ok, i believe that the media is all democratic, so they only show \"good thing\" about Kerry and \"bad things\" about bush!
kerry has only purple hearts, he lied on his military record, he is EXACTLY like clinton, will ruin the country if in office cuz he has no idea whats going on, is too stupid to react to a threat, will be too lenient with things like taking out the 10 commandments and anything else biblical (cuz the US started out as a christian country, founded on the Bible) he will remove all troops out of iraq just to let the country put up some evil leaders that will attack us again, leaving him to let our nation be pummaled by attacks

bush does not have the best military record, cuz he was an ordinary soldier, he knows everything thats going on in the war, he wants to leave out country clean, keep it preserved as a godly nation (though its very far from that) and there are many things about the war that you ppl dont understand!

Depending on what you watch, the media in the US will either be demo or publican. Fox News for example is full of right wing extremists. If you want to see Bush praising, watch that.



That\'s your opinion. I don\'t like the guy either, but I also don\'t know him well enough since I don\'t watch the news. Besides, I know how the media is, both sides are going to lie in some fashion.



Sorry, but that\'s the excuse I always hear. \"This country started on Christian values!\" Doesn\'t anyone know that things change? And for the better? That\'s why we are able to change laws, and all that. I mean, one of the things that right wingers say is \"wrong\" with Iraq, is that they\'re living in the past, they\'re not as advanced as we are.

Now, I know it\'s silly to go to extremes, to take out the 10 commandments because it\'s too \'offensive\'. That\'s the problem with demo\'s, too politically correct. If they had half a brain, they\'d understand that the 10 commandments really shouldn\'t be a religious thing, they\'re just good morals..suggestions..whatever. People don\'t need to get their panties in a wad.

So..yeah, we advance. Please get off your \"the Christian way is the right way\" horse, accept that the Christian faith is supposed to be TOLERANT in the first place, and accept that the US is supposed to be full of different races and religions.



You know this...how? Because of what another president did?



Blah blah blah blah blah. If I decided to vote (might as well, since they\'re getting people for jury duty even if they haven\'t voted) I wouldn\'t vote for Bush. Before you jump down my throat I\'ll say why.

Bush is a pro-life person with abortion. I\'ve already stated my say on this in the abortion topic.

Bush wants to make gay marriage illegal. Now, this is complicated because I partially agree with it to some point, because I don\'t see the point of gays getting married in a church that hates them and says they\'re sinners and should burn in hell. But he wants to abolish it all, no union, no marriage, nothing. That isn\'t going to work.

Bush is also pussyfooting around, with this \'our society is losing it\'s morals\' deal. I know the US\'s morals are low. But banning gay marriage and abortion isn\'t going to save our morals, it\'s taking away our rights as US citizens. If you want to make morals better, make it illegal for elementary school girls to wear thongs for christ sakes! There\'s tons of things he could be doing to help morals.

Bush also doesn\'t seem too right in the noggin. Saying God told him to start the war on Iraq? I don\'t want a crackpot in office, sorry.

And besides, you said Bush was a soldier... I thought he was AWOL most of the time? I don\'t think Kerry participated much in any wars either.

Anyways, I\'m independent since I agree with both parties some of the time. I surely wouldn\'t have voted for Clinton. And I liked George Sr., but his son surely didn\'t fill his shoes very well.

Firstly, I\'ve seen bad things said about Kerry on TV. Not all the media is Democratic.

Secondly, even if he has or not, it\'s doesn\'t matter. The elections are about who was in the war or not, it is about which guy is better in the poloticial (sp?) stuff, like econemy, school stuff, government, ect....

Thirdly, was there even any evil Iraqi leaders? No, there was just Saddam, who had no threat to the U.S. at that time.

Fourthly, did Iraqi leaders attack us? No, if you were smart enough and watched the News or something, you would know Al Qauda (sp?) did it, not Iraqi leaders. Maybe Iraqi Al Qauda (sp?) members, but not Iraqi leaders.

Fifthly, Bush doesn\'t know whats going on, nor the soldiers. First, Bush sent the troops to make a search for weapons, but started a war before the search had started. Any weapons? Nope, none. Bush also didn\'t know about the poor Iraqi people being tortured, and same goes for the soldiers.


Also, more Iraqi people were killed than American. Besides, up to 1000 killed. Thats nothing compared to the Iran and Iraq war, where millions on both sides were killed. 1000? Iraqi people were killed more in this war.

mabye what we should all do is make our own continent and live on it, so that we could invite whoever wants to have some fun without turning the whole thing political

and just to let you know, i never said \"the christian way is the right way\" im saying its the \"only way,\" though ive grown up in that, im not a christian. Christianity is not a religion, its a relationship, and you cant just \"call\" yourself a christian, cuz thats just a lie. people will see you how you really are, no matter what you do to try and \"cover up\"............sry, i just got a \"little\" off track

but anyways, how is \"killing\" babies ok as rights for americans? its not, cuz youre killing a fetis, which is still a living breathing eating human being, thats just not totally developed yet... and Gays are just sickos who are not able to have a girlfreind or wife, so they use their demented minds as an excuse of being with the same sex, so they can have a \"VERY\" good friend to spend their life with.......

(yay my 200th post!)

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I think Bush, if I am right he is more experienced. Otherwise they both suck.

My 100TH POST (I missed it the first time around)

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OK, i agree with you there, sorta kinda....nobody is the \"perfect\" president, just better than the others...most people hate a president because of situations that occur during their term/terms, but Bush could handle things better with the given situations if he had more time to learn....

I\'m very unhappy to see so many bigots at such a young age in this day and..age.

Read the abortion topics for my (and many others) thoughts on abortion.

Gays are not \"sickos\". They are normal people, unlike you I guess. They just happen to prefer the same gender. What is wrong with that? Is it because they can\'t produce offspring? That\'s not really a valid reason to call them sickos.

Gays (this includes the lesbians you watch in porno, you know) are born that way. Your \'God\' made them that way. (even though you say you\'re not a Christian..) You obviously don\'t understand.

And what are bisexuals, to you? Half sicko? :rofl:

ok, i dont want to argue, mabye i should not post my thoughts if it makes you guys uncomfortable.....*breaks finger* \"OUCH!!\" *breaks 4 more* OW OW OW OW! hope that helps you guys

he didnt \"make\" them that way, they \"chose\" to be that way, and my explanation was harsh on them......

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No, he did make them that way. It is not a choice.

You are born gay. You either choose to live a peaceful life, living and loving someone of your own gender..or you live a tormented life living and pretending to love someone of the opposite gender.

People like you (and others worse than you, like the KKK) cause gays to live false lives out of fear. It\'s quite sad.

As a conservative I would like to say, that you are a nut. You\'re statement on gays is backed up by absolutely zero percent science. I however will not speak on abortion because there are so many valid points of view on it, that it is hard to support either side.

[quote]originally posted by shadoreaperok, i dont want to argue, mabye i should not post my thoughts if it makes you guys uncomfortable.....*breaks finger* \"OUCH!!\" *breaks 4 more* OW OW OW OW! hope that helps you guys

he didnt \"make\" them that way, they \"chose\" to be that way, and my explanation was harsh on them......

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Actually, there is no scientific proof that they choose to be this way. Some do, but there is some scientific research that states that gays are born that way, this has not been proven, but it is a possibility.



There is actually scientific evidence that bisexuals are usually screwed up in the head, ussually bi\'s are sexual trauma survivors.

A friend of mine is bisexual, and he\'s had no sexual trauma. He\'s strange but I wouldn\'t call him screwed in the head..

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how can you say that there is no \"scientific proof\" that they didnt \"choose\" to be that way? well actually, i think you are right... most of the gay people iv met and talked to were gay because of pier pressure, or in other words, they were made fun of over their lisp, girly actions, or because the only friends they could make were females.... so you are right....

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Well, while I\'m not WILD about either of them (I believe there is a happy medium for almost everything) I would prefer Bush over Kerry.. click here to see a few facts that you probably won\'t see on TV...

...... wow...... poor cambodians..... but i would like to see a site like that about bush, just to see what the democrats can come up with.....

Just cause they served in the army doesn\'t exactly mean that they would be suited for the job would it?
I don\'t really want to go into the gay issue here, but I\'m not one of those fanatics that go \"death to gays\" and stuff like that, I just don\'t really want them near me.
Ehh, guess Bush maybe....

well, im not a radical in anything either, but i think its a big deal when a president has a bad past, where he has lied, cheated, murdered, been to jail, aint too bright, or all of the above

Yes, that is very true too, Because if you don\'t what they\'ve done in the past they could screw up America, well, it\'s screwed up alreay and all but it could be worse you know...
It must be a horrible life if you\'re born gay, being laughed scoffed at etc., but I\'ve always though they choose that way of their life rather than being born with it, becuase doesn\'t something like that quite possibly stem from a childhood expierince?
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Does this mean that we have no choice of how we live? Does this mean our lives are set in stone and cannot be changed and we must follow them like robots?
No free will to do what we please? People born into this world only to suffer?
Or maybe I\'m just reading into this too much....

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I\'m sure there\'s plenty of sites about Bush out there. Problem is, what is fact and what is fiction?

Honestly, if someone is against one of the candidates and makes a site about them, I am not going to outright believe what the sites say. That\'s just foolish.

And if someone is directly for the candiate, and likes to kiss ass, then I\'m not going to take what the site says seriously, either.

Edit: Here\'s a site for ye, it leads to plenty of links to information about Bush from online magazines and what have you. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_dubya.html

And about gays.. Would you actually CHOOSE to be gay? Honestly? Maybe if you were in prison and were desperate, you would choose to be gay for your sentence there. But no one can just wake up one day, and say hey, I feel like being gay. Unless of course they\'re bisexual..

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So people choose to be gay, and it\'s not determined by genes or traits when one is born? This is so confusing my head hurts already....>.<
I\'ve always thought they chose to be that way, so I\'m confused, is it they choose to be gay, or born that way?

Born that way. There\'s some evidence that their brains work differently than others.

And with bisexuals (and some gays) I believe that some have screwy hormones, and are naturally attracted to the same gender because their hormones program them to be attracted to said gender.

People CAN choose to be gay or bisexual, but I don\'t see why they would unless it was a desperate situation, like prison as mentioned.

I really don\'t think this is a topic to be descussed if your not mature enough to handle the subject in a rational way (this does not neceserally apply for the board members, but it\'s worth mentioning)

There are a lot of points to put into consideration, voting just becouse you think one lies more than the other (worse if you just randomly read it somewhere) is not the way to vote in my view. For the most part, the most important debate is the one regarding what will happen with the war once the new president has been elected.

This is important because it affects everyone else. Over here, everyone is really shook up about the debate because it is going to have a direct affect on what we do. Being a member of NATO, we have to protect all member nations, this includes the US wich declared war. The fact that the order of the US president can trigger more destuction is what makes this choice so dangerous.

In my veiw, the war in the middle east if allmost beond repear allredy as most have now built up a great hate against the attacking nations, including us. Even though the whole country protested against sending troops to war, we are still a target because of the issue of one goverment (there ar of course more involved, but I\'m just making a point)

Of course, I\'m not saying I hate the US, I just don\'t like who\'s running it. Personally, I wouldn\'t vote for Bush in any way, but since I don\'t know if Kerry could turn out to be a horrible president, I don\'t know.

I could say I wouldn\'t have voted at all, but that would be like saying no to democracy, letting someone else do the voting and thus do a decission for you that you most likely don\'t want. If there were more options, I think you could end up with a better goverment.

well, the first argument on gays should be dropped, cuz this topic is only on bush and kerry