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congrats!

and yeah, sometimes i think there is life on another planet, and sometimes i dont.
dont know why though.

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Here\'s my outlook on alien life. There are more than a billion galaxies in the universe. Each with more than a billion stars. Now if even one in every 50 million stars had a planet with life, that\'s still millions upon millions of forms of life! And eventually intelligence close to or exceeding that of humans will emerge. Whether it\'s happened or not already is anyone\'s guess.

Now to answer why we haven\'t had contact with any said species. It takes light years to reach us from the closest star to our Sun. We won\'t get any physical contact for a long time unless aliens live on Mars or another planet in our solar system.

If any species are visiting or trying to make contact, they either have found a way to surpass the speed of light, which according to Einstein\'s theories is impossible, they would need a colony on a nearby asteroid, planet, meteor, comet or other cosmic object to stay on as a base unless they live on their ships. This is my theory.

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I think there is existance of other living things on other planets because the universe would be so empty if it was just us on earth. I don\'t think they look all weird, unless there planet climates are different. I just think the chances of aliens contacting us is slim.

Well, CONGRATULATIONS!!! YOU JUST PLACED A HIGH SCORE *stupid NFS announcer*

For those of you who got that, I congratulate you.

Now, I\'m probably going to end up offending just about EVERYONE who believes in christianity.


Man, I\'m just gonna WAIL on ya\'ll....

Ultimately, life on other planets is strictly based on evolution. While I would like to entertain the notion that life exists out there other than us, there is a plausible theory as to why we\'re the only ones. Although, I find this theory to be mindlessly out of proportion.

To begin, long ago, roughly about 3.5 BILLLION years ago, the first proteins were formed. And then, those proteins became the first cell. And then that cell reproduced. A lot. Eventually, you\'ve got countless cells reproducing all over the place. Skip forward about several million years, you come to the OXYGEN REVOLUTION, in which case, oxygen just seeded itself throughout the atmosphere, killing off quite a lot of the species, and forcing the biosphere to reform. Anyway, the reason why any of those species survived was based on Natural Selection. Natural Selection is oftened associated with Survival of the Fittest. Well guess what. THAT\'S JUST PLAIN WRONG!!! I\'ll explain that in a PM though. But, the concept is the same.

A species survives the long rigors of life based on it\'s ability to keep away from the predators. Now, I bet you\'re asking: \"...we have predators???\", no, not now, but we did a LONG time ago. Back in the African Savanna, back when we crawled around, predators could rush us and we\'d never know what the *beep* hit us. That\'s when we started standing up, and checking the lay of the land. And, eventually, we developed all the wonderful things that allow us to maintain this biologically inferior bipedal design.

So, how does all of this play into my whole explanation of life existing/non-existing on other planets? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! AND THAT, PROVES MY POINT!!! (sorry, but I did that for Jinkwai....hope he see this...), actually, it has a whole lot to do with it. Development is all based on a matter of circumstances. A lot of scientists and experts believe that because we started standing up on that grassy knoll, we developed more complicated brain pathways. Eventually, we started studying ourselves, coming up with more efficient ways of doing things, and coming up with organization and communication. We learned to change our environments.

In fact, that alone is the ONLY thing standing between us that other things (not counting intelligence and understandings of math and whatnot). While other animals adapt to their environments in order to survive, we actually CHANGE our environments to suit our purposes. Unfortunately, it\'s crushing our planet, but I\'ll deal with that some other day.

Now, while I\'m saying it\'s VERY UNLIKELY, it is possible that our specific way of evolution is the ONLY way. Or maybe, no other species out there actually had a predator that they had to stand up and use more of their brains just to defeat.

What I mean by our way, I mean our way of using intelligence to escape the enemy.

Although, I think that whole theory is just bogus...and a piece of crap.

I believe that life DID evolve on other planets. Why? Because come on, our plantary development can\'t be THE ONLY way life can evolve...the only way that atoms bond to create bioligical substances....I think that there is MUCH MORE than we can ever know.

...But...that\'s just it...\'WE\'LL\' never know. \'WE\'LL\' never really find out.

Oh well.

Anyone want some cookies?

They are billions of galaxies out there, and who knows how many planets there are, and why do people think that there is life on Mars? What about Mercury, Venus Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus(How is that supposed to be pronounced?!)Neptune or Pluto?
I belive there might be aliens, but why do people think they want to make contact with us?

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...On Earth and within this solar system.

In reality, we have no idea what life on other planets is like or if the limitations imposed on the organisms on the planet are the same as those for potential alien life forms. We should really try to be open minded about what life on other planets is like.

I no doubt believe in aliens because it just seems really silly that we\'re the only ones \'here\'. Somewhere in the vastness of space must lie other intelligent races wondering if we exist. I may not believe in flying saucers, exploding cows or \'probing\' but there\'s life out there.

I had some other stuff to say about how we define \'life\' and aliens being composed of energy or other non-corporeal forms but then my train of thought left the station without me. I\'ll continue my reply when the next train arrives.

I think life do exist
I just don\'t know why >_<U

Yeah I think it would be awesome if there was life on other planets, if Space is Infanite there HAS to be other forms of life. Maybe one day they will come to Earth and enslave our asses :cool:

I just have to correct this once and for all... Light speed is NOT impossibe. First of all (as mentioned) there are other ways to reach planets. For instance, using Einstines theories, one has conluded that the universe is flat (in wave form thet is).
this opens up for the universe to bend, wich it does when affected by spechal substances (cant remeber names).

Now,try to imagine the bended universe like a \"u\". Since the universe can bend, it can ben in cylinder form, so at the the \"ends\" the waves could link, creating a \"wormole\", and thereby timetravel or just a shortcut.

I read this somewhere, be your own judge...

The other thing I was going to mention was that allthough most things can\'t go faster than light why not speed up light itself. (don\'t ask me)

well... I dont hve time to write more, but to finish off: Yes, I belive in life on other planets.

This topic just reminded me of those lines. I like that song. Anyways, what the song, I, and the good doctor are trying to get across is that no one really knows how to define life. Being able to move around and reproduce doesn\'t necessarily qualify or justify life since virii can do all that and they aren\'t seen as alive by modern science. Life is what we define it to be and cells and organelles may seem to be the answer but alien life may be something else. Something more.

This gets me to my next point that I was thinking about yesterday before I lost my concentration.

Non-coporeal aliens may exist but we don\'t consider that possibility only because we have such a narrow view of things and how they exist. Our periodic table currently has 118 elements or so but we could have more being sustained on other worlds. Just because we\'re composed of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen does not mean that aliens must be too. Theoretically, we could have silicon based life-forms able to survive in much different climates than our own.

-CONCENTRATION LOST-

Nuts.

I\'m back again... I\'ll try to coninue where I left off:)

The word many would use to fill on that gap is the soul. The soul is suposed to be the real you, living in the shell that is your body. We can\'t see the soul, and when we die it is reliced and goes somwhere else...

And that is where i protest. (just have to, it is just the way I am) As many know the brain works in ways that we have yet to discover. Let me make an example: For the universe to end up different than it is now, it has to start differently. So, everything happines cos something else happines and makes a loop that makes a chain of events that can never change. Some call ths fait. What I am trying to prove here is that this also determans all you learn, feel, do and think. This means there is no free will, but he complexity of the entire thing is so massive you think you do.

So, if there is no free will, there can be no soul cince it is all a learned phase in the cycle.(I think I got it right...)

(I am not critesizing religion, but I like to think things make sence to me...:D)

Maby this was off topic... Damn. Ok i\'ll try to make the rest short.

To sum up the possibilatys of life in the universe, think of it like this: to make life all you need is gass (no, really!) The gas forms a star, wich then explodes and the particles it emmits form into the basic ingeedient to life. Now think of how many stars and gass there is in the universe. There are clouds made up of galexies out there!

Sorry for writing so much, but this is one of the things that I actually KNOW something about. (not that enybody wil ever read all of it):D

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About the souls thing, there is some scientific evidence that points to them. Some highly sensitive instruments have detected something exiting the bodies of people as they die. Some say it\'s electricity being released from the body\'s nervous system, but that defies the actual behavior of electricity. That is, it does not simply leave an object because of the object ceasing it\'s function. To physically die, electricity must exit the body, yes, but it would go to another object, not simply float off into space.

Now about the gas thing, life needs to be made of solids! Otherwise the being would simply dissapate. Did you know that stars often have metals at their centers? They\'re created from the fusion of helium and hydrogen. They are in a gas form, but when a star explodes they condense because they are flung into the cold of space, making them solid. Gas is not essential to life. Not all life forms need gasses to live. Bacterial examples of this can be found on Earth.

I\'m just trying to say that people should be more open minded about life on other planets simply by not comparing it to life on Earth. Just because it can\'t exist here, doesn\'t mean it can\'t exist somewhere else. Well, what if the gas was held together in a relatively close mass (forming a body of some sort) through some gravitational field generated by a... A thing. I don\'t know. Some tiny \"Gravity Well\" thing like the weapon X gets from Gravity Beetle.

Use your imagination!

Also, the brain is a grouping of electrical impulses. Have you considered if there could exist being of just that specific energy? Like a manifested soul basically (using BladeMan.EXE\'s interesting hypothesis). Think \'living lightning\'.

I ran out of points again. Back to work...

Energy beings have been thought of by sci-fi authors before, but again, this isn\'t very likely. However, to me it seems more likely than a creature composed of gas. Energy beings would likely be parasites as they could take advantage of their compostion and move from matter to matter, such as electricity does (think of living static electricity). This would allow them to have more control over there environment. A creature like the Drege (sp?) from the movie Titan A.E. are not likely to exist. Energy lacks the ability to maintain a shape for extended periods of time (a second is to much, for instance).

Ah, bound was such a topic to appear, with the recent landing of the two Mars Rovers...

We as humans can never close our minds to the great possibility, of intelligent life, other then that which resides in the realm of our own Solar System.
Surely we are but specks in this vast, infinite array of space, in which countless of other heavenly bodies be?
We must explore that which is beyond that of our own oyster shell, the Milky Way, to ever know as general fact.

Surely, some are skeptics. But if a scientist were to close his mind to such beliefs, I\'m sure he wouldn\'t want to spend his entire life, formulating utterly false theories that excluded their existence, if they did reside in this Universe.

Perhaps other beings, somewhere out there, gaze at the stars, and wonder, if others such as themselves be? I could go so far as to say, that perhaps, we shall never know.

Good day.

[Edited on 10-2-2004 by Zaleon]

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Unless you\'ve never seen a rock in a desert before, you haven\'t missed out on much.

Two opinions.

Non-Intelligent life: Yes, we know that there are things like bacteria and other organisms out there.

Intelligent life: I think intelligent life should be found on Earth before we look out into space.

But seriously, I don\'t really think that there are aliens out there. I have both a scientific, and a Christian reason for this.

Scientific Reason: When the universe was formed, it is very possible that this planet was the only one that had exactly the right elements for life.

Christian: The Bible says that we have God\'s favor (despite our shortcomings) and why would he create some other people out in the Universe, if they were just there, to be there.

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Oh no... once again i got it wrong.:(
I think you miss read me... I\'ll try once more.

I didnt mean gasses as in enviorment, I meant as in what you need to make the stars. Gasses form stars at high preassure over millions of years. Like you said it forms metal wich (as far as we know) is found whithin most stars. The exploding stars remains become the other elements that we consist of. Sientists have evidence we are all stardust, and that the \"dust\" has changed over time.

Just to mention it, I dont think all of this is entirely true, but I think you gain wisdome from such theories.



If I am to stay on topic, you should note that they clame one of the rovers hes found water, and thereby maby life. This could support the theory that life came from Mars... But so far they havent got anything offichal to report...

Maby that cleared it up, but I dont get to write much english and end up messing with my own oppinion...:lol:

THE BIG BANG

Let me explain this theory.

It is theorized that before this universe began, it existed as a SUPER COMPRESSED ball of pure energy. This ball \'banged\' spawning the universe. However, many people think that it spawned all at once. That\'s wrong. And many people have that misconception that just because something is a gas, doens\'t mean it can\'t be solid. According to the laws of physics, everything can be made solid, liquid, or gaseous. That ball was probably super compressed of all the matter in the universe, drawn to one point based on incredible gravity.

Gravity is an effect on Time due to great mass (theory)
Furthermore, The BIG BANG is contrast to the BIG CRUNCH, which is a theory stating that when and if the universe is \'done\' so to speak, and it grows to such an enormous size, it will eventually begin to compress and collapse, drawing everything it is together into one little ball of energy (a SUPER BIG BLACK HOLE)

(misconception: Black holes are take up little space, but have the mass of incredible proportions)

Now, to continue with my first theory.
When that ball exploded, and all that energy reconstituted into matter, that matter drew apart. REALLY APART, like galaxies apart. So what started the star? Gravity. Or really, matter\'s attraction to other matter, which is basically gravity, only weaker. Lots of matter became compressed. And eventually, you have stars, and solar systems, and a lot of other things.

BTW, the reason why most stars are made of hydrogen is: THE MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT IN THE UNIVERSE, BECAUSE IT\'S SO SMALL, AND WEIGHS SO LITTLE 1 proton, 1 electron.

I just wanted to get rid of some misconceptions.

BTW, do you know why we\'re carbon based lifeforms?

It\'s because Carbon, which is the central atom in just about every organ cell in every organism on earth, is very versatile. It can form FOUR COVALENT BONDS (whoo). that means an infinite amount of combinations using carbon, which is why every protein and amino acid and functional group on earth has carbon as its primary element.

There are theories that Nitrogen could be a base for life on other planets because of its covalent bond capability.

Furthermore, you know in that movie Evolution? Where they said the aliens have 10 base pairs, when we have only 4? That\'s because ours are actually the pairings of the nitrogeneous bases that create diversity in our DNA.

Adenine -- Thymine
Guanine -- Cytosine

Those are the Genetic Alphabet solved by the Human Genome Project. (They finally figured out what it was)


Hope this can help other aspiring people to formulate theories I can\'t conceive of yet....

Actually, there are at least three theories on what will happen to the universe. The first is what you said, except that is if there is less matter in the universe than scientists think. The second is the universe will eventually just stop expanding. This is if there is the same amount of matter as scientists think. The last is if there\'s more matter. It\'s where the universe expands for the rest of eternity.