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After finishing out Megaman X: Command Mission and playing through a lot of old glory in the Megaman X Collection, a very odd thought came to me: how is the elder reploid in Giga City older than X? I reasoned out that X was not a reploid, but rather, a model for the others, and was possibly also in suspended animation for a long time while reploids developed. That made sense.

But then I thought about it a while longer, and realized, why is there an \"elder reploid\" and a \"young reploid\" in Giga City? Does this imply that the reploids age? The elder isn\'t rusted or outdated or anything. He\'s wrinkled like an older human becomes later on in life. Then it suddenly came to mind that Gate \"constructs\" these animalistic reploids that later become mavericks. Now, if it is true that reploids really do build other reploids (I\'m assuming Gate wasn\'t a human since Alia once loved him and he was able to contract the Zero virus), why would there be a very young or very old reploid? It wouldn\'t make any sense to build them like that; they would be built as adults for the sake of efficiency. This seems to bring up an interesting point: in order for there to be a decidedly youthful reploid, doesn\'t there have to be some form of reproduction amongst reploids? Unless, by some marvel of technology, they can actually build reploids as babies, which develop like humans as they age?

After playing Command Mission, there\'s just so much that doesn\'t make sense.:eek:

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First off, although you\'re right that Gate is a reploid, I think it\'s faulty to say that his relationship with Alia means that- In Megaman Zero, there was a relationship between a human and a reploid mentioned (And I don\'t mean Zero and Ciel.) Anyway, on that regard, said Reploid, named Andrew, told a story to you if you went and talked to him. (I believe this particular instance was in the first game.) He told of a human woman he had once fallen in love with and spent his life with. However, she aged and he did not, and she began to resent that. So eventually he asked Ciel to make him \"old\" so that he would be like his wife (or girlfriend. It didn\'t mention marital status.) Now, if reploids aged, then why would he have had to ask Ciel to age him? And keep in mind that Megaman Zero reploids may very well be more advanced that Megaman X reploids because of the century or so that has passed. I think that, for some unknown plot-device, some reploids are just made to exist as they are, and not necessarily be efficient.

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Ah, I see your point about Alia there.

Still, on one occassion, the young child seems to idolize your group of maverick hunters. If I remember correctly, he even mentions wanting to grow up to be one. I also seem to remember the elder reploid telling X to \"enjoy being young,\" or something to the effect. It can\'t make sense to say that those reploids have been their age since the beginning of time, since the young one wants to \"grow up\" and the old one seems to insinuate that X will too.


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Then how do you explain the reploid that had to be made an older body because he doesn\'t age on his own...? Or the fact that X and Zero never do age? I know that X is a cyber-elf in MMZ, but he still existed for nearly a century before that and still looked young. But then... Capcom doesn\'t always keep much continuety, does it? I see where you\'re coming from, although it doesn\'t actually make much sense on Capcom\'s part.

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X being around for more than a century should be proof enough that reploids can\'t age (since reploids are based on X\'s design). Yet, X seems to spend quite some time on a sleep mode. We see that in the intro to Command Mission, as well as the beginning of X6. Even Zero sleeps, by his X4 intro. Maybe that could affect the potential aging process. However, aging seems completely pointless for robots, since they would start and end weak, while having a more... \"efficient\" period in the middle of their lifes. Why limit them artificially?

Besides, if robots / reploids can dream (again, Zero in X4 and X in X6), how close could they be to humans? It makes you wonder about how far these things can go.

Now, I\'m stretching things here, but there\'s something to consider if the upcoming Rockman ZX indeed happens in a further future (that hasn\'t been confirmed yet as far as I know, but it looks likely). Apparently, by that time, reploids and humans are so close to each other that they can \"share\" abilities, such as humans using metallic armors and the like. Maybe that could include aging, reproduction and the like...

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Then I suppose it\'s safe to say that Command Mission just messed up with the two reploids who mentioned age? Is Command Mission even canon to the rest of the series?


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Perhaps you should look at it another way:

Said kid said he wanted to \'grow up\'. Maybe he just meant he wanted to be (re)built as an \'older\' reploid later on?

And the old man, perhaps he just meant X might want to become/look older later on in his \'life\', just like Andrew.


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But by the example of Andrew, changing age is an unheard of process, and his ability to age was something most would not want to have. I doubt there would be that many reploids who chose to change their age. I don\'t see why anybody would want to change their body to an older one either. As you age, your body just becomes weaker overall. Why would the elder insinuate that Megaman might want to become weaker? It wouldn\'t make him any wiser just to have an older body.


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Maybe he was referring to mentally? Maybe both he and the reploid child were?

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Yeah, the ZX promotional material references that Reploids can age at that point in time, which would mean they couldn\'t in the X series.

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Yeah, the ZX promotional material references that Reploids can age at that point in time, which would mean they couldn\'t in the X series.


Ah. That sheds a lot of light on things.

I don\'t think the kid could grow up to be a maverick hunter just mentally. He stands out as being a way younger looking model than all the other reploids. Unless, of course, it is true that they have different mind frames. But then why be made a kid in the first place?


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Then I suppose it\'s safe to say that Command Mission just messed up with the two reploids who mentioned age? Is Command Mission even canon to the rest of the series?


Why wouldn\'t it be? As far as I\'m concerned, it\'s canon without any problems, since it doesn\'t contradict anything already established.


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Yeah, the ZX promotional material references that Reploids can age at that point in time, which would mean they couldn\'t in the X series.


Unless those few odd reploids in Command Mission were prototypes for that \"aging\" ability. It could make sense, since Giga City is the place where Force Metal was discovered, and that mineral granted reploids with new possibilities.


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Well, more accurately, ZX talks about Reploids having Lifespans, which isn\'t the same thing. But I\'d imagine that aging would come first in the discovery process.

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Well, er, it\'s not neccessarily non-canon, but the whole aging thing really throws me for a loop. I guess it is possible they\'re prototypes for the aging process described in the other series. But I\'m still not quite sure why they\'d want to in the first place; back then, I mean, when humans and reploids lived so seperately.


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Remember that reploids were "iplanted with bioorganic parts" That might have implied that in the future reploids were given the capacity to age because "As time passed Reploids and humans became more attached in a new era of peace" thus maybe humans were starting to treat the reploids more like "Humans with emotions and feelings" and not just sensless machines. Besides if they gave them the possibility of aging that didnt meant that the older models who didnt have it would be re-buildeed, It would be incredibly expensive so maybe the newest reploids are the ones that age.

And remember that X´s mind "Has a 14-15 year old age WITH THE POSSIBILTY TO MATURE2 or age) so if reploids could age mentally, maybe they did physically as well because of need. And who knows, if in Megaman XZ Humans could implant parts in them with Live metal, maybe Reploids could become more "organic" As stated in Legends series that "The master was the last true human alive" Implying (I believe) That in some point humans and reploids "mixed" or "combined" thus creatind the Carbons. Maybe not directly but, if DNA technology advanced enough I believe that Human DNA and Reploid DNA could be combined thus creating an hybrid race (Carbons) and the same could appply if the reploids were granted with more organic parts that could let the live "more like humans, less than robots"


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As far as aging reploids goes, I think they're built to look older or younger depending on request. A reploid could request a son or daughter and get's a lil' reploid child, hence a younger reploid. Whereas that same reploid could ask to be rebuilt to look older, hence aging. These things of course would serve no real purpose. Merely cosmetic changes to satisfy whims and such.

You have to remember, at this point humans and reploids are pretty much equals, in terms of respect AND thinking. So reploids are prone to "wanting" things just as much as we are. :P

My point? These things happen merely because the reploids want them to. They don't HAVE to age, and can't do it anyway on their own.

I assume X hasn't aged very much over the years because he wishes to remain youthful in and his prime in order to watch over the world like he promised Dr. Light he would.


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Why would you wish to become an old reploid? Excepting Andrew, of course.

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That's really where I get thrown: the subject of why anyone (besides in a very special case) would want to be old. Besides the implausibility of a reploid just wanting to be old, there's also the strangeness of anyone else besides the subject of the aging wanting to build a reploid to look old. Maybe it's for respect? But then again, the reploids in the city also seem to keep the posture and junk, and that looks inconvenient. Being a reploid in child form would be just as limiting, with the lack of a developed body and all.


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That's really where I get thrown: the subject of why anyone (besides in a very special case) would want to be old. Besides the implausibility of a reploid just wanting to be old, there's also the strangeness of anyone else besides the subject of the aging wanting to build a reploid to look old. Maybe it's for respect? But then again, the reploids in the city also seem to keep the posture and junk, and that looks inconvenient. Being a reploid in child form would be just as limiting, with the lack of a developed body and all.


There's something that I just thought about: maybe the growing time between child and adult would replace X's 30 years of ethical testing. Instead of sealing away reploids to make sure that they are fine, they are built as children so they'd get more experience before going on with their real duties as adults.


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Didn't he end up getting locked away for 100 years?

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Yes, but Dr. Light's plan called for 30 years of testing. The tests ended successfully, but with no one around to open the capsule, X slept until Dr. Cain came along a century later.


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Why would you wish to become an old reploid? Excepting Andrew, of course.


You forget that reploids are now living in synch with humans. And having the same psychological capabilitites as we do, now, it must be pretty hard to live forever and watch all your human friends die before you.

Aging is probably a way for them to feel in tune with their old human buddies, who knows?

Anywho, that's the only explanation I have. Other than that, we can chalk it up to Capcom not putting rediculously extensive thought into every little detail of their games. :P

I mean, heaven forbid they should do ANYTHING that doesn't make sense, right? :P

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I mean, heaven forbid they should do ANYTHING that doesn't make sense, right? :p


Damn straight.