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Yeah, it certainly looks like you annihilated the guy. As for your argument... I can't help but agree with it.

People just seem to get dumber with each generation, don't they?

Eh, honestly, I've been bored lately, and I could use a good debate.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you as well. :hehe:

Ah parenthood... that has to be exciting, terrifying, and absolutely maddening.

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Now, I'm going to be curious to see how my older sister is going to parent her son. (He's about six months old right now...) Should be interesting when he gets to hit terrible two's. XP

I agree, punishment is often necessary... although, drawing upon my experience, my mom would attempt to ground me and spank me at the same time. I deified the grounding attempts though! But I did learn from spanking. XP

It is truly a fine balance of discipline when it comes to children. Punish too much and they'll be too scared. Don't punish and they'll walk all over you.

Eh, I dunno. I feel like physical punishment should be a last resort at the very least, used only when your child responds to nothing else.

I definitely agree with corporal punishment... people who refuse to give their kids a spanking just end up with bratty kids, and these kids... don't improve much through adulthood. Different kids do respond to different punishments in different ways- yeah, sometimes you'll get one of those kids when all you have to do is let them know you're mad, and that's enough- you know, the sensitive type. Me? When I was a kid, man, I deserved every swat I got. Other kids learn best from privileges taken away. Everyone's different, but in general, yeah, a lot of kids just need a good paddling.

I must say that in the way you put it, although you put it quite harshly, I agree with it. Punishment is necessary in bringing up a child, but one should also tell WHY they are being punished, because otherwise the child (and likely a lot of other people) will see it as abuse, and the child might turn out to become some violant maniac, and any other person would report you to some social service. On that note, I agree with Kia: too much punishment may not be a good thing, but no punishment at all isn't either.

Myself, I had that sort of upbringing. I wouldn't be smacked for crying, but I would if I would do something bad, such as hitting someone without reason or breaking something intently. At an early age, I had my mouth washed with the most horrible tasting soap ever, because I had learned a couple of bad words at school and kept saying them. Needless to say, I learned from it, although I was extremely angry at my parents at the time, and the next time I swore was more than a year after that.

If people really are discarding punishment (heck, I've even seen news of places where they wanted to FORBID punishment BY LAW), and if people are really becoming MORE violent in general, then one should be quite full of one's own stupidity to not be able to see that punishment MAY just be a good thing. Especially if we use it all the time with criminals.


On a side note,

Taken your theory, RD, our brains should be less developed than those of the lowest life-forms. :o

But really, scientific research says it that people are actually getting smarter with every generation. However, that very same research told that people are also getting more lazy and more prone to not use their brain in the way any person should.

Wait, why in hell were you arguing about child-rearing on a Transformers board? And why did you come to a Megaman one to brag about it?

(No idea if it's actually Transformers, just assumed so since the guy mentioned an action figure)

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A'right Wind. Consider the following: by responding to a misbehavior with physical force you are reinforcing the idea that physical force is not only effective, but the preferred way to end disputes.

Ahh, what are you kidding, when I screwed up bad in public, I'd get a smack up the back of my head to be corrected. Never did me any harm.

Some of these kids have to be beaten, though. Harshly. They have no respect for any of their elders whatsoever, and I think it's disgraceful...

Not to mention most of these little bundles of doom are all diagnosed with ADD and stuff now. I'll tell you what ADD is- it's not having creativity or daydreaming every once in a while, it's when you honestly cannot focus despite your best efforts. What they keep doing is reinforcing the whole 'Every kid is a winner!' idea.

Sorry, Charlie, but maybe Timmy isn't all that special. Maybe he's just stupid. It's perfectly okay, too, not all of us are destined for Harvard. Just keep him out of the gene pool.

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That's not to say that smacking a kid is always the answer, though. As I said- different children will respond differently. The biggest thing, though, is never to do it out of anger. That's where the line between punishment and abuse is crossed.

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Anti-spanking advocates argue chiefly that spanking is abusive, that it is ineffective, and that it teaches children that physical violence is an acceptable way to deal with other people. They point to the fact that scientific research has failed to back up any of the claims in favor of spanking while research has consistently shown that the number one predictor of violent behavior is whether someone comes from a home where violence is practiced, including a home where children are subjected to physical punishment. Some believe that spanking contributes to physical abuse in cases of domestic violence, bullying at school and physical abuse on siblings. Most violent criminals were spanked as children and many cases of bullying at school have been linked to physical abuse cases. Spanking is also criticized for being a violation of human rights. Many are concerned by the fact that spanking is a sexual activity enjoyed by large sections of the adult population and are afraid that spanking might constitute sexual abuse or cause sexual dysfunction.

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Ladies, please take this to the PMs plz.

That's why I'm suggesting it be taken to the PMs. Personal conflicts shouldn't be in public. That way, no one gets publicly shamed without deserving it.

I'm with X, if you want to talk argue about each others personal lives then please take the kid gloves off and use scathing PMs...>_<

Personally, I've had my ass whooped once or twice, and it has done some good; so, I think Wind's base is right, but he's a hair bit too extreme.

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So has anyone provided any empirical evidence that proves that corporal punishment works positively?

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In other words, the answer is no. Wind, if you're going to debate, make sure you can back up your statements. I mean, there are studies that show it has negative effects, but if those studies are biased--interesting claim to make, since I never specified which studies--"common sense" says that there would be a study that proves the opposite.

I could not tell you if one such existed. Now, obviously absence of evidence is most certainly not evidence of absence. Even so, the lack of such a study seems to indicate something.

Lastly, your argument that it's "common sense" is, in fact, complete and total bullshit. Setting aside the debate on whether or not it even is common sense, provided that it were, it would still be a fallacious argument.

Honestly, it's far too easy to blame the liberals for everything isn't it?

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