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I think Serenade should have looked better. He/she shoulda been bigger and tougher to beat. Like have really big armor and better looking attacks than what he/she had before. For example, that little dinky sparkling star that moves up and down your panels like an ice wave chip. That doesnt seem very strong yet is does 100dmg. he/she should at least have some type of laser beam or somethin.

[Edited on 19-9-2004 by Xeonix]


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ARE YOU NUTS MAN?! Seranade was strong enough as it was in BN3! No offense but Seranades looks was to lure people into false security, which works quite well. But Seranade is strong enough! No matter what you do, the only time you can do anything to Seranade is when he/She is using the green potral! I consider that hard enough, any harder and you might as well make him like the first encounter with Bass where he had a invulnerable Aura!


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And to talk about the guy who posted before me, he\'s got 1 problem: The Navis from the time Seranade was made were never equipped with Lasers man. THey were equipped with lasers like Laserman WAY after. I admit that Seranade seems bad looking, but you have to accept the story line data behind it. Seranade was put in the secret areas by SciLabs to protect the Ultimate Program, \"Giga Freeze\". This was like 20-30 years before the first game began, meaning Seranade looks dull because he/she is one of the original classes of Net Navis, although his power was made to well exceed average navis so that nobody could attack and just steal Giga freeze. This worked, and even the newest Navis cannot beat Seranade, even the \"Super Navi\" Bass couldn\'t defeat Seranade as Bass Gospel (Bass GS). So take that into effect.


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Bass GS never fought Serenade. Normal Bass.

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Mega-X, I have a question: Do you always base your info on the Manga? If you do, then I\'m afraid you might as well stop trusting the manga, and for a few reasons. 1: When it comes to the .EXE (aka Battle Network) Series, the official source of data about it comes from the first made of the sources, in this case, contrary to MOST people\'s beliefs, is the games. These FIRST made sources are called \"Canon\". I know that you like the mangas and all, but I work in \"Canon\" data, because I\'m trying to become the Guru of the battle network games. Now if you think about it, Seranade says after you defeat him/her that \"the battle lasted for day(s)\". If you look at Bass and consider the Manga, which picked up almost immediately after Bass escaped the Sci Lab/Official Net navi assault (this is the mini manga I heard of which mentions his encounter with Seranade, I remember hearing it took place STILL long before the manga\'s version of the first game), then that means that this is LONG before Bass had the invulnerable life aura of game 3, so even if Bass fought Seranade, he wouldn\'t last longer then a minute unless he was BassGospel for multiple reasons. 1: Bass (before the BN3) is Aura only reached a peak of what, about 120 or 150 points I THINK, I never faced Bass V3 in BN2. So if he fought Seranade, then he\'d have been super pwned because of the fact he had such a weak aura. And if the Manga is correct, then Bass had no Aura whatsoever due to that was before the Life Virus is time. Meaning he\'d have been massacred by Seranade. If he was BassGospel, he would have a true Life Aura which could survive the assault of most of Seranades techniques.

2: Bass has no techniques which could really hit Seranade except the Earth break, which if like in the manga, could easily have been Seen and COuntered By Seranade. If he was Bass Gospel however, he could use the Gospel Flame and drop those giant gospel claws on Seranade while he\'s making that portal attack, and thus actually be able to hold out longer. But otherwise Seranade could easily reverse all of Regular Bass is techniques.

3: Quite frankly, Seranade slightly hints that it\'s BassGospel he faced. I believe he mentions how the being of Darkness he faced is still in the Secret area. If your Manga is true, Seranade would have been able to call Bass by his name, not by some Metaphor. However, by saying that he\'s STILL in that area, that means he never left the secret area.

All of this together points to the idea that indeed Seranade fought BassGospel, and not regular Bass. I\'m sure that I can counter any counter arguement you got Mega-X, just throw em at me.


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Have you guys ever tried to finish the game with shield style? it\'s soooo easy. I killed Bass/Forte so fast that he couldn\'t say his prayers. If you didn\'t....try it :)


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Shield style is so awesome against Bass. Just reflect one of his blasts back at him, and it will hurt him and also destroy his barrier.:D

Erm, but back on topic. I think perhaps the reason Serenade was somewhat small was because, if you remember, his/her navi was a child. It does seem reasonable that bgot the operator and navi would try to put on that flase innocent appearance.

I can\'t help but believe the manga. Even if the game was first, the manga has so many more vivid plots and in-depth scenarios that seem to be a more reliable story-line. It\'s nice that the game makes a story-line that\'s easy to follow, but it doesn\'t exactly make for the best plot-line...

Of course, I do not read much manga myself. But I generally favor reliable manga-based sources over those of the games. The game does have a way of beeing simple-minded at times (cyber-relish, cyber bannana peel, etc.)


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Originally posted by Katoma_Mundara
Mega-X, I have a question: Do you always base your info on the Manga? If you do, then I\'m afraid you might as well stop trusting the manga, and for a few reasons. 1: When it comes to the .EXE (aka Battle Network) Series, the official source of data about it comes from the first made of the sources, in this case, contrary to MOST people\'s beliefs, is the games. These FIRST made sources are called \"Canon\". I know that you like the mangas and all, but I work in \"Canon\" data, because I\'m trying to become the Guru of the battle network games. Now if you think about it, Seranade says after you defeat him/her that \"the battle lasted for day(s)\". If you look at Bass and consider the Manga, which picked up almost immediately after Bass escaped the Sci Lab/Official Net navi assault (this is the mini manga I heard of which mentions his encounter with Seranade, I remember hearing it took place STILL long before the manga\'s version of the first game), then that means that this is LONG before Bass had the invulnerable life aura of game 3, so even if Bass fought Seranade, he wouldn\'t last longer then a minute unless he was BassGospel for multiple reasons. 1: Bass (before the BN3) is Aura only reached a peak of what, about 120 or 150 points I THINK, I never faced Bass V3 in BN2. So if he fought Seranade, then he\'d have been super pwned because of the fact he had such a weak aura. And if the Manga is correct, then Bass had no Aura whatsoever due to that was before the Life Virus is time. Meaning he\'d have been massacred by Seranade. If he was BassGospel, he would have a true Life Aura which could survive the assault of most of Seranades techniques.

2: Bass has no techniques which could really hit Seranade except the Earth break, which if like in the manga, could easily have been Seen and COuntered By Seranade. If he was Bass Gospel however, he could use the Gospel Flame and drop those giant gospel claws on Seranade while he\'s making that portal attack, and thus actually be able to hold out longer. But otherwise Seranade could easily reverse all of Regular Bass is techniques.

3: Quite frankly, Seranade slightly hints that it\'s BassGospel he faced. I believe he mentions how the being of Darkness he faced is still in the Secret area. If your Manga is true, Seranade would have been able to call Bass by his name, not by some Metaphor. However, by saying that he\'s STILL in that area, that means he never left the secret area.

All of this together points to the idea that indeed Seranade fought BassGospel, and not regular Bass. I\'m sure that I can counter any counter arguement you got Mega-X, just throw em at me.


Being with little knowledge of Manga, I never base it off of the Manga. Chew on that Kei, may I call you Kei?

Now, from what I understand:

Bass VS. Serenade occurs before Megaman VS. Serenade.

I also believe that the Secret Area emergence is the first (and as of now, last) of Bass GS.

Seeing as how the game makes it clear that Bass GS fuses after you beat Serenade, wouldn\'t we have to assume that it was Bass, or Bass SP that she fought?

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Actually you are wrong. After you beat the main storyline, you hear Bass talking, and then there\'s some growling words put up like Grrr...garrl or something like that, that was Gospel. Gospel was able to enter into the data of whatever remained of alpha\'s data. Gospel then found Bass, the 2 of them kinda being like brothers since Gospel is original form, the 2nd bass clone, was based on Bass. Bass could understand what Gospel said somehow. Gospel probly offered to help Bass since they were kinda related, but warned Bass that in order to free him they\'d need to become one, since only bugs could escape freely from the Alpha prison. Least this is my guess.


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I don\'t think it was that bugs that were needed to leave, but I think the cloning incident left a sort of connection. Bass was heavily damaged from Megaman, and used up a lot of energy absorbing the Guardian Program.

Wily said it would increase his power, but I think that\'s just a Wily lie.

I\'m assuming they were both about to die, and so they fled to gather enough bugs to fuse them. The trader is Gospel, or at least the growling is him, I assume that they don\'t fuse until you give all the needed frags. Only after you do, do the Navis talk about the power.

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Actually Mega-X, remember what the Guardian program was! The guardian program was a compiler, a thing supposed to seal up data on programs. It sealed Alpha is data so that the program itself had to be destroyed before Alpha is full strength could be utilized. This is exactly what happened to Bass. Bass absorbed the guardian and thus it become to compile him, cutting off the power of his Invincible Life Aura. But Wiley also wanted all the cyber world to be destroyed, so indeed he did lie that it would increase Bass is power, he hoped it would weaken Bass enough so that when he fought Megaman, they were 100% equal and thus simultaneously delete each other. It\'s true that Gospel had been damaged, but do you really think something made of millions of bugs which were super charged to immense strengths would die easily? No, Gospel only collected more bug fragments and used it to heal itself. Then when Gospel broke into the Alpha area it found Bass. I want to correct my saying that only bugs could escape, because Lan was able to escape with Megaman is help. So I think that only through something that is unstable AT TIMES. In Megaman and Lan is case, Full Synchronization caused Lan pain while fused with Megaman. In the fusion of Bass and Gospel, AKA BassGospel, there was the fact that the bugs themselves are very unstable, and thus probly able to escape.


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I wouldn\'t think stability was the problem, maybe the instability caused power surges which let them escape. Also, I think with something as powerful as Alpha, they wouldn\'t be able to use a generic limiter. It would have to specifically taliored to Alpha. Thus making it not limit Bass. Why Megaman was then able to defeat him. Yeah, the corniest of reasons. Willpower, determination, and being the good guys.

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i think that they should clarify wether serenade is female or not. but besides that i think the idea of him/her not looking very strong but kickin your @$$ the first 30 times is pretty cool.


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