So recently, a friend of mine bought a PSP and Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection. He also showed me all of the ending movies there. Afterwards, I looked up some info on Tekken, and the Mishima's and Kazama's and all. I noticed how Tekken links with Soul Calibur on some parts.


First, there are Soul Edge (Male and Female, one in possession of Nightmare as of Soul Calibur, and one in possession of Cerventes de Leon ever since Soul Edge) and Soul Calibur (or Krita-Yuga, officially fated to belong to Chai Xianghua), as well as two other "holy" objects, Kali-Yuga, the holy bo-staff (Kilik's) and Dvapara-Yuga, the holy mirror (of which Kilik owns a piece), which has the ability to purify Soul Edge.
In Tekken, you have the Mishima clan's Devil Gene, which Jinpachi, Kazuya and Jin possess. On the other hand, the Kazama's possess the Angel Gene, which Jun (Jin's mother) and Asuka possess. (Which would logically mean that Jin possess both.)

Second, both game series are created by Namco. Even moreso, they are both created mostly by the same people.

Third, the character Yoshimitsu appears in both series, with the same name, same clan, same sword, same background, same robotic-y right arm and has the same basic information. It was even officially stated the creators of Tekken put Yoshimitsu into the Soul series.

Fourth, Heihachi appeared in Soul Calibur II's PlayStation version, supposedly having stepped through a "rift in time" to arrive at the scene of Soul Calibur II. After destroying Soul Edge, he left again, through another "time portal".


These three things lead me to believe that the Tekken and Soul series are in the same dimension, though take place in different time periods (the latter being obvious, since the Soul series take place in the 1500s and the Tekken series in the modern day world).

Also, I have come to think that Soul Edge and the Devil Gene, as well as the "Yuga" objects and the Angel Gene, are one and the same, that over the years, the evil and holy energies of the objects manifested themselves into their bearers (Siegfried Schtauffen, Kilik, Chai Xianghua), who passed it on to their children, and that these children or even these children's children, at least one person within each of the bloodlines who lived between 1600 and 1850, moved to Japan, where both got children with Japanese natives, in the Mishima and Kazuma clans respectively. (That, or they changed their names to Mishima/Kazuma.) Many years later, the evil and holy "energies" within both bloodlines manifested itself, as the Devil Gene and Angel Gene respectively, with Demon Jinpachi and Devil Kazuya and Devil Jin inheriting Nightmare's (Siegfried's) legacy, and the Kazama's (such as Jun and Asuka) inheriting Kilik and Chai Xianghua's duty to surpress this evil, and, if possible, vanquish it.


Thus, I say, I think the Tekken games and the Soul Calibur ones are in the same universe, but that they just take place in different time periods.

Edited by Morphman on March 4, 2007 at 0:42:09.

I know that the two Yoshimitsus are plot-wise just a coincidence, apparently. I guess they'd kind of be doppelgangers working by your theory. O_o;

The Soul Edge isn't any form of energy, though. One requires the actual Soul Edge itself, or a shard of it, to gain its powers. For instance, Nightmare is entirely embodied from the Soul Edge, Charade is created from a fragment of the Soul Edge, characters feel corrupt in its presence, then become primally consumed upon wielding it, etc. I wouldn't compare it to the Devil Gene, because that's kind of restricted to the Mishima bloodline.

Really, the two series are just such parallel ideas that it makes sense for Namco to make constant call backs from one to the other. They both are, and have always been, 3-D fighters with extremely similar systems. Given Namco's love for cameos, it's only logical that they would include concepts from one game in the other.

Besides, the only half of Nightmare that could reproduce, Siegfried is no longer evil. In fact, he used to the Soul Caliber most recently.

Then there is still Ivy, who is the product of Soul Edge, as she was concieved by Cervantes as he was possessed by Soul Edge after he had been revived by it. She lives with the evil energy within her, as Taki told her.

As of Soul Caliber III, she's in a Soul Caliber I/II Nightmare position, as in trying to escape that taint. I think she was trying to find the Soul Caliber at last check.

Edited by Mega X.exe on March 8, 2007 at 0:40:32.

On that note, there's further evidence that you actually need the Soul Edge itself to actually have any major changes. The only time in the entirety of SCIII that you really even get a hint that the Soul Edge birth is having any effect on Ivy is at the end, where she's actually within grabbing distance of the sword. Since her body's pretty, er... well-exposed, we can also tell that it's not having major mutation effects on her physical form as the sword is prone to do.

Edited by Heatman.EXE on March 8, 2007 at 14:55:11.