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Hmm. I'll have to check it out sometime.

I don't think there is a pure original strain of the Maverick Virus anymore. The entire virus was transferred over to Sigma, where it mutated. However, when the Sigma Virus and the Colony Virus fused, it created a virus that was equal or almost equal to the original Zero Virus in data and format. It's a copy virus, but still dangerous.

And I think there was a rumor about Wily and Isoc. Also Wily and Serges, too. After all, Serges was the one who rebuilt and upgraded Zero in X2. But no one has confirmed the whole Wily/Serges/Isoc connections.

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Hmm. I'll have to check it out sometime.

I don't think there is a pure original strain of the Maverick Virus anymore. The entire virus was transferred over to Sigma, where it mutated. However, when the Sigma Virus and the Colony Virus fused, it created a virus that was equal or almost equal to the original Zero Virus in data and format. It's a copy virus, but still dangerous.

I always thought that the pure virus strain was still partly in Zero, it just required a viral energy of a certain combination to feed itself.

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It probably left traces of itself in Zero, or that there was remnant data strains left behind in Zero, and when the rebuilt Zero Virus infects Zero in the massive quantities, the program resurfaces and takes control of Zero.

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A computer virus can't be spread too thin, can it? Still, Sigma would have SOME control over whomever he was infecting, so in the end, he could have revived himself. And plus, he was infecting and controlling Gate. Also, Gate got the Zero Virus corrupting him beyond that when he tried his little fusion whoop-dee-doo.

Isoc actually could have been Sigma, I will stand on that theory until a solid, backed-up argument comes forth. See, the 8 investigators were really sent to finish off Zero, correct? They were all Maverick, correct? Isoc was Maverick, correct? He ordered the investigation, correct?

It seems as if Gate and Isoc were Sigma's main hosts until he had a body. But he wouldn't have died. Computer viruses can't be spread too thin. He was hived up in Eurasia, too, and he had te Virus in Zero to collaborate with and fall back on.

And just a thing I noticed - see how the Sigma Virus affected Zero the most, and drove all others insane? Same wih the Nightmare. Soooo... the Nightmare could have been a new form of Sigma Virus.

Whoa, doesn't Zero have immunity to the sigma virus since it all started with him and his Zero virus? And how could get inside Zero again?

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... did you even bother to read my post about it? Zero was NOT immune, he was still affected by it (albeit in a positive way), and it was NOT the Sigma Virus that reinfected him, it was a rebuilt Zero Virus. The Virus that came from him and could easily return to its original systems.

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... did you even bother to read my post about it? Zero was NOT immune, he was still affected by it (albeit in a positive way), and it was NOT the Sigma Virus that reinfected him, it was a rebuilt Zero Virus. The Virus that came from him and could easily return to its original systems.

..........I did now. When he was first rebuilt, the virus was too?

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No. During X5, when the Sigma Virus merged with the Colony Virus, it created a new Virus that matched the data of the original Zero Virus. Thus, Zero's systems would recognize it and allow it entry.

If you play the Maverick Zero storyline (failing to sufficiently destroy Eurasia), most of that recombined Virus enters Zero's systems and turns him Maverick. If you destroy the colony, you destroy most of the Colony Virus, and while the rest of the Colony Virus forms the Zero Virus, but there isn't enough of it to reactivate Zero's original core programming.

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No. During X5, when the Sigma Virus merged with the Colony Virus, it created a new Virus that matched the data of the original Zero Virus. Thus, Zero's systems would recognize it and allow it entry.

If you play the Maverick Zero storyline (failing to sufficiently destroy Eurasia), most of that recombined Virus enters Zero's systems and turns him Maverick. If you destroy the colony, you destroy most of the Colony Virus, and while the rest of the Colony Virus forms the Zero Virus, but there isn't enough of it to reactivate Zero's original core programming.

OOOOOOhhhhh okay. I never failed that part. Where did the colony virus come from?

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Sigma and Wily made it and had Dynamo (who was never infected, strangely,) distributed it inside Eurasia.

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Sigma and Wily made it and had Dynamo (who was never infected, strangely,) distributed it inside Eurasia.

Maybe Dynamo had immunity. Where the hell did Wily come from!?

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Have you even PLAYED MMX5 all the way through?

I don't know why Dynamo didn't get infected, I really don't care either.

Also, between X4 and X5, Sigma found and spoke to some incarnation of Wily. Sigma says to Zero after you beat his second form that he found someone that he "could almost call your father!" Hence, Wily. He stated in X's ending that his "new ally" built him his new battle body.

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Have you even PLAYED MMX5 all the way through?

I don't know why Dynamo didn't get infected, I really don't care either.

Also, between X4 and X5, Sigma found and spoke to some incarnation of Wily. Sigma says to Zero after you beat his second form that he found someone that he "could almost call your father!" Hence, Wily. He stated in X's ending that his "new ally" built him his new battle body.

1. yes I have played X5 all the way through just been a long time.

2.Incarnation?

3.Does Wily not know the danger that is Sigma? Sigma's a double-crosser

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1. Then I shouldn't have to answer these questions as you shouldn't have them.

2. I'm not going to even bother answering that.

3. Because Wily TOO is a double-crosser and besides, Sigma respects Wily because Wily is the reason Sigma is what he is.

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1. Then I shouldn't have to answer these questions as you shouldn't have them.

2. I'm not going to even bother answering that.

3. Because Wily TOO is a double-crosser and besides, Sigma respects Wily because Wily is the reason Sigma is what he is.

RisingDragon! I've had enough of this common sense and knowledge!

I hink the reincarnation of Wily had something to do with the Shadow Devil, as it is the sole Wily reference, and after the fight, it seems that Wily is indeed dead. Sigma said "you could call your father!" right? Meaning that the past-tense means he's dead. So I think the Shadow Devil was Wily's last battle incarnation.

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I can't help it! >.< It's an automatic reaction!

No, please, not the mindwipe room!

Also, you forget, he could be a specialized AI hologram like Dr. Light.

Edited by RisingDragon on November 2, 2006 at 14:49:05.

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1. Then I shouldn't have to answer these questions as you shouldn't have them.

2. I'm not going to even bother answering that.

3. Because Wily TOO is a double-crosser and besides, Sigma respects Wily because Wily is the reason Sigma is what he is.

1. Long time

2. Wily can't have an incarnation since he's still alive

3. I didn't know that.

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How can Wily be alive? It's been over a hundred years since the last Mega Man game, and Wily was old then. I seriously doubt he'd be alive, or it wouldn't have been Sigma that X had to contend with, it'd be Wily and Zero.

Instead, it's X and Zero, and later Axl, against Sigma.

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Well maybe Wily created a robot body for himself. Or he really is Dr. Weil in disguise. Either way I'll beat him back to hell!

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I fail to see how you're going to send a fictional character back to hell.

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Fanfiction.

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Well maybe Wily created a robot body for himself. Or he really is Dr. Weil in disguise. Either way I'll beat him back to hell!

*cough*shadowdevil*cough*

Sorry, allergies, y'know?

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I fail to see how you're going to send a fictional character back to hell.

Like THD said, "Fanfiction" I can kill off anyone I feel like. Most of the Time however I'm wandering around in Hell flaying demons.

Either way it appears that when the Virus re-enters Zero he seems to lose his memory of X and thinks that he is an enemy. Thus the fact that X has to fight Zero but in the end Zero seems to remember X and saves X from Sigma's clutches.

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I fail to see how you're going to send a fictional character back to hell.

Like THD said, "Fanfiction" I can kill off anyone I feel like. Most of the Time however I'm wandering around in Hell flaying demons.

Either way it appears that when the Virus re-enters Zero he seems to lose his memory of X and thinks that he is an enemy. Thus the fact that X has to fight Zero but in the end Zero seems to remember X and saves X from Sigma's clutches.

What if, the virus is what contained all of zero's original programming and memeories because went to sigma when he infected him and created the sigma virus. Only by infecting zero with a simalar virus could he get back all the origanl stuff he lost.

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What do you think I've been explaining all this time!? Duh! He (tried to) infect Zero with a virus so similar it was more or less a copy of the original Maverick Virus. Zero's original programming was there; remember that X and Zero's systems are so strange and foreign that no one can scan them properly. So it's in there, it just needed the Virus to resurface.

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Point is, it's a stupid death that's not befitting of them. Especially when Zero survived, but they didn't. What the hell.

I completely agree. They had a totally dishonorable end. That's the first thing that came to my mind when I first found out. They might as well have had them all slip on a banana peel and die. One after the other. It's kinda hilarious in a way!

Having to live as a biometal ain't too cool either. Better than nothing...I guess.

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Yeah, and this was Weil's lab, right? If it's gone in the explosion, where did he get the materials to build Ragnarok?

And the Guardians were kind of dumb to stand there and watch as Omega blew up...

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How did they even find pieces of the guardians after that explosion to make the biometals?

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I... don't think they needed fragments of the Guardians to make the Biometals.

Edited by RisingDragon on January 2, 2007 at 10:47:33.

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Well that's a neat little trick.

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How did they even find pieces of the guardians after that explosion to make the biometals?

And where did Ragnarok come from? Weil's lab. It probably took the scraps of the lab up with it, including the remains of the Guardians (and Omega), and when it hit the ground, alas! Fragments of the Guardians to use for biometal! And some of Omega...

Weren't the Guardians originall called the Four Generals? No? Okay.

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