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I was actually yelled at after being told to have a \"Merry Christmas\" once. Let\'s look at that, shall we?

Random person: Merry Christmas!

Me: Huh? Oh, I\'m not Christian and I don\'t celebrate Christmas.

Random Person: WELL YOU SHOULD! JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS! YOU SHOULD LOVE HIM FOR THAT!

Me: Sorry......necrophellia isn\'t my thing.

Then they left all angry-like. I wonder why...

I also got in troble with the Pledge to the flag. I said \"constitution\" instead of \"god\" and was dragged outside and questioned.

Teacher: Why didn\'t you say God?!

Me: Doesn\'t agree with my beliefs.

Teacher: But everyone has a God. That\'s one of the things that makes us equal in this country.

Me: No, some people have more than others. Some have none. I, personally, follow an atheistical dogma where I\'m my god. I don\'t run the country I\'m not going to say I do.

Teacher: Think about the other students, you might offend them!

Me: Why? They don\'t care if they offend me.

After that I was sent to an admin. Crazy huh? People are just stuck up.

Thing is: You can\'t not offend people as long as they have their heads up their asses. People who get offended by \"Happy Holidays\" are just as bad as people who get offended by \"Cracka.\"

And you guys know what? I don\'t have a holiday this month! So suck it up! Well I do but I\'ll bet you that you won\'t hear too many people wishing a happy winter solstice.


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That\'s not just political incorrectness. That is forcing their beliefs upon you.

I also agree with you about the constitution being more appropriate than God. Whether or not God exists isn\'t the point. The point is, that God shouldn\'t have anything to do with the constitution.

To think about it, telling you off for not believing in God was a very good example of religious persecution o.0

[Edited on 20/12/05 by Samsara]


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I don\'t expect other religions to change their greetings to avoid offending me. Why am I expected to?


Well I guess you don\'t understand that there are many incidents like with what Mettaur went through, there. If that person had just said \"happy holidays\" instead of Merry Christmas, there would have been no arguement.

And you don\'t have trouble saying Merry Christmas actually.. Go up to a psychotic redneck christian and say \"Happy Kwanzaa\" and see the reaction. :P

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May I also point out that most of the time, when people sayy \"merry Christmas\" (not in the above case) they don\'t actually mean to make any connection with the nativity, or even anything to do with Christianity. To many people, Christmas has become an excuse to get off work/school, to give and receive presents and just to generally have fun! Obviously, if the person is Christian, like the person Mr. Match talked about, they probably celebrate Christmas for the religious reasons.

If a Hindu told me to enjoy Diwarli, I would thank them, smile and continue wlaking. I wouldn\'t spit back at them that I am not Hindu and that they should Be Christian, too. And that\'s not Political Correctness, it\'s common courtesy.


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lmao

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That wasn\'t Mr. Mettaur who posted, Hollow, it was Match. But THAT wasn\'t about the person saying Happy Holidays! As a matter of fact, Match probably would have then just said, \"Huh? Oh, I don\'t celebrate any holidays at this time of year.\" However, this dude/girl is obviously one of those Christian d*cks, so them saying \"Happy Holidays\" would not change the way the react to anyone who doesn\'t celebrate Christmas... and the way they said it was them saying it.

Um, in other words your coment would have made more sense if it had been some OTHER person who said the second comment.

Now, AirMan, I hope you weren\'t referring to Match, because (at least as far as he posted) he didn\'t say anything like that, he just said he wasn\'t Christian.

As for that second comment Necro made... hm, maybe I should try that... certianly easy enough to find! I listened to three of them trying to discuss politics this morning... it was funny...

Merry Christmas, I\'m not Christian! :P

Edit- By the way; That seems to be a mostly Christian board.

[Edited on 12/21/2005 by God]

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[Edited on 12/22/2005 by God]

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Maybe I\'m the only one that doesn\'t wish people happy holidays unless I\'m sure I know what it is they celebrate.

I tell people that I know celebrate Christmas \"Merry Christmas.\" And the same with my Jewish friends. I tell them to enjoy they difficult to spell holiday.

I only tell other pagans to have a joyous Winter Solstice.

What I\'m saying is know what offends people before you say anything. I personaly know a few individuals of African desent that aren\'t offended by the \"n-bomb.\" Do I say it to them? No. It may not be offencive to those few but might be to some around them.

I do it to avoid conflict. I\'m just looking out for myself.

You never know who\'s quick to throw a punch.


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...So are you saying you were offended by the person who told you \"Merry Christmas?\"

People who get \"offended\" are just pricks. In most cases anyway... there\'s rarely something that a person should actually get offended by, and even more rarely is it a word or phrase of some sort (in fact, the only applicable one(s) I can think of are the racial terms Wind used, and then you should only be offended if they are NOT used to refer to you/someone specifically).

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That wasn\'t Mr. Mettaur who posted, Necro, it was Match.


Last I checked I wasn\'t Necro.

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Match probably would have then just said, \"Huh? Oh, I don\'t celebrate any holidays at this time of year.\" However, this dude/girl is obviously one of those Christian d*cks, so them saying \"Happy Holidays\" would not change the way the react to anyone who doesn\'t celebrate Christmas..


No, Match wouldn\'t have any problems with Happy Holidays because he celebrates Winter Solstice and that is his \'happy holiday\'. So therefore that entire arguement could have been avoided with a simple \"Happy Holidays\" instead of \"Merry Christmas\". But since that person seemed to be a Christian wackjob that thinks everyone and anyone is also Christian, they said Merry Christmas and actually got offended after hearing that Match doesn\'t celebrate it. They wouldn\'t have gotten offended with a simple change of words. That\'s what I\'m trying to get at here.

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People who get \"offended\" are just pricks.


Sure you aren\'t a Christian wackjob? Because you sure seem to jump to conclusions and shuve your opinions down others throats awfully quickly.

(Note to X and others: You are not a Christian wackjob. These are extremists that should very well belong to the KKK [and some of them surely do] and others that aren\'t true Christians.)

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Edit- By the way; That seems to be a mostly Christian board.


I sure hope you don\'t believe that. This board is far from Christian.


About political correctness, it all depends. It had a good intention but became corrupted. People take it too far and hurt more than help. For example, it waters down translations, stories, customs, and cultures. Political correctness of today, I do not agree with.

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Now, AirMan, I hope you weren\'t referring to Match, because (at least as far as he posted) he didn\'t say anything like that, he just said he wasn\'t Christian.




I wasn\'t referring to anyone in particular. It was a general statement o.0


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Stupid, but can be turned into something VERY funny if the words are pieced together right.

Example: Politically Correct Holiday Stories

F\'ing HILARIOUS.


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Example: Politically Correct Holiday Stories

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lol You and your damn avatars! *shakes fist*

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No, Match wouldn\'t have any problems with Happy Holidays because he celebrates Winter Solstice and that is his \'happy holiday\'.

Yeah, but his first thought was to say \"I don\'t have one,\" then second was the Winter Soltice, so I went with the first. Don\'t know why O_O. But. Based on his post, Match wasn\'t offended. If he was, he didn\'t show/mention it (in post or in real life) he just said it casually. And the point of these \"non-Merry-Christmas\" advocaters is that it\'s supposed to be offensive. If someone tells me Happy Rammadan (did I spell that right?), I\'ll say thanks. Or I\'ll say nothing. And, I don\'t think the decorations and other such things could cause such an altercation unless somebody walks up flaming them, \"OMG U HAVE A XMUS TREE!11one!.\" All cause by said certian group of people, NOT the ones who just say \"Merry Christmas\" unless they also happen to be that type. BY the way. If I was in another country, such as *insert Muslim coutry here,* I would expect themainly Muslim to say Merry/Happy *insert Muslim holiday here.* Regardless of whether the country has an official religion or not. Take Buddhists, for example. The ones who are most focused on peace. They are allowed to celebrate any holiday they want to within the scope of the religion (and if I\'m not mistaken, Satanists are too).

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Sure you aren\'t a Christian wackjob? Because you sure seem to jump to conclusions and shuve your opinions down others throats awfully quickly.

Yeah. I am. Because I don\'t shove my opinions down others\' throats, I simply state them without being \"careful\" or other such things and say them flat out. I don\'t try to take others to my religion (or non-religion), or, even worse yet, flame somebody over an anime character they do or don\'t like. But there are certian opinions, such as racism, that are NOT okay to have. Politics, who should fight a war, what religiogn you are, and even whether it\'s \"natural\" or not to be gay (as long as you treat them the same and are not prejudiced or advocating anti-gay laws) are just opinions that people should/can have. But how you treat people is an entirely different matter, and if you\'re going to start flaming/yelling at people just because they said \"Merry Christmas\" or \"Happy Waitangi Day\" or made a joke about YOUR CULTURE THAT IS A STEREOTYPE WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WHY IT\'S A JOKE BECAUSE IF YOU HONESTLY THOUGHT THAT ALL SUCH PEOPLE WERE THAT WAY YOU PROBABLY WOULDN\'T BE MAKING JOKES ABOUT THE STEREOTYPE THAT IS NOT then that is not okay.

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Edit- By the way; That seems to be a mostly Christian board.


I sure hope you don\'t believe that. This board is far from Christian.

I was talking about the board I linked to.

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I wasn\'t referring to anyone in particular. It was a general statement o.0

I said \"hope,\" because I wasn\'t sure.

and yes I agree with you Rockman, they have books on the subject... or rather, destroying the subject.

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lol You and your damn avatars! *shakes fist*


What is my avatar hypnotizing you or something :P It shouldn\'t plus you can Thank Naruto-kun.com for it.
Anyways Political Correctness is the illusion that we are making everyone happy by saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.


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Lol, I really hope people stop that debate, just let people sa what they want and be done with it. I find it annoying to hear people swear, but that\'s their choice.


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Because I don\'t shove my opinions down others\' throats, I simply state them without being \"careful\" or other such things and say them flat out.


Ah, alright. Then you have no tact. Whichever.

The thing is, you\'re saying that people get offended over Merry Christmas, which is true. But there are plenty who are angry that they have to say Happy Holidays (and these are usually folks who want to say Merry Christmas). I personally find it ridiculous that people think that it\'s \'against their religion\' or what have you, when they can\'t say Merry Christmas to people they don\'t know. While Happy Holidays means the same damned thing (just for you SephirothXX). I also find it ridiculous how, alot of these people who feel \"oppressed\" for not being able to say Merry Christmas, would blow their tops if a Muslim, Pagan, or any other religion approached THEM and said \"Happy Insert Religious Holiday Here\".

My uncle\'s a wonderful sexist bigot, and also has no tact. He doesn\'t consider Kwanzaa \"real\", and I don\'t even want to know what he thinks of Pagans and Jews. He blurts out things at the wrong time..if someone told him happy kwanzaa, I\'m sure he\'d laugh or make a sarcastic comment. But if it was just Happy Holidays...then again, everyone\'s happy and not arguing.

I don\'t see why it\'s so hard, honestly.

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Back when I still thought that \"Happy Holidays\" was a bit anti-Christian, I remember that I got really pissed off when the deli at my christian school had a huge sign that said \"Happy Holidays\".

Now, at first I was pissed and was going to go complain, but decided not to after being hit by the figurative truck of reason.

Of course, if they ended up outright refusing to write Merry Christmas, that would have been one thing, considering that it was a private christian school, and that anyone who would be offended by it, and didn\'t celebrate Christmas would probably not have been there in the first place, but things being as they were, I let it go.

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I\'ve got a simple solution to all of this Happy Christmas VS Happy Something or another Jazz...

From now on, whenever I see anybody, I\'m simply going to tell them to \"Enjoy the damn snow\" and leave it at that.

Seriously, the first person to get offended by that gets bricked.:mad:


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I also find it ridiculous how, alot of these people who feel \"oppressed\" for not being able to say Merry Christmas, would blow their tops if a Muslim, Pagan, or any other religion approached THEM and said \"Happy Insert Religious Holiday Here\".

Yes, that is bad, and hypocritical. I think we should say whatever we want. If a person doesn\'t like it, they can say so, \"Please dont\' say that to me, I find it uncomfortable,\" or they can say they don\'t celebrate X holiday if they really find it nessecery. I personally don\'t say anything at all.



My uncle\'s a wonderful sexist bigot, and also has no tact. He doesn\'t consider Kwanzaa \"real\", and I don\'t even want to know what he thinks of Pagans and Jews. He blurts out things at the wrong time..if someone told him happy kwanzaa, I\'m sure he\'d laugh or make a sarcastic comment. But if it was just Happy Holidays...then again, everyone\'s happy and not arguing.

I don\'t see why it\'s so hard, honestly.

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if someone told him happy kwanzaa, I\'m sure he\'d laugh or make a sarcastic comment

That\'s fine, if he thinks it was made up, as for the other holidays, he should levae them alone. But so what if there is no fighting? If it\'s going to be fighting over something so stupid anyway, the people should be smart enough to not care.

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Ah, alright. Then you have no tact. Whichever.

I never found \"tact\" nessecery, unless you\'re trying to make a business deal or something.

Oh yeah... there is a thread for the discussion of \"Happy Holidays,\" and this isn\'t it.

[Edited on 12/23/2005 by God]

[Edited on 24-12-2005 by Dr. Cossack]

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Tact is necessary if you respect others and want to be courteous.

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I think we should say whatever we want. If a person doesn\'t like it, they can say so,


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If you simply find it not funny, that is okay. If you found it offensive, that is not oay.


It\'s funny. They cancel eachother out...

Anyways, people say Merry Christmas to me all the time. I don\'t get offended much because I live in America and Christmas is a nation and very, very common holiday, people can mistake you for being a Christian and say Merry Christmas. Plus a lot of people celebrate Christmas too. People make mistakes...


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I think you should ignore her, Zera. Don\'t feed the trolls. :)

And yes, I noticed today just how much Christmas is mentioned in this country. Again that\'s not a bad thing, I just find it interesting.

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I was looking at the snow globe my sister got for christmas it has a CHRISTMAS TREE in it and it says Happy Holidays I suppose that was the politically correct thing to do even though I don\'t think people who celebrate Hanukah are going to buy a snow globe with a Christmas tree in it. Honestly Political correctness has gotten out of hand.


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...what\'s wrong with a christmas tree snowglobe saying Happy Holidays? Happy Holidays still means Merry Christmas you know. It\'s not like Happy Holidays means \"every holiday BUT Christmas\".

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Example: Politically Correct Holiday Stories

... Let me guess you watch Blue Collar TV don\'t you.



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That was so TOTALLY out of line I should slap you but I won\'t because I\'m a nice guy. Politically Correct Holiday Stories is a book that came with my mom\'s raffle basket thingy that she won. Now unless you have a problem with that(like you do with every single other post of mine), then you can kiss my floating green sunflower backside.

And I know, that was very politically incorrect.

[Edited on 29-12-2005 by rockmaniskool]


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Dude, there was no reason to get snippy.... Dranzer thought you watched Blue Collar TV because it sounded like something they\'d talk about, I\'m sure.

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Maybe, but he\'s done that same damn thing to me about 2 other times already. I\'m TIRED of it.

[/off topic ranting]

[Edited on 3-1-2006 by rockmaniskool]


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Black Dranzer seems to get on people\'s nerves kind of easy..reminds me of a miniature version of myself!

Well, at least we\'re over the holidays..but what happens when Easter comes along? :P

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