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And this is supposed to change my mind, how?

You\'re just children.


Children who have intelligent posts and opinions. In fact, the very people you are addressing may even be 2x as old as you are!

Age means nothing. Don\'t give any of that wiser crap. Maturity of the mind is what counts, not Physical age.


Unless, you are going by the worlds standards in which children are not meant to be heard, and adults are always right when arguing with children, because their age allowed them to see things to solidify their decision.

We aren\'t trying to change your mind, but, we are asking you to respect our opinions, whether or not you choose to believe them, and not just dismiss them due to a few years difference.

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Does anyone in school say this.

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My school classmates keep saying that.

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Originally posted by Kia_Purity
And this is supposed to change my mind, how?

You\'re just children.


Children who have intelligent posts and opinions. In fact, the very people you are addressing may even be 2x as old as you are!

Age means nothing. Don\'t give any of that wiser crap. Maturity of the mind is what counts, not Physical age.


Unless, you are going by the worlds standards in which children are not meant to be heard, and adults are always right when arguing with children, because their age allowed them to see things to solidify their decision.

We aren\'t trying to change your mind, but, we are asking you to respect our opinions, whether or not you choose to believe them, and not just dismiss them due to a few years difference.


Nicley put. you guys can put out good speeches.

About Ikki\'s question. Noone says it at my school. nice acronym.

I don\'t know why I post noone cares about me. Oh well


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[font=comic sans ms]I really don\'t care about the guy. He\'s just another figure for America to dump upon all of their problems.

Way I see it, if this is a war on terror, it\'s going to go down in flames. You can have some small victories against it, but can never truly win- it will be here just as air is here, ever-present. Like the war on drugs; we will never truly eliminate them, just postpone the distribution.

Basically, I\'m trying to say this to Mr. Bush: Keep your stupid wars to yourself and DON\'T GET MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS INVOLVED![/font]


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Kia, did you ever consider that perhaps this came out of a sense of justice rather than stupidity? Everyone is so angry at the world, and Bush just seems like the easiest to blame. What if we hadn\'t gone to war? Sure, we might not be so economically sunk, but think about the Iraqis. What if you lived there? Ignoring Saddam would have been selfish. It would have been best socially and economically for America, but the Iraqis would still suffer. This is that \"it\'s your problem\" attitude that causes so much wrong in this world.


The war was never about helping the Iraqi\'s. Nobody cares about the Iraqis, or should. The only reason anyone did was because the media constantly fed images and information to the public about Saddam and his deeds. It\'s not like Saddam was the only dictator in the world that did acts like he did. It\'s funny how people never seem to care about them.

Also, like my first statement in my previous paragraph stated, the war was never about liberating the Iraqi people. Bush gave several reasons to go to war with Iraq before he said it was about liberating the iraqi people. First it was because Saddam was linked to Al-Queda and targetting Saddam would make the world a safer place against terrorism. That didn\'t come out true. The next excuse to go to war was because Saddam had WMD\'s, which is funny, because after the war, they still haven\'t been found. Yet that didn\'t fly as a reason to go to war as the UN supported a more diplomatic approach to disarming Iraq before a war started. Only then was the reason to go to war about liberating the Iraqi people. Funny how that works.

I have a hard time believing the war was just to make the Iraqi people\'s life better due to factos I\'ve already listed. Unless the United States helps out other countries in similar situations, there is absolutely no way I can believe this was simply to help out another country.


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That was merely a statement to point out that you are so blind to the truth.
I hate it when people are so willing to believe the president. Look, the american people = president\'s boss! If president screws up, he answers to the american people. They forget that so easily.

Plus, I\'ve seen that international people are NOT happy with the Americans. They can see what most Americans can\'t. The president is NOT perfect.

Necro brought up the points that is so easily overlooked.

Next time, if something doesn\'t seem right, QUESTION IT. Do not take it at face value or you will be forever lost.


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I fear the day we illegaly overthrow are president. This is the day we betray democracy and become an uncivilized mass of humans, forgetting morales and religion to massacre for what we want.:(


Something else came to mind to me for this statement. Taken from dictionary.com:

[size=1]\\De*moc\"ra*cy\\, n.; pl. Democracies. [F. d[\'e]mocratie, fr. Gr. dhmokrati`a; dh^mos the people + kratei^n to be strong, to rule, kra`tos strength.] 1. Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is retained and directly exercised by the people.

2. Government by popular representation; a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people, but is indirectly exercised through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed; a constitutional representative government; a republic.

3. Collectively, the people, regarded as the source of government. --Milton.

4. The principles and policy of the Democratic party, so called. [U.S.] [/size]

Take note of the definition that I bolded. I did so as such I believe it gave the most detailed definition, while the other definitions never said anything to oppose it. Americans have already betrayed democracy by having Bush in office, as Gore did win the popular vote.

I\'m not saying I support Gore being in office instead of Bush, and I\'m not saying I don\'t. However, I did find there to be a problem with your statement.

This isn\'t a shot at how the United States handles it\'s own government, either. I\'m completely aware of why the system works as it does and why Gore isn\'tin office despite winning the popular vote.

[Edited on 20-12-2003 by Necro]


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[quote]Originally posted by Phatman Dover
[font=comic sans ms]I really don\'t care about the guy. He\'s just another figure for America to dump upon all of their problems.

Way I see it, if this is a war on terror, it\'s going to go down in flames. You can have some small victories against it, but can never truly win- it will be here just as air is here, ever-present. Like the war on drugs; we will never truly eliminate them, just postpone the distribution.

Basically, I\'m trying to say this to Mr. Bush: Keep your stupid wars to yourself and DON\'T GET MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS INVOLVED![/font] [/quote]/

Even if we execute Suddam then we are still not done with him. If we execute him then we\'ll still have to deal with his followers and outraged Iraqis.
Then if we kill the outraged Iraqis then riots might break out, a new army(or militia) will be formed, then the war will start all over. then we will capture that ring leader. then execute him and the thing will just keep happening over and over and over and over.


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None of the above reasons for war are even closely related to the real thing. This may shock you, but I guarentee that it is true.


Each president we have will fall into one of two catagories:

1. He is an honest man who is willing to guide the American people

2. He is a member of the Illuminati


Should we have a president of the second catagory, we are in trouble. This has been true with many presidents of the past. The Illuminati is a highly secret organization. They are composed of the highest ranking freemasons. This organization has been working for hundreds of years. Their goal is none other than world domination. This is where the confusion starts. What catagory is Bush in? He is a good Christian man who appears to be leading our country very well through problems, yet he attacked Iraq. We had no reason to attack them. Sending the investigators was merely an excuse to attack. They were so sure they had missiles, so they send the investigators. When they found nothing, we had no excuse to attack, yet we did. Our goal then was to liberate Iraq. Now, the real test. If Bush is a true citizen, he will allow Iraq to become self governed and will pull out all US troops and stop activity there. If he is in the Illuminati, however, he will establish a US government in Iraq and make Iraq a free country under US rule. This will appear good and helpful to the people, but it is merely another step towards world domination.


Now, for the REALLY bad news.

With these attacks, a window is opened for US expansion. We will most likely attack the uncooperative countries first, and establish government in them. Then, we will do something completely evil. The president can easily call the leaders of any other nation and tell them, \"Join us in our circle of power or we will annihilate you and your people.\" They will have no choice but to comply. It is very bad to be the worlds most powerful military power, as we can easily destroy the rest of the world. This will establish the New World Order. All forms of curency will be abolished. There will be one world language. If we switch to the most widely used language, we will all be speaking Mandarin Chinese. However, it will most likely be English, as it is the official language of the US. There will be one world religion. It will be an occult religion under the guise of Christianity. Most likely this will not begin until several years after Bush\'s time. Years ago, a tribe of indians made several prophesies. All of these prophesies were fullfilled but one: The Apocalypse. That date is yet to come. They said that in the year 2028, the world will end. This is approximately how long it would take us to establish the New World Order. However, bu discovering this, I may have pushed back the apocalypse. God said that noone is meant to know the time of the End, so by knowing this, it would rule out its coming in that time. Odd thing is, that year is approximately 2000 years after the death of Christ. However, these dates could be innaccurate due to the four year gap in the Roman callendar. So it could actually be that the world will end 2000 years after the birth of Christ. If that is true, it would have been in 1996 on Christmas Eve, or..........


Merry Christmas and PRAY for a New Year!!!

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Plus, I\'m not sure how common this information is... someone in the American Government put Saddam in charge because they wanted democracy in the mid-east. (Guess how well /that/ went!) Once everything turned bad, that kind of information was erased, but I still need to ask a friend more about this.


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That would actually prove my theory of the Illuminati spreading to the rest of the world....

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Originally posted by Nayus Dante
None of the above reasons for war are even closely related to the real thing. This may shock you, but I guarentee that it is true.


Each president we have will fall into one of two catagories:

1. He is an honest man who is willing to guide the American people

2. He is a member of the Illuminati


Should we have a president of the second catagory, we are in trouble. This has been true with many presidents of the past. The Illuminati is a highly secret organization. They are composed of the highest ranking freemasons. This organization has been working for hundreds of years. Their goal is none other than world domination. This is where the confusion starts. What catagory is Bush in? He is a good Christian man who appears to be leading our country very well through problems, yet he attacked Iraq. We had no reason to attack them. Sending the investigators was merely an excuse to attack. They were so sure they had missiles, so they send the investigators. When they found nothing, we had no excuse to attack, yet we did. Our goal then was to liberate Iraq. Now, the real test. If Bush is a true citizen, he will allow Iraq to become self governed and will pull out all US troops and stop activity there. If he is in the Illuminati, however, he will establish a US government in Iraq and make Iraq a free country under US rule. This will appear good and helpful to the people, but it is merely another step towards world domination.


Now, for the REALLY bad news.

With these attacks, a window is opened for US expansion. We will most likely attack the uncooperative countries first, and establish government in them. Then, we will do something completely evil. The president can easily call the leaders of any other nation and tell them, \"Join us in our circle of power or we will annihilate you and your people.\" They will have no choice but to comply. It is very bad to be the worlds most powerful military power, as we can easily destroy the rest of the world. This will establish the New World Order. All forms of curency will be abolished. There will be one world language. If we switch to the most widely used language, we will all be speaking Mandarin Chinese. However, it will most likely be English, as it is the official language of the US. There will be one world religion. It will be an occult religion under the guise of Christianity. Most likely this will not begin until several years after Bush\'s time. Years ago, a tribe of indians made several prophesies. All of these prophesies were fullfilled but one: The Apocalypse. That date is yet to come. They said that in the year 2028, the world will end. This is approximately how long it would take us to establish the New World Order. However, bu discovering this, I may have pushed back the apocalypse. God said that noone is meant to know the time of the End, so by knowing this, it would rule out its coming in that time. Odd thing is, that year is approximately 2000 years after the death of Christ. However, these dates could be innaccurate due to the four year gap in the Roman callendar. So it could actually be that the world will end 2000 years after the birth of Christ. If that is true, it would have been in 1996 on Christmas Eve, or..........


Merry Christmas and PRAY for a New Year!!!


Actually we sortof did have a reason to attack Iraq. Even if they weren\'t storing missiles Suddam Executed many people and could have ezecuted more if we didn\'t attack.


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Kia, did you ever consider that perhaps this came out of a sense of justice rather than stupidity? Everyone is so angry at the world, and Bush just seems like the easiest to blame. What if we hadn\'t gone to war? Sure, we might not be so economically sunk, but think about the Iraqis. What if you lived there? Ignoring Saddam would have been selfish. It would have been best socially and economically for America, but the Iraqis would still suffer. This is that \"it\'s your problem\" attitude that causes so much wrong in this world.


The war was never about helping the Iraqi\'s. Nobody cares about the Iraqis, or should. The only reason anyone did was because the media constantly fed images and information to the public about Saddam and his deeds. It\'s not like Saddam was the only dictator in the world that did acts like he did. It\'s funny how people never seem to care about them.

Also, like my first statement in my previous paragraph stated, the war was never about liberating the Iraqi people. Bush gave several reasons to go to war with Iraq before he said it was about liberating the iraqi people. First it was because Saddam was linked to Al-Queda and targetting Saddam would make the world a safer place against terrorism. That didn\'t come out true. The next excuse to go to war was because Saddam had WMD\'s, which is funny, because after the war, they still haven\'t been found. Yet that didn\'t fly as a reason to go to war as the UN supported a more diplomatic approach to disarming Iraq before a war started. Only then was the reason to go to war about liberating the Iraqi people. Funny how that works.

I have a hard time believing the war was just to make the Iraqi people\'s life better due to factos I\'ve already listed. Unless the United States helps out other countries in similar situations, there is absolutely no way I can believe this was simply to help out another country.



I don\'t say that it was simply that, it was part of it too. I think the war was justified, because unlike some people I have heart, I care about others instead fo just myself. I care about the Iraqis, how would you feel if you were in their shoes huh? Yeah, answer that.

Although I think the war was justified, there was a somewhat less pure reason for it: Oil, but can you blame him? Our country needs it.

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Alot of us porobably do care about the Iraqis. I know i do. But some of them do go crazy and try to kill our soldiers. That\'s why many people hate the Iraqis.


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I care for the Iraquis:eek:, I guess alote of poeple don\'t care about other poeple:conf:


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OK. As far as I heard, Bush is a descendant of Genghis Kahn or Napoleon? He wants to conquer the world?
Comments like that are what lead to racism and more blaming the president. We don\'t allow Bush to waltz in and take us over. If you study it, about the biggest power a President has in lawmaking is vetoing, which the American PEOPLE can overrule through the House. Representatives. RepresentING the American people. You may say, \"So how come they\'re making all their desciscions for us?\" They\'re NOT! They\'re ordinary people, like you and me. I can\'t recall the last time I saw one in the news for simply \"being a representative.\"
Bush, I think, had a justified reason. If the Illuminati has existed (I\'m cynical), which Presidents were in it?


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OK. As far as I heard, Bush is a descendant of Genghis Kahn or Napoleon? He wants to conquer the world?


:lol::lol:very funny!, atleast I think it is.


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[quote]Originally posted by .-
[quote]Originally posted by Phatman Dover
[font=comic sans ms]I really don\'t care about the guy. He\'s just another figure for America to dump upon all of their problems.

Way I see it, if this is a war on terror, it\'s going to go down in flames. You can have some small victories against it, but can never truly win- it will be here just as air is here, ever-present. Like the war on drugs; we will never truly eliminate them, just postpone the distribution.

Basically, I\'m trying to say this to Mr. Bush: Keep your stupid wars to yourself and DON\'T GET MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS INVOLVED![/font] [/quote]/

Even if we execute Suddam then we are still not done with him. If we execute him then we\'ll still have to deal with his followers and outraged Iraqis.
Then if we kill the outraged Iraqis then riots might break out, a new army(or militia) will be formed, then the war will start all over. then we will capture that ring leader. then execute him and the thing will just keep happening over and over and over and over. [/quote]That is why Bush must hand him back to the Iraqi people. This means he is punished by those he persecuted. That way, it means more to the Iraqi people and the Curds and then the US will end up much better off than they would if they executed him theirselves.

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The war was never about helping the Iraqi\'s. Nobody cares about the Iraqis, or should. The only reason anyone did was because the media constantly fed images and information to the public about Saddam and his deeds. It\'s not like Saddam was the only dictator in the world that did acts like he did. It\'s funny how people never seem to care about them.

Also, like my first statement in my previous paragraph stated, the war was never about liberating the Iraqi people. Bush gave several reasons to go to war with Iraq before he said it was about liberating the iraqi people. First it was because Saddam was linked to Al-Queda and targetting Saddam would make the world a safer place against terrorism. That didn\'t come out true. The next excuse to go to war was because Saddam had WMD\'s, which is funny, because after the war, they still haven\'t been found. Yet that didn\'t fly as a reason to go to war as the UN supported a more diplomatic approach to disarming Iraq before a war started. Only then was the reason to go to war about liberating the Iraqi people. Funny how that works.

I have a hard time believing the war was just to make the Iraqi people\'s life better due to factos I\'ve already listed. Unless the United States helps out other countries in similar situations, there is absolutely no way I can believe this was simply to help out another country.

I fully aggree with you and Kia. The British are annoyed, also, that our Prime Minister is (pardon my language) just Bush\'s arse-lick. Whatever Bush does, he copies. Where did that get us? The rest of Europe hates us!

Also, it doesn\'t help that Bush cheated in the election to get to be presedent.


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Beh. It\'s hard to argue with Necro. Perhaps our democracy is flawed. Can anyone think of a better way? I think not. Because no one is perfect, we cannot have an ultimate ruler, nor can we have perfect followers. So what should we do? Give EVERYONE the government\'s power? Play tic-tac-toe to make laws? Flip a coin?

It is easy to argue with Kia Purity, because she has no facts. Please find evidence or substance before trying to denounce our president. We question everything. We are a curious people. I question things myself. As I\'ve shown, I question our government. But do you have any better ideas for a government?

Also, I think we would be selfish not to have fought Saddam. We can\'t just ignore our fellow human being\'s cries for help. Even if they won\'t show it, they need our help. We must not turn our back on those who are troubled. I\'m not saying everyone should run out and join the Navy, I\'m just saying you have no right to say you want no part in the violence. The least you could do is just sit there and deal with it, even if you aren\'t planning on being an avid supporter.

All this debating is hard work. I should be on Crossfire! I love that show.

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the guys a old fart...... what did he do al that time in the hole? they said he spent like 3 hours a day in there...... if i were a terrorist ( and im not) i would fly to the moon you would be safe for the 6 month they can catch up to you.... then on the moon bullets go so slow you can easily dodge them and he could have a space hole in the ground! yay! he \'d be living it up in space! ( well at least until his air and food runs out ):rolleyes:

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Actually, the bullet would go faster and would be more accurite. There are less atoms in the air, up there, therefore less friction making it go faster. Also, there\'s less gravity as the moon has less mass. Also, where would you get the money to fund such a journey?


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And how would he do it covertly? A rocket, as of now, can only have one destination. He\'d have to be on the moon, and undoubtedly somebody would see him rocket up there.

But now I\'m just being nittpicky.:lol:


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instead of launching to the moon he should luanch to the sun...........:conf: why not?

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Well, he would burn up?:P


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i know thats the point!!! HAHAHAA!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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...(realization dawns on AimMan)

Oh! Haha! I get it.:lol:

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Yes. We do hate the bugger, don\'t we?:lol:


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Its just hard to think that when he were to grow up, he was going to be a terorist.Imagine just being a kid playing with a toy so innocent, and when the baby grew he became a terorist. What a pethedic life:cry:


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\"Kia has no facts\"?

You arse. Look outside of the window. That\'s your facts. You\'re not questioning them. You\'d rather be blind.

Europeans hate the Americans because of their president. The president is the Americans\' representative. Now, ASK him why the heck Europe hates the Americans!

Too bad I\'m arguing with someone who won\'t want to see the truth. *rolls eyes*


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It\'s a wasteful pursuit, that\'s for sure. Any man could have the potential to create great things if he could set aside such evil pursuits.:(


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