Has anyone seen it yet? I saw it twice yesterday, the opening day. There\'s something wrong with me...

I\'d have to say that I enjoyed the movie quite abit, but it was far from perfect. It was a very good followup to the first movie, and it did what all sequels should do. It built off the first movie, and the exprience of it wouldn\'t be the same without have seeing the first.

My major concern going in to the movie was how Alfred Molina was going to handle playing Doc Ock. Overall I\'d have to say I\'m not disappointed by his performace, but I am abit disappointed in the portrayal of the character himself in the movie. This however, wasn\'t Molina\'s fault. Doc Ock in general just did not seem to be arrogant enough. His relationship with Spider-Man was not portayed correctly and I felt that it hurt the movie. That\'s not to say I didn\'t enjoy him though. He was pretty cool. The train fight was an amazing scene, and I loved how he thought nothing of the passengers. The bank scene was cool too, his get up there had style.

I\'m disappointed with Spider-Man in this movie, as well. Not only is he abit too soft spoken, he was also far too serious. He just wasn\'t funny, and they just weren\'t trying to make him be. Throughout his 40+ years in the comic industry, Spider-Man has almost always threw across wisecracks while fighting villains, some of which could be very humourous. The movies have so far raped Spider-Man of his wit and it really bothers me. It\'s not the most important aspect of the character of Spider-Man, but he just doesn\'t feel like the same without it. I\'m not saying that alone ruins him because there\'s other aspects they played well on, but...

That\'s not saying the movie can\'t be funny. \"Hey he stole that guy\'s pizzas.\" I loved that line.

Another aspect of the movies that bothered me was Spider-Man using the impact webbing - the little web balls he shot. Peter Parker never did that in the comics, that was one of Ben Reilly\'s ideas. If you have no idea what I\'m talking about though, nevermind...

Those there are some complaints, but I\'d be lying if I said that\'s all I felt about the movie. The special effects this time around were much better - you could still tell when it was CG, but it looked alot better this time around. The fights between Doc Ock and Spidey were nothing short of amazing, they were simply a joy to watch. I enjoyed Harry in the movie, and his scene near the end. I like how the series is building itself up through the movies; the sequel really did feel like a direct continuation of the first movie, it wasn\'t like other comic book movies where they just fight other villains. It was also great to see Willem Dafoe appear again, and I\'d very much like to see him return. Dafoe, in my opinion, by far put on the best performace in the first movie.

All in all, I\'d have to say it was a good sequel. It wasn\'t perfect, but it really did a good job following up to the first. I\'d really like to see how the next installments continue the series. And I\'m sure they\'ll do fine, if Sam Raimi stays as the director.

You darn tootin there\'s something wrong with you. Are you going to see it 7 times like the last one though?



My brother was worried about that too. He just wants to see the movie for Doc Ock alone. I guess there was bound to be faults..you can\'t explain a villains backstory in the small amount of time a movie lasts. Because villains deserve more.



Oh yay! Angstyish Spidey, ahoy? I still say they should fire Maguire (oo, rhyming) and hire someone who has a better voice and could actually provide the jokes and wisecracks. Spidey isn\'t the same without that, you know. I think they purposely take out the jokes because the actor can\'t do them right.

Doogie Howser does a more impressive Spidey than Maguire does! If only he was..taller.



Maybe the script writers were playing too much Marvel vs. Capcom. ;P Who knows though, maybe that\'s a plot device for the Clone Saga movies! Don\'t cry, Necro..I doubt it\'s actually gonna happen.



Harry\'s my favorite character in the MTV cartoon. He\'s hilarious. It also houses the only Mary Jane incarnation I actually like..but maybe that\'s because she hasn\'t gotten annoying yet and Spidey\'s dating someone else.



Did you bring your \"Willem is #1!!\" foam finger to the theater? ;D He\'ll probably return if they do a Harry as the Goblin movie, right?



I\'m probably gonna see it on DVD..I have this feeling. I only wish they\'d have a \'skip kissing scenes\' function. *shudders*

So, then Necro, would you say that the cartoon. I mean the recent one, not unlimited, but the one with the Symbiote from the moon did a better job with the whole Wisecrack thing?

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Saw the movie at 12:17 am wed with my fiance who happens to be a spiderman fan. XP

I really did like the second movie... and the green goblin\'s appearance really surprised me. I was NOT expecting that.

That is considered \"the 90\'s cartoon\" usually, Mega X. And that does sound more like Spidey.

The \'symbiote from the moon\' is Venom and don\'t you forget it. Even though that\'s not how his actual storyline went at all..

Saw the movie for the third time last night. Oppurtunity strikes. I appreciated the movie more the third time around.

Dr. Octopus in general in the movie was actually pretty cool. His relationship with Spidey was abit inadequate, as Doc Ock isn\'t supposed to take losing to a boy very well, but oh well. For what he was, he wasn\'t bad at all.



Though, Maguire does do a good job as Peter Parker. I don\'t hate him as Spider-Man, but I\'m not too fond of him not making enough jokes, because as you said, that just loses the Spidey feeling. I guess they tried abit in Spider-Man 2, but still... when they make the third movie, they need to work on the wisecracks.



The clone saga would never be made into a movie, Marvel already likes to pretend it never happened.



There\'s only one scene with a kiss between Peter and MJ.

[quote]Originally posted by Mega X.exe
So, then Necro, would you say that the cartoon. I mean the recent one, not unlimited, but the one with the Symbiote from the moon did a better job with the whole Wisecrack thing?

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For Spider-Man\'s attitude and the wisecracks, the 90s cartoon was better. Only in that aspect. Overall that cartoon was pretty crappy, but I guess only to those who actually know the original story.



I didn\'t expect it too much either, but when the cackling started.. oh man. I\'m a huge fan of the Green Goblin(especially when it\'s Norm) and I really enjoyed that scene.

The movie sure built up Harry to be the next villain, didn\'t it? I really hope James Franco can do a good job as the Green Goblin. So far I\'ve liked the work Dafoe and Molina have done on the villains and I\'d like to see that be kept up.

Harry was cool in the movie too I thought.

\"Spider-Man saved you sir.\"
\"He humiliated me by touching me.\"

Best line in the movie.

It appears that Harry will probably be the villain in the next movie; I hope they keep the tradition and stick to one villain per movie, because it always that villain to get more screentime and be developed more, though Harry has been gradually developed between the two movies. To anyone who has seen it, which villains would you like to see? Personally I\'d like to see the Scorpion, due to the fact that Jameson was responsible for him becoming a villain. Speaking of, Jameson was great in the second movie. I\'d also like to see Mysterio. Sure, he\'s not a strong villain really, but he\'s quite interesting. The special effects deal was always kinda neat, I though.

Well the Venom symbiote got rocketed back to the moon and came back with the soon-to-be Carnage

As for a villan I\'d like to see... hm... that\'s really a tough one since I\'m not familiar with the Spider-Man backstory. (I know of several villians, just not all of them. ._.;)

Though, I have to admit that the concept of one villian per movie works very well! @_x I suppose the Spider-Man movies are better than the X-men movies because of the character focus. (X-Men ... well, should\'ve been named Wolverine and X-Men.)

I\'d like to see Venom in the next movie.

I\'d Like To See Carnige In The Next Movie!

I meant to ask you if JJ had more screentime in this one, Necro. I guess he did? o.o

Anyways I\'d like to see anyone but Electro, The Sandman, Kraven..lots of others. Scorpion wouldn\'t be bad since I don\'t know anything about him. Lizard would be good too.

Yeah.. the X-Men movies are abit guilty of overdeveloping Wolverine compared to the rest of the cast...

Venom and Carnage shouldn\'t really touch the movies in my opinion, as they\'re both overrated villains. While Venom can be interesting if done right, it\'d take too long to properly develop him and his relationship towards Spider-Man. Unless they decide to take the same route as Harry and gradually build him up, but they\'d have to start soon if they did.

Sandman would be kinda lame, but I have nothing against Electro. Sure, he looks like a boob but he\'s not too bad. What they really need in the movies though is the Rocket Racer. I kid, I kid. Hopefully someone knows who that is, too... I have to disagree with you though, Hollow, Kraven would be a good villain for the movies in my opinion. I always found him to be an interesting villain, with how he tried to take over the role of Spider-Man.

I know you\'d say something like that, so I didn\'t say the obvious... >.> Maybe Ven will get his own movie series. :rofl:



I only know the Rocketeer and Rocket Man. And Ultra Man but that\'s off topic. But is Rocket Racer some kinda villain from the 70\'s that wanted to spread the use of marijuana or something?



Dear foolish Necro, you must\'ve forgot that most of my knowledge of Spider-Man in general is from the backs of trading cards and the 90\'s cartoon. Kraven looks stupid is all, I have no clue how he acts.

What I know of Kraven is from the 90\'s cartoon and the Ultimate Spiderman comics. (I was able to read the online ones until Marvel yanked \'em...)

Kraven in the USM was *scary*.

I\'ve never actually read Ultimate Spider-Man, but I\'m sure they handled him better than the 90s cartoon did. I don\'t actually remember it the greatest but from what I do remember, it wasn\'t too accurate. Why was he scary in USM?

I think Kraven would be a cool villain for the movies, they\'d just have to edit his end for the movie. Can\'t really have a climatic final battle common in comic book movies if he kills himself.

If I remember right, he actually wanted to kill Spider-Man and mount him... (no, not THAT kind of mounting!) That sounded freaky enough.

Yes, the cartoon version was just weird. I remember being a bit of \"Duur??\" when watching it. (Never got to see all episodes--)

Just now I remembered who I\'d have liked to see. Lizard! (Didn\'t they show Doctor Connor (is that his name?))

:lol:... I won\'t say anything, I won\'t. XD

See though, that\'s what sucks about movies.. They have to do it \'just right\' or they won\'t get the big bucks. Hell, with Alien Ressurection they had an audience present at the shoot, and changed scenes if the audience didn\'t like them!

What ever happened to (Robot Jones? ) filmmakers making a story they invisioned? Ah well..

Sounds like Kraven didn\'t deviate too much from how he was in the original Spider-Man in the Ultimate timeline. In the original, Kraven figured that he could make a better Spider-Man, eventually beat Pete and buried him alive. In Pete\'s absence, Kraven went around in a Spider-Man costume, and even defeated a villain Pete was unable to. Pete eventually got out of his grave, but when he confronted Kraven, Kraven killed himself because he had already proven in his mind that he was a superior Spider-Man.

Kraven\'s ending was strange, but I like the concept of what he did. I think he\'s interesting.

Dr. Connors was in Spider-Man 2, yes. I forgot to look to see if he was missing an arm.. I\'ll need to do that next time.

And well, Hollow.. movies are usually made to appeal to the audiences by the big wigs upstairs, you know. Those producing a movie usually want to make a product that will make them the most money in return. If a movie is independent and not being produced by a bigname studio, then there\'s more chances of it remaining to the filmmakers vision. I\'ve heard George Lucas paid for the producing himself for The Empire Strikes Back...

Yeah, he was missing an arm, that\'s how I was able to recongize him.

I heard that in the next, or one of the next ones that one of the bad guys was going to be the Vampire whom Blade is always chasing in the cartoon. I don\'t really remember the name of the Vampire bad guy but i just remember the episode. But yeah, so one they might get Wesily Snipes to play a part in it.

Don\'t take this information too seriously though... i got this from a very unreliable \"source,\" and doubts are pretty high that its true but still, i think that would be a nice antagonist for an up and coming Spider Man.

I doubt it. =/

After all, the marvel movies are not going to crossover at any point. (Note that Kingpin hasn\'t been mentioned? He\'s stuck in DD movies while X-Men have their mutant villians and human villians who want to kill mutants (XP), Blade deals with vampires, Hulk does... well, HULK SMASH! and finally, Spiderman just saves people and get in trouble with insane villians.)

It\'s really weird, but in comics, they did all crossover at some point or shared the same villians, but it\'s going to be very unlikely for the movies. (I do know that The Hand (ninja villians that are in Elektra) fought X-Men as well...)

*mumbles*

Yeah, cross-overs are highly unlikely in movies. The main issue is that different studios get the rights to produce different sets of characters, and for one studio to include a character from a set that is from another.. well, it\'d be expensive just to be able to do it, and then you have to pay the actor...

I just saw this movie today. I like it!

Naw, the movie was jut that good.



It wasn\'t perfect, but I liked it more than the first one



Now, I\'m not to familiar with Doc Ock\'s original comic background. I know it, and the story of his arms ois very different from the movie. Would you terribly mind if I asked about his \"true\" background?




You mean you forgot the wisecrack he made in the bank scene?

Remember when Spidey threw the money back at Doc Ock? When he did that he yelled

\"Here\'s your change\"

Honestly though, yes, he should\'ve been more of a smart aleck. However, I think the angst painted a more realistic portrait.



That is a definite classic.



He used \'em what, once? Twice tops.



Who did Dafoe play again? I\'m not even sure who he was. Harry\'s development was good though. Set up another sequel it did.



Maybe it\'ll be like what they did with Harry Potter, make two movies, and switch director.

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I sure wouldn\'t want to be around Necro in your shoes.

(Dafoe was Green Goblin in the first movie)

*ducks a pumpkin bomb* Why I oughta..