Image
Interordi Menu
Sakura
Aqua-cadet
Inactive
1027 posts
Quote

Okay so I was on youtube and it was a BBC special on Hiroshima. Then, some choch goes and talks about how Obama is a socialist/fascist, and a lot of people on the internet refer to Obama as a communist, or any of the above.

I want someone to explain to me why Obama is one or all of the following above.

Honesty, I want a communist or fascist dictator to overthrow the government and take over America, then maybe people will shut their mouths and realize that they are being giant drama queens.



Staff Backer Doctacosa
Admin
SciLab Official
Benevolent Dictator
Offline
6437 posts
Zenny
Zenny
Unlock all of the main forum features!
Acquired on 1 April 2014
Princess Celestia
Princess Celestia
Got all items in the AFD2012 event!
Acquired on 1 April 2012
Squid beaker
Squid beaker
Earned all 150 original CL achievements
Acquired on 17 January 2016
Unity.EXE emblem
Unity.EXE emblem
Defeat Bass.EXE in the AFD2013 event!
Acquired on 1 April 2013
Lilly Satou
Lilly Satou
Acquired on 1 April 2012

... and 25 more
Quote

Well, I can explain at least some of the critics.

The Obama administration has been quite active in saving (and borderline nationalizing) some companies that are failing partly because of the current economic storm. Some people believe that they should have let all these go down in bankruptcy, and that this level of involvment is close to socialism or communism. This comic illustrates that quite well.

Still, the current administration is only continuing the trend that began last September at the beginning of this economical crisis, while the Bush team was still in place. It's either that, or letting part of the country crumble.


The admin formerly known as Dr. Cossack.

Looking for me elsewhere? Maybe look at my Fediverse account for some more-or-less random postings! If you're a gamer, check out my Osmium profile. I'm building that tool!

Black Dranzer.exe
World Traveler
Inactive
2827 posts
Quote

Quote:
Socialism: A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.


Hummm, that's close, the community doesn't own stuff collectively like that. Socialism, no.

Quote:
Fascism: A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.


Hmm, first one was too weak, this one's too strong.

Quote:
Communism:
1. A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

2. A system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.


Also close, really, we're a hybrid of socialism and communism at the the moment.

Put simply, Obama is out there attempting to make the state in charge of everything and make everyone the same. Personally, the thought of paying for some other guy's Viagra (a la Universal Health Care) with my tax dollars pisses me off. You don't see me walking up to people and asking for them to all chip and help pay for my car insurance. Now the government takeover of GM, which despite being highly illegal, is still occuring. Hmmm, means of production for an industry highly involved in economic and social life, such as the auto industry, being owned by the government to control and manage. That sounds vaugely familiar...

The point is, right now, we're heading for socialism, followed by communism, followed by fascism. There's no reason for all this spending, don't try the stimulus bullshit; i've read what that bill allocates funds for, urban terrorists like ACORN and the like. Shit like the GM takeover are bankrupting the economy and it even worse. It effectively kills Ford and Chrysler now too. Think about it, GM is owned by the government, who sets the standards the competition has to go against. That means the contest is rigged; and, therefore, the concept of a free market is null.

Plus let's not forget another fun fact. All of Europe is more socialist than us, and they're hurting even worse than we are with this recession. That could be us hurting that bad if we keep this up. Wake up America.

Plus, i'd like to rant about something that's not just Obama, but the entire democratic party. Specifically, the "fairness" doctrine. YOU CAN'T LIMIT FREE SPEECH; IT'S IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT. Radio and TV are allowed to broadcast whatever political views they want, it's sitting right there under free speech. Sit down and shut up, liberals, you're ruining the country.

Edited by Black Dranzer.exe on June 10, 2009 at 0:27:45.


Hey beautiful people, you're better off trying to e-mail me than message me on here.

Breakman
Shlorpian in disguise
Inactive
1784 posts
Quote

Black Dranzer took the words out of my mouth (but my explanation would have probably been simple and without the great use of definitions). ^^;

It's never good to give up your freedoms and let the government "watch and take care of you". That goes to any president or group who endorses or enforces such a doctrine.

And I'm not saying we shouldn't listen to police, the FDA, or such because we DO need the government to regulate some things or else you will have chaos. It's when the government starts owning once private businesses (in one way or another) is when you should worry.

Edited by Breakman on June 10, 2009 at 22:34:54.

Necro
Hail to the King, baby!
Inactive
1265 posts
Quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axU9ngbTxKw

Actually no, maybe you shouldn't be trusting the FDA.
---
Really, for the most part this isn't something that I'd really comment on because I don't live in America. It does seem silly to me that Americans who claim they are headed towards communism when the government takes control of something once private is silly. The United States never was a true capitalist economy. It never will be communist either. You guys have a mixed economy system, and the only thing that will really change is the degree things are centralized in the government.


Staff Backer Doctacosa
Admin
SciLab Official
Benevolent Dictator
Offline
6437 posts
Zenny
Zenny
Unlock all of the main forum features!
Acquired on 1 April 2014
Princess Celestia
Princess Celestia
Got all items in the AFD2012 event!
Acquired on 1 April 2012
Squid beaker
Squid beaker
Earned all 150 original CL achievements
Acquired on 17 January 2016
Unity.EXE emblem
Unity.EXE emblem
Defeat Bass.EXE in the AFD2013 event!
Acquired on 1 April 2013
Lilly Satou
Lilly Satou
Acquired on 1 April 2012

... and 25 more
Quote

Quote:
Originally posted by Black Dranzer.exe
Plus let's not forget another fun fact. All of Europe is more socialist than us, and they're hurting even worse than we are with this recession. That could be us hurting that bad if we keep this up. Wake up America.


I want to offer a counter-point to this: Canada is more socialist than the USA, but more than Europe; yet, we're doing better than either of you. As a reference, GM Canada and Chrysler Canada both avoided going under bankruptcy to reoganize themselves.


The admin formerly known as Dr. Cossack.

Looking for me elsewhere? Maybe look at my Fediverse account for some more-or-less random postings! If you're a gamer, check out my Osmium profile. I'm building that tool!