Good thing I don't have to cater to you, then.

Um... yeah... That seemed a little... well, rude, Hollow. (Okay, it's Hollow, I know, I know.) I mean, I'm kinda flattered, but... I guess it seemed a tad uncalled for...

Oh, and Doc- I was always taught when I was young that it's rude to ask someone their salary. ^^;

-Ri

I wasn't talking about his art though, I was talking about his attitude.

What's wrong with my attitude?

Not being a pen-on-paper artist myself--I'm more of a performance artist (read: Acting) myself--but I think maybe Hollow is saying that you shouldn't expect commissions, or even draw for that reason. I think that Hollow is saying that commissions should be an honor, not something to plan for.

I draw because I enjoy it. But I'm not one of those seriously hardcore purist artists-I'd like to eat, thanks.

Well by jove you're a good sleuth Mega X! No one can just go "yeah I'm gonna get trained at Magic School Hogwarts and be able to sell 80 dollar commissions". 80 dollar anime commissions are ridiculous by the way.

Also the way you've acted towards other artists who have done things for you, Helldragon. You seem very self-absorbed and I have a distinct distaste for "artists" like that.

All right. Let's pick apart the above post, boys and girls, and see what's wrong with it, mmmkay?

"No one can just go 'yeah I'm gonna get trained at Magic School Hogwarts and be able to sell 80 dollar commissions'. 80 dollar anime commissions are ridiculous by the way."

Okay...stop me if I'm wrong on this one, but...where exactly did I say this? When exactly did I say this? That's right. I didn't. Because I'm not stupid enough to think that A) commissions typically go that high, I can just start selling them willy-nilly without much effort, and C) that I don't deserve to make some part of a living off of my work. Screw that. I love the craft but I'll be damned if I can't get something else out of it. Lots of artists sell their work because they need money, boys and girls. Paying the bills, gettin' the food, all of that. Only people who don't do that are purist artists who don't make a dime off of their craft because they're dedicated solely to the craft, and I have great respect for that but in my world things don't swing that way.

"Also the way you've acted towards other artists who have done things for you, Helldragon. You seem very self-absorbed and I have a distinct distaste for 'artists' like that."

You call ME self-absorbed? YOU call ME self-absorbed?

HA!

Welcome to Interordi, everyone! Home to a bunch of people where no self-respecting newbie can get a damn chance because there are a bunch of elitist vultures all too ready to pick at his mistakes and make him feel sorry for himself. Some newbies are idiots but some aren't, but by all means, fire away at whoever because they're OBVIOUSLY beneath your superior measures.

Sure. I'll admit I've had my selfish moments. But I've never gone as far as some people do here, preying over board and chatroom and eager to slam the button out of PURE FUCKING FANCY.

Don't you insult my attitude, Hollow. My attitude is was mostly every other artist does these days.

Don't you call ME self-absorbed, Hollow. You're one of the worst offenders.

Prove me wrong.

Well acting is my craft, but I plan on having a steady-paying job to earn my food, while just having fun with acting on the side. That's just me, though.

...I didn't dislike you before now, but you're starting to kindle some unkind feelings.

Artists don't sell their work to pay bills. Artists sell their work on the sides of their actual jobs that pay the bills. It's laughable if you think commissions can be a career.

Also, keep digging that nice big hole there. Unlike you, this self-absorption of mine is an act I put on to get some cheap laughs.

*Post redacted*

It's true. This one was only worth $1.

One Dollar? I heard something that could be worth a little more than $1.

Edited by Coco on September 11, 2006 at 11:18:54.

Post redacted

I'll lay this out nice and easy for you...

ELitist Vultures, Show me one time we've used our veteran "rank" to have an excuse to "prey" on newer people,. Hell, before Hollow made a comment that WASN'T supposed to start this shit, I have never found anyone picking on you. Why? Because you were able to earn respect and trust. You see, people have to earn respect from others. You had good grammar and were fairly interesting, I know I respected you for being those things. Then you have this little outburst about how we are all elitist vultures, well, the ones we "prey" on are ones that aren't capable of earning respect because they will act like little immature brats that run their mouths about spamming like crazy. Do you know what happens to the people that prove they are incapable of being respected or trusted, banning. Look up Kiryu or megamantn's old posts sometime for an example. Then there's you, Hollow was just making a comment that he trusted Rioni, he's not saying he hates you. So you decide that you have to be so much more respected that Rioni and you decide that you have to eclipse her. So you start acting like a little egotistical brat that says "I'm so much better etc." Then you make up the excuse that you have the same attitude as all artists. Here you are without the ability to handle criticism, when you're an artist like you say you are, criticism should be easy to deal with; you would deal with it on paintings. But you can't seem to handle any criticism. Hollow takes regard for criticism, Ri does, hell I do and I rarely take crap from people. We don't like having to jam crap down people's throats, but when assholes start messing around, then we have issues because they can't get something damn straight, like what you're doing now. Sad to say you've lost my respect for you.

What's more, HD, after that, you've lost my respect. Should I dig up all the dirt on you? All the selfish pettiness that's why I won't even tell you what my new screenname is so I don't have to talk to you anymore? I didn't tell you all that before because I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but after this, I honestly don't care.

Elitist? Vultures? Who's the vulture here? You JOINED this board just for the sake of jumping to the defense of your art goddess, Iris, who didn't deserve the support. And you've ALWAYS had a bad attitude about your art. You don't DESERVE To have people pay you for it. Heck- some of the last few gifts I did for you on DA, you didn't even bother to comment on. Ever wonder why I didn't draw anymore?

You're never going to sell a commission. You know why? Because all you do is complain that you want to get better with your drawings, and complain about... how you don't like drawing. Yeah. That's right. That's what you really do. You want to get good at something you don't even LIKE. And that's why you'll never be good at it- because you don't love it, and you don't care enough to try. Some college course like you're planning on taking isn't going to magically make you better, isn't going to magically make it fun. Heck- when I took college art, it killed my artistic inspiration for a whole year.

You've always had a bad attitude, expecting help, expecting feedback, but never wanting to give any- and you're rude about other people's art. Do you have any idea how many times you've said things to me that made me stop drawing altogether for awhile? Heck, the comic I'm working on, I would have quit thanks to you if not for Silvy and Shad convincing me to continue.

You wanna air out Hollow's dirty laundry? I'll air out yours. If we're all "elitist vultures," then leave this board. I, for one, will not miss you.

Oh, by the way. I have never asked someone to pay for my art. I had someone approach me and request several pictures for a price. I talked them down to half that price because I didn't feel right taking so much money for something I love doing anyway.

-Ri

Wow.. Ri wins the internets.

Now all of this doesn't make you a horrible, horrible person like it might sound like we're saying. Because you're not. It just means you have a little growing up to in terms of your art. I remember there was a time when I had some growing up to do, because I was getting into a fight with Hollow a couple times a week.

Now Hollow and I get along great. Why? Because I realized that I messed up, and I worked hard to improve myself in the realm of communication. And once you finish improving somewhere, you always realize another place you need it too.

But now that I've been diplomatic, I have this incredible urge to yell STFU at someone for no apparent reason.

You can yell STFU at me, Mega X, and I won't take it personally.

-Ri

STFU, Rioni!

Yes...I found him to be incredibly hypocritical, since he just joined up to flame Nick and Nick's newbie friends because..that's what Iris came here to do. Yeah he sure wasn't being a mindless drone elitist, not at all.

Also I didn't reply in full to his post, because I didn't know enough of what he did, even though I DID know that he was very disrespectful towards Rioni. And personally..that's enough for me to dislike him. Rioni was very courteous to him, and put her heart and soul into art especially FOR him (yeah okay, I'm a sappy artist and use words like that..haha) and he didn't even bother to comment on them? Where's the thank yous, the admiration for Rioni taking time out to draw something just for him? Pfffft. Helldragon can join my ranks of worthless jerks who I avoid like the plague because of their little attitude problems. Thanks for posting all that Rioni, I didn't know how bad off he was.

Anyways, yeah Mega X..I actually consider you a "friend" now that you've calmed down. But oh wait..sorry, you're not part of my "clique"...you're not vulture-ish enough. Start pointlessly attacking defenseless newbies and then we'll talk.

Leave Rioni alone you angsty emo psychotic stalker.

Edited by HollowTorment on September 12, 2006 at 11:45:42.

Eh, the troll's just mad 'cause I pwned her on DA, Hollow. =P

-Ri

All right.

Usually I write out a vicious post in preparation to flame some idiot elsewhere, but thankfully my better judgment intervenes before I can post it. Unfortunately, that was not the case here.

Despite the offense I felt and still feel concerning my attitude toward my craft (which I believe I'm still within my boundaries to be offended), the claims I made in my earlier post were overly exaggerated. Now that a few days have gone by I've realized that the situation here isn't what I previously thought it to be, and I feel very guilty about what I've allowed myself to say here.

I apologize. I have overstepped my bounds and made claims which are most assuredly not true. Despite some of the problems that I feel are apparent within Interordi, I rather like a good lot of the members established here, and overall there is a good community set here. I have made a grave error in my judgment, and I definitely regret it.

It isn't just you... Erm, sorry for my part in it. ^^; *Guilty of being off-topic.*

-Ri