might be able to see your family, or change events. However, it might be bad. You could be killed, without actually BEING killed. I dunno, it probably can\'t even happen!


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No, the universe would not collapse. Read my theory to see how.


[font=comic sans ms]See, that theory only applies towards Time Displacement machines, i.e. Terminator. Time Displacement, in theory, produces the least amount of danger to the traveler himself. He can do whatever and basically just go back and the future would be buggered, but not affect him in any way.

Basically you remove yourself from your timeline completely, ergo making yourself invulerable to paradox. Basically you stop existing for however long you want. :P

But obviously this is the hardest type of time travel to achieve, and will not therefore be discovered anytime soon...

...If it can be.[/font] [/quote]

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?? No text ??

Anyway, I based on what I previously said, it is explained that you WOULD colapse the universe.

Time displacement could never be achived...here\'s why.

1. If you where to erase yourself from your timeline than you would cease to exist to have been ereased. See?

2. If you dont understand that then think of it this way. When you are ereased you cease to exist. Thus you would not exist in ANY time becuse all of time is interconected. By this idea we can assume that you could not be erased becuse then there would be nothing there to erase. With nothing to erase you would not be erased and cancel out the erasing. There for you still exist and never where erased.

*Brain Lag*

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If you went back in time, chances are, you would become yourself (because you would have to have already have been you), and you would therefore forget you had ever traveled in time in the first place. I\'d like to say you\'d have wasted time doing so, but really, nothing has changed. It\'s not like you would gain anything. Chances are, time would go in an endless loop if anyone were ever to do this, or at least for you, anyways, because there would never be a way to remember your mistake, and therefore, you would always repeat it.

And yes, there are black holes, but you would die in the time it takes to reach them, becaues they are so far away.


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Actually, even if you did manage to change the past, you\'de be trapped in time itself you\'d travel back, then relive your entire life up to the point where you when backwards, you\'d go backwards again and you\'d go in this loop until the end of time itself. Mistake me if I\'m wrong, but it souds like a bad idea to be meddling with time.


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[quote]Originally posted by BlueSilver
?? No text ??

Anyway, I based on what I previously said, it is explained that you WOULD colapse the universe.

Time displacement could never be achived...here\'s why.

1. If you where to erase yourself from your timeline than you would cease to exist to have been ereased. See?

2. If you dont understand that then think of it this way. When you are ereased you cease to exist. Thus you would not exist in ANY time becuse all of time is interconected. By this idea we can assume that you could not be erased becuse then there would be nothing there to erase. With nothing to erase you would not be erased and cancel out the erasing. There for you still exist and never where erased.

*Brain Lag*

...:D Happy place.

[Edited on 8-1-2004 by BlueSilver] [/quote]

[font=comic sans ms]Maybe I should have specified a little better. >>;

Basically you remove yourself from the timeline where you are at, but people do NOT notice you are gone- you return to the very millisecond you left after you are done. or, you could see what the future timeline would be like without you around. Whatever.[/font]


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Nobody understood my original theory (a page back, methinks), so let me explain it this way.
You are you. You are on a bus(time) moving forward. No matter where you move on that bus, it doesn\'t matter, because until that bus stops, you are still going forward. You have not enough influence to change said bus, or your place on said bus!


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How do we even know black holes even exist?

Um... we know they exist because we seen them through our telescopes silly. ;x

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If you went back in time, chances are, you would become yourself (because you would have to have already have been you), and you would therefore forget you had ever traveled in time in the first place.

It may be true that you are you, but the problem that I can see in that is that you won\'t exactly be the same person that you were in the past. Pretty much because you\'ll have more experiance and be a bit more mature, your body would have grown, you might have gotten a scar that will never go away after the date you\'re traveling back to, etc. Even your mind will be changed on how it thinks. Yes, you\'re still the same person, but you\'re not the same person at the same time.