Yup,m brain gotta wonderin\'....what IS life?For all we know,it could just be a dream...and the dreams that we think we dream is actually reallity.I just can\'t figure it out.You guys think?

If life is but a dream, wouldn\'t that make \"dreams\" a dream within a dream?
This makes me think of a Matrix quote:
\"What is \'real\'? How do you define \'real\'?\"
Reality is only what your mind THINKS is real. Therefore, it leads to many versions of reality, creating no true definition of reality.

So basically, if reality is all in our heads, wouldn\'t that make it our own personalized DREAM?

Ah, but who am I kidding? I\'m not the philisophical type, that\'s Kei\'s or Wind\'s job:lol:
Well, that\'s my 2 cents.

No,no...what I\'m saying is...we have...reality and a dream.What if were actually living IN the DREAM and our reality is the \"Dream within a dream\" you described....*Sigh*Wind,Kei.Help.

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Wow wind! You actually managed to covered what I was just about to write!

One thing I would like to mention buy the way, is how you link lives to objects.
None have figured out what is clasified as \"one\" individual lifefiorm. Take you for example. You are made out of cells and bacteria. Does that mean that you are not allive in that sence? Think about it, all of the bacteria and cells have their own \"life\", allthoug they are also made out of smaller components. So, shoud one clasify you as just a heep of bacteria and cells? Or should you be defined as \"one\" living lifeform?

I have read many articles about the \"Holographic universe\" and today it is mostly used to find an explanation for black holes. One thing is interesting though. If you have \"life\" in the sence of a living thing, as with the hologram, you could have an infinite nouber of lives only a smaller part of a whole. All of them would allso be connected, so that means you might me living or shareing someone elses life.

This might explain telecinetics and past life incedents since there would always me another, smaller part of a whole to connect to.

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Now that\'s something I did not expect hehe, I guess I should carry on where i left off.

What I was saying was that one has no way to mesure if you are allive in the sence of you beeing made up of smaller organizms with a life of their own. Your brain works through a chemical prosess. If you \"live\" through the actions of your brain that means that whatever your brain is made out of is affecting how you see life and the world. It is kind of a strange thought to think that you are just a link of several smaller beeings. If some of them die, it would affect your very existance. for example, a large number of brain cells in the memory region dies making you loose most of your past life. There could be an overdose of reseptors in the emotional chamber making you paranoid or over emotional.

Life can be alterd very easally, all your behavior can at some point get taken away from you creating a completely new self. life can in many ways be seen as an illusion since there is no way to define what it really is. (I think I got back on topic again...)

Think of it this way, say the whole worlds color blind, and the sky is actully green, if it look all the same to us then we take that as normal. If we are all dreaming, we take it as reality and it dosent interfeir with are lives, so is there much of a problem?

Life is so many different things, at so many different levels. How do you define the word?

Is it an event? A \'force\'? Or, perhaps, is it almost a \'series choices\'? Could it be all of these things? Many people, I\'m sure, have different interpretations of their own on the word, but the dictionary is little help. It does not truly describe it in the most generally acceptable way, the way that one of us may describe it. A dictionary is but an inanimate object! It has not experienced emotion, events, had to make decisions, etc. It does not know these aspects, the things that are perhaps the elements of life.

And yet, we ask now...is reality life\'s essence in itself? Or vice versa?
Perhaps, the beliefs a person has is their own reality.
If I believe in purple, radio-active bananas, then they\'re real--for me. But the rest of you will most likely just stare at me funny, and remain skeptic. In this case, it is not real for the rest of you, as it is not a common belief, among the majority.
Reality is not a definitive \'thing\', then? Perhaps.
If you don\'t mind me making and example Wind~:

What ever Wind~ believes is true, on his part. We may not believe him, because it is not real through our eyes. (sorry about that)

Reality is the thread that binds our lives. Without our \'own realities\', the threads of our existence would be torn. Life would have different, if no, meaning.
You could choose to believe that you are dreaming at the moment...that Interordi is but a illusion.
Alas, that\'s your insanity.



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Life is the great mystery of, well, life. No one nows when it began or when it will end. I think life is what we make. I don\'t see it as a \"dream within a dream\" or a hologram. You can control dreams, and no hologram, no matter how sophisticated can allow one inside (that is, created by and residing in) it to feel or have emotions and free will. As for dreams, upon realization of being in a dream, you can control it. People would have already done this by now if it were. Life is real, physical, and for the most part, unmystical.

Ghosts are the remainders of spirits left behind, not glitches or symbols of death. Phenomenon are not glitches or the effect of a strange neural fluctuation of a greater being, but results of natural and on extremely rare occasions supernatural conditions. Life is real and not a dream, hologram, or fleeting thing.

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...Am I the only one who believes life is real, and not an illusion?

Did you no that time and color are illusions? Light actually just creates color, and time is nothing but a measure of the rotating of planets and cycling of seasons. Everyting is actually jut colorless matter.

Anyways, I believe that life is just the result of our sin. If man had never sinned, life would still be the Garden of Eden. However, because we did, and still to this day, continue to sin, I sort of view life as a trial. It is a trial to test us all and see if we are worthy to enter heaven. But yes, the world is real. Heaven and hell aren\'t above the skies and under the crusts of the earth, though. Tey are far away planes, unreachable by man or technology. Heaven will only be reached by those who have proved themselves worthy. Alternately, hell will be the destination of those who practice the teachings of the devil.

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Big Bang Theory?Never heard of it.

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I didn\'t think it was possible, but I just disagreed on everything you just said. and I mean EVERYTHING.

One, just like WindRider~ said, Time is not a measure of the seasons. Time isn\'t even a measure at all. There is no such thing as time. However, we, with such a limited perception, perceive time to be moving forwards. Time is merely a physical association that humans have assigned to it to make it easier to understand. So, what if time isn\'t moving at all? What if in actuality, time is merely an infinite amount of \'slides\' with each slide containing everything happening everywhere for an instant? But then, how long would an instant be? In truth, it is impossible to measure any of that. So don\'t try.

Just clearing that up ;D

Now, about Life.

Life is believed to be the ongoing struggle between all organisms and the environment. The struggle for survival as it were. That is life in the physical terms of it. Now, what if in actuality, there were no physical terms to it? What if in reality, we were just \'essences\', or \'souls\' as it were, traversing existence, attempting to associate the environment with such things as color, or shape, or every other way that we perceive reality. I know that this seems hard to grasp, but it could be. We look up into the sky and see endless blue. But that\'s just how we perceive it to look like. What if it didn\'t exist at all? (BTW, the sky along with space don\'t exist. just words assigned to make it easier to understand) What if the sky was just some . . . signal that\'s being sent to our mind? Or some signal that we \'pick up\' with our \'sensors\'? Probably not. And most of the time, I don\'t worry about things like that.

So what I\'m saying is that it\'s quite possible that we don\'t \'exist\' at all. At least, not in the physical terms that have been described.

Now about the dream within a dream theory. I don\'t doubt the possibility that we and everything we feel and see and whatever are merely an ongoing dream of another. That the universe is being maintained within the mind of some \'super-being\'. The concept of GOD can play into this, and I\'m sure I could delve into that as well. However, for the sake of time (HAH), I won\'t. I don\'t doubt it, because I\'m srue that a mind with that kind of capacity and speed could exist.

However, what is speed? How fast something happens? Well, what if everything was at a standstill? This goes back to my \'slides\' theory. We perceive time to be moving forward, as I said earlier. But what if it were moving backwards? What if it weren\'t moving at all? What if it were moving at an infinite speed incomprehendable to the human mind? Well, I believe it\'s already moved. That we\'re already dead, and that we\'re not even born yet, and that we\'re living out our lives.

TIME HAS NO MEANING

It doesn\'t matter where time is right now, because no matter what, everything is happening all at once. And I mean everything. Past, Present, and Future. Hard to grasp, I know.

So where does life play into this?

I could discuss evolution, and how we got here, and a lot of bs like that...but would I have to? If what I said above is true, then all of that is, hasn\'t, and already happened already, so why should we care? Life is an ongoing struggle.

Meaning, we are fighting to survive against the odds. As species, we populate planets, and create ecosystems, and a lot of things like that. Not we as humans, but we as a biosphere in itself. LIFE as it were.

to some people, life is having fun and living out the best times. To me, that\'s also true. I have no control over life, and I don\'t want it. It\'s too much to handle. I\'d rather just sit down, play cards or whatever, and just live out the rest of my days.

We never know what life is until we die.

So, why does it matter now? Why do you want to know? To me, life is an ongoing string of questions, answering themselves as life goes on. As time goes on. But ultimately, every question has already been answered. All we have to do is find the right slide that it was answered in.

*rubs behind* Wind...that hurt.

My final words on this: To each his own

Believe what you will.

I don\'t care.

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Ok, let me just sum up all of that, and lay down my sword for good.

Stop worrying. Life is only what you make. And when you think about it, it doesn\'t even matter. So don\'t worry about it.

That\'s it.


*sigh*

With these final words . . .
I sheathe my sword.
*chingk*


*kneel* Perhaps this is not my path.

Don\'t mention swords (or blades for that matter) around Wind~....
You never know what to expect.

But I must applaude you Kei, as you\'ve post your insightful thoughts on very profound terms.

On a side note, I must say out of opinion that when \'contemplating truth\', as Kei would put it, one must set aside their religious beliefs, if any. Introducing these into a philisophical discussion is, well, perhaps almost biased behaviour. Referring to them is fine on it\'s own, but treating it like truth is naive.
Truth, Knowledge, and Beliefs are three very different things; they must not be confused.

Of course, I\'m not implying that anyone here has yet to do such a thing, but simply, it is something to be avoided, perhaps.

Just a sugestion,not to be rude,but quit with these paradoxial questions,they make my brain itch and twitch,...and also hurt badly.

No offense,but people go to psychiatric school to help people with questions like these,my opinion,i was put here to help the lives of others and to have a good time along the way,and when my inevitable day comes,the day i rest eternally,i will be judged as one,and then when the appocolipse comes to be,we all are judged,those who pass on,those who are held back for an eternity of torture,and i strongly believe this.

Just my opinions though

Let me be the one to ask the question \'What isn\'t life?\' Existance is purely not knowing, therefore, the opposite is knowing which means \'the know is to no longer exist.\' I guess this adds new meaning to the statment \'the truth kills.\'