Okay, this is going to be quite confusing....

What do you think of time travel? Do you think it is possible? What is your theory on time travel?

Anyway, if you have something INTELLIGENT to say, please post.

And please, if you\'re going to SPAM, do it somewhere else. I have better things to do.

Who would like to start?

[font=comic sans ms]Actually, (this gets confusing) if you don\'t use Time Displacement, then the screw ups will happen.

Time Displacement takes you out of your home time, but you are still connected. You can do anything you want in the past without screwing up yourself.

THIS is exactly why TD is seen as the most desrable form of Time Travel. However, it is the hardest to obtain.

BUT, what keeps me confused is that, if you go back in time (not using TD), and you accomplish your task, there would be no reason for you to go back in the first place, thus voiding your trip and happening all over again. This is called a PARADOX. So, essentially, things will keep on repeating till the end of time.

....Did that make sense? ^^;[/font]

[font=comic sans ms]Then again (There\'s always a then again).....

If you went back in time via TD and found something that you lost/forgotten about, two things would happen.

A) If you meet up with yourself in the past, the entire universe would end in an instant.

Say you lent that item to a friend and she never returned it. You would go over her house and demand it back, but she\'d say that she lost it.....You suddenly realise you\'re in love with her.

Just by finding that item, you would have never met, you would have never gotten married, and you and you would be unhappy and your kids do not exist, thus screwing over your lineage. (ouch! Pharic Victory, ladies and gentlemen!)

Yet again, Time travel is a doube-eged sword....[/font]

My personal view about time travel is that little good can come of it. The temptation to use it to change historical events would be to great and in reality it would prove impossible to accurately predict or control the changes that occur from altering the past. There are thousands of factors that go into shaping how the future occurs and there is almost no way to determine which ones must be changed to achieve the desired future.

If you do change the past using TD, I assume that you are protected from the effects of the resulting time shift, what do you do? If the future is changed there is no reason to return. Also if you only created a new timeline but your old one still exsits in parallel with it would you return to your old time line, negating the point of going back in the first place, or would you go to the new future?

Time travel is dangerous even if used for strictly observational purposes. As mentioned before the temptation to change an event would be too great and even your mere presence in the past may result in unforseen consequences. It is nearly impossible to observe something without changing something about it or its environment.

Possible ways to alter the future by just observing:

• Carrying bacteria or a virus from the future to the past where it could cause an epidemic
  
• Talking to a person and somehow altering thier beliefs; could cause unforseen changes in timeline.
  
• accidentally leaving behind some item form the future.
  
• dying in the past somehow. You wouldn\'t have to be trying to interfere with anything, accidents do happen.
  

I\'m sure there others I haven\'t thought about or mentioned.

If time travel is used it may be best to do very short jumps into the past, like a few months or two years max, to minimize the number of variables that have to be accounted for when planning to alter history. It would also have to be done for only very important reasons.

If you\'ve ever seen the series 7 Days then you maybe familiar with type of time travel usage I\'m talking about.

Time Travel? Ah the days I allways wanted togo back in time to make a second choice! I could go back in time and stop my sis from stabing me with a pencil... Stop myself from dying and turning into skullboy... Ah to many things to type! XD Anyway the main 1 thing I want to do is go skydiving without a parcute and have a snowboard attached to the back of my foot... :lol::P

[font=comic sans ms]Actually, you go to the one in the future, because that is where you altered reality. If you alter reality, then you go to the alt. timeline.

If you go back and kill your grandpa using TD, then go back to the future, nobody knows who you are, your house is occupied by someone else, and even the IRS doesn\'t know who you are.

There are also two other different methods of Time travel, I forgot to mention them.....

Time Warps

and Mind Hopping.

Time Warps are rips in the very space and time itself. You could fall into one and never know it untill you figure it out.

This type of time travel poses the most immediate danger to the traveler....If they do something in the past, it will immediately happen in the future. Also, the \"clock is ticking\" every second while they are away (and the portal stays open).

Mind Hopping is the choice of travel for psionically people. They go back in time by sendind their conciousness into the past. Note that you cannot go into the future with this method.

The \"clock is ticking\" with this one also, and anyone that is gone for more than a day better prepare medical facilities for their bodies.

They hone in on the person with the colsest DNA match to travel around in while they are there. That is, if they don\'t have someone in mind already (no pun intended).

This travel has the same amount of danger as time warps.

I hope that clears some stuff up.[/font]

[Edited on 25-3-2003 by Phatman Dover]

Time should never be messed with, even if its for a good cause or an extreme reason because what has happened has happened, life moves on. But i don\'t think time travel is actually possible if you think about it. How would you first of all control time? Thats something beyond science, time isn\'t matter or it isn\'t a thing, its time. Time doesn\'t stop and it never started, if you get what i mean.

If you manage to move faster than the speed of light (momentarily impossible but in the futere, who knows?) You will se everything after it happens as the light has not had enough time to tavel so you will effectivly be seeing the past. However. If this theory is true, you can only see into the past. You can\'t move, alter or in anyway cahange anything that happend in the past. Thus meaning that it might posibly be completely useless. Don\'t forget, also that you are moving faster than anything on this plantet can currently go. Still think it\'s possible?

My. Brain. Hurts.

I say..if time travel was possible, I\'d say screw the past.. Let me just see the future. I dunno, I\'ve always been so...fascinated with the future and what it\'ll hold.

And future as in year 4000, folks..not next week.

Yer but the time there is the same as it is here, its just because its taken time of the light from there to come to your eyes. Science can only work on things that are physical, time isn\'t physical so they\'ll never find a way of controling it. I don\'t really know what i\'d do if i could travel back in time, i would probaly visit myself and make sure I didn\'t make the mistakes i\'ve done.

Time travel, huh?

It could be going on right now, and we don\'t know it. Future civilizations could have perfected it, and understand the rules and procedures to going back and toying with history. The lifestyles we\'re living right now could have just been created due to time alterations mere seconds ago. But we wouldn\'t know it, would we? Everything that has lead up to the now was far in the past to us. Things around us could be changing constantly and we\'d never know.

Yet nothing can change too drastically. If it did, then perhaps the perfection of time travel (in the future) will not come about. Certainly these time-hopping folks from the future need to remember that, so they can survive, and actually have a present time of their own to return to.

Or maybe it wasn\'t a future civilization who discovered it. Maybe it was someone only days ago, and he\'s doing a fine job of keeping it under wraps. Hey, he can travel time, can\'t he?

But regardless, the vast possibilites of what might come about from time travel can only be learned through experience. And at one time or another, before that experience was gained, something would go wrong, and goodness knows what kind of impact that would have.

In the end, though, time travel is a creepy thought. Hopping back and forth between time would begin to blur the definitions of what\'s now, then, and later. Being able to so easily toy with how things would happen. Were it to truly come about the way you see in the movies, the general flow of time and possibly even this very existence could be denied, and turned into one mixed-up, random, mumbo jumbo. I seem to still be here typing, and I\'m guessing this will eventually be read, so it looks like everything is still working the way it should. And so perhaps, no one has discoverd it yet. Or at least, not used it to alter time.

I look back on this and pick up little inconsistencies all over what I\'ve said so far. I can\'t keep a single thought for long on how this would work. Too many different possibilities for me to go back and list them all. That goes to show, that it\'s only the tip of the iceburg we\'ve lightly scratched. Think for a second, what if all our deep thought and supposed scientific law were proven wrong in a mere instant?

In fact, it\'s a ridiculous notion in and of itself to attempt to gain such a firm understanding of something that doesn\'t yet exist. One should always keep an open mind, especially in the case of something like time travel. What if some dude from the future just popped up behind you right now and told you, \"Everything you know is wrong\" ?

Though if I had to side with one, I\'d think the old \"faster-than-the-speed-of-light\" deal would be the most feasible. Or at least whatever it comes to might stem from that school of thought.

To some, this may sound like pure rubbish. Others may actually get something out of it. How do I look at it? Eh, not much of an opinion really, I improvised the entire thing. It\'s all a lie. Who can say what will happen/did happen/is happening right now? (Whichever one of those it is)

If time was possible people would have probaly messed everything up, and if it was possible for scientists to create time machines then we would have visits from the future. Or maybe they were smart and didn\'t mess with the past, or theres no more people.

Another way of doing what I said and looking into the past is to trvle to Neptune and use an INCREADIBLY strong telescope and see exactly where we were on Earth. That was just a slight variation on Albert Einstein\'s theory of time travel.

[Edited on 27/3/2003 by AirMan]

[font=comic sans ms]Sorry I haven\'t been here.

Robotics competition, you see.

Anywho, the Chicken has a point. What if the very essence of time/space is being changed right now?

Ever think of something you\'ve lost and can never find again? What if a time traveler decided to buy the item that you previously had?

What if there is a Government conspiracy?

*I figured it out....we are traveling through time right now. We go forwards, but not backwards.

Not exactly what we would call \"true\" time travel, but time travel nonetheless.

......

So there.[/font]

so if you go into the future you wouldnt screw anything up right?

[font=comic sans ms]Well, yes, nothing will happen to the future, but as for you....

The people from the future would have to go back and kill you to prevent you from getting any ideas for things other people would invent.

Not only that, but everyone would think you\'re insane.

Mind you, this is years upon years into the future.[/font]

[quote]Originally posted by Phatman Dover
[font=comic sans ms]Well, yes, nothing will happen to the future, but as for you....

The people from the future would have to go back and kill you to prevent you from getting any ideas for things other people would invent.

Not only that, but everyone would think you\'re insane.

Mind you, this is years upon years into the future.[/font] [/quote]

Unless of course it was neccesary for you to go to the future in order for that timeline to exsist. If they killed you then they would be messing up thier time.

I don\'t know if time travel is possible to the past let alone the future. The past might be easier since thier is only one path to follow to get there. Then again what happens to the past since its time is \"used up\" and gone? Does it cease to exsist or is it still there for those who know how to find it?

I think going to the future would be more difficult since you could never be sure if that future was the \"correct\" one. The future is detrmined by thousands of events every day, creaing new timelines and closing off old ones. If you are returning to the future from the past it grows more difficult to find the \"right\" future depending on how far back you\'ve gone. You may find a future similar to the one you came from but not neccesarily the exact same one you left. Since the future does technicly not exsist yet also adds another problem.

If the past no longer exsists and the future is yet to come into exsistence, is there really anywhere for a time traveler to go but the present?

I think if it was possible would have seen somebody from the future already come here, maybe but its really comfusing:conf:

CronoT2 brings up an interesting point. How can one travel to the future if the future doesn\'t quite exist?

Good, good. But how about this: what if the future really isn\'t the future? What if it\'s actually the present, and we\'re its past? Or perhaps they are already the past as well, and some time ahead of them is the \"proper\" present? Or does what exactly the term \"future\" implies have no end? Does it go on to infinity right now, or are we creating it day by day?

Theories of time travel often depend on the assumption that we\'ll actually have something to jump to. Rather than now is now, and there is nothing else. That time is constantly flowing from the beginning on to the infinite, and that we only know what we\'re living in right now. So assuming that that\'s true, there is no past, present and future. Only opinions of the people in that era assuming that what they\'re living in is the \"present\" what is gone is the \"past\" and what\'s to come is the \"future.\" So if time really is one big block like that, going as far ahead and as far back as one can imagine, jumping to change the past won\'t just affect the future you\'re thinking of. Rather, it will affect that future and everything after it. And since everything is connected as one, constantly-flowing timeline, the effects would be enormous. Perhaps enough to wipe everything out of existence. And when I say \"existence\" I don\'t just mean Earth. I mean EVERYTHING everything.

Think of it like this: If I take a rope, tie it between two objects (let\'s just say chairs for the heck of it) and have it hanging there in a nice straight line, to represent the perfect flow of time, what will happen if I tap the rope? Not much. Maybe a few wiggles. But what if I really whacked it hard (representing an utter change in the way events were dictated to happen, much like jumping back in time, altering something back then to change the future, then jumping back to my present time) what would happen? The entire rope would shake, from one end to the other. No one part of it is the same any longer.

Of course this all depends on whether you believe in things like fate and destiny, that everything is and always will be pre-determined. Would someone not believe in that, it\'s safe to assume that they view the future, and to some extent, even the past, somewhat malleable.

Which is true? We can find out by toying with time, but with risks like that... do you really want to know?

[quote]Originally posted by Phatman Dover
[font=comic sans ms]Well, yes, nothing will happen to the future, but as for you....

The people from the future would have to go back and kill you to prevent you from getting any ideas for things other people would invent.

Not only that, but everyone would think you\'re insane.

Mind you, this is years upon years into the future.[/font] [/quote]
Man, that sucks bad so basically time travel is more bad than good

[font=comic sans ms]Well, yeah, that\'s about the gist of it.

As for traveling to the future, you have places to go to because they are in a sense alternate realities in which you can jump in and out of at will as long as you have a TD thingy.

(give me a break, it\'s my birthday.)[/font]

Never mess with time if you do one thing you can change everything and mankind might toturn out like planet of the apes.:eek:

[font=comic sans MS]Yeah, you really don\'t wanna fuck with the equillibrium (sp?) of time.

Change it too much, and you may not even exist.

IMPORTANT! I am leaving for Houston today and will not be back until Monday. So, don\'t get worried if you don\'t see me poking around.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms]You can stop worrying now. I\'m back! I had a great time, and finally got Megaman Legends 2! I\'m so happy![/font]

My theory: there is a deminsion for every instance of time.

if we could break into other dimensions then we could have succesful time travel.
we just don\'t want to screw around with the past...

If there was time travel, you shouldn\'t mess with the past but just try and stop the future polution and stuff. make people stop fighting.....etc

I believe that even if you could go back in time, you couldn\'t change anything in the first place. When you go back in time, you travel in TimeGate A backwards, then resume forwards. Assuming you even know how to get back to your own time, you can\'t change anything in that timeline because of what I shall call \"4D net force\".
Here goes-
If a man walks at a speed of 2 m/h south on a bus going 40 m/h north , he\'s traveling 38 m/h north.
So, while you were moving futiley around in Gate A, Gate A was moving against you in Gate B! TimeGate A had already felt your affects years, decades, centuries, etc. BEFORE you even knew you\'d time traveled!

[quote]Originally posted by Phatman Dover
[font=comic sans ms]Sorry I haven\'t been here.

Robotics competition, you see.

Anywho, the Chicken has a point. What if the very essence of time/space is being changed right now?

Ever think of something you\'ve lost and can never find again? What if a time traveler decided to buy the item that you previously had?

What if there is a Government conspiracy?

*I figured it out....we are traveling through time right now. We go forwards, but not backwards.

Not exactly what we would call \"true\" time travel, but time travel nonetheless.

......

So there.[/font] [/quote]Our shape is 4D. The 1st dimention is length, the 2nd is width, 3rd is depth and the 4th is time.

Oh, about the \'faster than speed of light\' thing, it could never be done on Earth. The friction would be too much for any substance. The only reason light can do it is that it has no matter. It would have to be done in Space, but even there, there may be too much friction. The only real sure place would have to be a true vacuum like a black hole or something.

I thought I\'d already made a post here? Maybe I forgot to send it in?:conf:

Oh well. I don\'t believe there is anything to discuss, seeing as time-travel is impossible. Sure it is a fun concept, but there are many irritating and confusing complications which must be taken into account. If we traveled into the past, chances are, we\'d become our old selves, therefore eliminating any purpose of traveling back in the first place. Chances are, you wouldn\'t even remember you had traveled back. These many complications, including those which I do not have time to list, are called paradoxes.