For more on this subject, I hereby submit to you a chat between me and a pal of mine, (Obelisk, whom I mentioned earlier in this thread.).
Jason_Hawking: I'm talking to someone on MSN.
Jason_Hawking: Man, the things MM n00bs will theorize on forums...
Jason_Hawking: there are STILL people theorizing that Zero could be protoman.
Dana_Alzomal: and thus Santa said "To all a good night"
Jason_Hawking: I mean, it could be a theory to dispute, but they don't put any logic behind it.
Dana_Alzomal: well then classic guru, you'd best get cracking
Jason_Hawking: They just want to beleive that their favorite classic-hero didnt' die out and end up not being existant anymore.
Dana_Alzomal: I'll be busy looking at por----err...umm...
Dana_Alzomal: gotta go! *runs*
Jason_Hawking: I started up a topic on interordi about how X COULD be MegaMan. Regardless of what Capcom officially says.
Jason_Hawking: 'cause Capcom officially says LOTS of things.
Dana_Alzomal: ...you know that's not true
Jason_Hawking: Nobody knows that for sure.
Jason_Hawking: I'll link you to the thread itself.
Dana_Alzomal: well Inafune does
Jason_Hawking: And you can read my arguement in it's entireity.
Jason_Hawking: THis is the same guy who would have probably killed off X instead of Zero those several times.
Jason_Hawking: I betcha he actually tried it, but Capcom maybe jumped down his throat because "HIS NAME'S IN THE F***'ING TITLE! YOU CAN'T KILL HIM!"
Jason_Hawking: Inafune: -_-;; But... but... Zero!
Jason_Hawking: Capcom: NO. *Closes case.*
Dana_Alzomal: it's still his (the creator's) word
Dana_Alzomal: if he says they are different, they are different
Dana_Alzomal: just get over it, they are not the same person
Jason_Hawking: We are the consumers...
Jason_Hawking: WE WILL BEND HIM. *rubs hands together deviously.*
Dana_Alzomal: Light was already working on X during Megaman 8, likewise Wily was working on Zero at the time
Dana_Alzomal: they had their programming done for the most part, so you can't use the argument that "oh he just transferred Megaman's mind or whatever into X"
Jason_Hawking: Later on in the MegaMan-X saga, around the time of X8 and Command mission, Capcom tells us that Zero was locked away in a capsule to wake up at the same time as, and do away with, X.
HOWEVER... if you played Power Fighters, you would know that Wily had already started building the robot long before Light started on X. ((Play as Bass. At the end, Wily will brag to Bass about his new, most powerful robot ever, and show plans with an obvious shadowed image of Zero on it.))
So this causes Capcom to contradict themselves. How can Wily plan his machine to destroy another one that didn't even exist yet? UNLESS HE ALREADY EXISTED AS MEGAMAN
Dana_Alzomal: Bass probably stole the plans from Light's lab in 7
Jason_Hawking: I don't think Light was working on him that far back.
Dana_Alzomal: X was probably on the drawing board for years now
Jason_Hawking: I don't think so...
Jason_Hawking: I HIGHLY doubt it, in fact.
Jason_Hawking: On a side-note, someone mentioned that they wondered what's happened to Dr. C since then.
Dana_Alzomal: ooooh, the Doc brings up a point I was gonna make, that ending is from Bass' perspective, who's to say Light wasn't working on X as well?
Jason_Hawking: And I made a little mention of you.
Jason_Hawking: My friend (You know him as Jigoku Neko, or Dark Hellcat. The guy who I brought here, but doesn't really come anymore.) has a fancharacter named Obelisk, who is created by Dr. Cossack. You can jot that one up there with the 'Assumptions'. Well, then again, he doesn't really support the idea that this actually happened... But, yeah. He's the first guy I know who's ever made mention of Doc. C since, forever...
Jason_Hawking: And I replied to that.
Jason_Hawking: I suppose Light COULD have been working on X, but I think that if he was, he would have shared it with somebody. A scientific breakthrough like that would definitely have been shared with at least MegaMan. Why keep it a secret? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Dana_Alzomal: he probably didn't want them to know that even though he wants a world of peace and all, that he's making potentially the most powerful Robot in history
Dana_Alzomal: he'd probably wait until he completely finished building X
Jason_Hawking: MegaMan would trust him.
Jason_Hawking: He's Doctor freakin' LIGHT.
Dana_Alzomal: "Well, Flareman, yah got a point. But I don't think Light would wanna share it, especially with Mega. Mega could think he'd be replaced, that made a lot of good guys evil..."
Dana_Alzomal: and then there's the Megaman Network content
Jason_Hawking: Breaky respondd to that, quite skillfully shooting that down in flames.
Jason_Hawking: Mega would EMBRACE the thought of someone going out to save the world in his stead.
Jason_Hawking: Remember, he doesn't LIKE fighting.
Dana_Alzomal: once again, despite what the fans want to think, what capcom says is the word. even if it's shaky, it is still set in stone
Dana_Alzomal: if they say they are not the same, they are not the same
Jason_Hawking: Sure, sure.
Dana_Alzomal: if inafune says they are not the same, then all the more
Jason_Hawking: Remember, it's just a theory.
Jason_Hawking: Just like the cataclysm.
Dana_Alzomal: he freakin MADE the characters
Jason_Hawking: I'm just showing how it can be a plausible theory.
Jason_Hawking: AND TRIED TO KILL ONE OFF.
Jason_Hawking: And one that did getk illed off, his favorite btw, kept coming back.
Jason_Hawking: AND got his own series.
Jason_Hawking: Still want to use capcom and inafune as defenses NOW?
Dana_Alzomal: how is that relevant to the subject?
Dana_Alzomal: what he does with the character is a different subject than their origins
Jason_Hawking: because I don't think their word is "Set in stone."
Jason_Hawking: They didn't say it. You did.
Jason_Hawking: That doesn't make it true.
Jason_Hawking: SO they could be prone to change their minds at any time.
Dana_Alzomal: even if he wanted to kill X off, it's still HIS character, he can do what HE wants with him
Jason_Hawking: Hell, if they wanted, they could say ROLL was MegaMan-X, and you'd just have to sit by and let them say so.
Dana_Alzomal: and you know what, we'd have to
Dana_Alzomal: it's their word, they make the characters, they decide what to do with them, not us
Dana_Alzomal: they've made it clear Megaman and X are NOT the same
Jason_Hawking: And yet I continue to theorize, regardless.
Jason_Hawking: because they can also come back and say that they are.
Jason_Hawking: Boo-yaw, I beleive is the appropriate term, here.
Dana_Alzomal: well, until they do, Megaman and X will never be the same person
Jason_Hawking: I did prove that they could change their mind, and it would be so.
Dana_Alzomal: and tell me, what would you do if Maverick Hunter X disproved your theory moreso?
Jason_Hawking: Your arguement was based around the point that this would NEVER happen.
Jason_Hawking: You basically lost by admitting it could just a few seconds ago.
Jason_Hawking: I'd shrug and go, "Eh."
Jason_Hawking: LIke I said, I'm just having a friendly debate.
Jason_Hawking: Just theorizing.
Jason_Hawking: Like Dave ANez and his cataclysm.
Jason_Hawking: Let's say Capcom hadn't said anything yet.
Dana_Alzomal: this is even more wrong than the cataclysm theory you hate
Jason_Hawking: and considering my arguements, would you find it possible?
Jason_Hawking: No way.
Jason_Hawking: Now you're just trying to spite me.
Dana_Alzomal: umm...where DID break shoot down Megaman Network's content?
Dana_Alzomal: i've seen all 3 pages, and none of it got mentioned
Jason_Hawking: I was talking about this.
Jason_Hawking: Dana_Alzomal: "Well, Flareman, yah got a point. But I don't think Light would wanna share it, especially with Mega. Mega could think he'd be replaced, that made a lot of good guys evil..."
Jason_Hawking: She responded by saying MegaMan wouldn't feel bad.
Jason_Hawking: He'd LOVE the idea of not having to fight anymore.
Jason_Hawking: Getting to live in peace.
Dana_Alzomal: I'm talking about THIS
Dana_Alzomal: A: Well, we can only speak on what information Capcom has given us. And while we've never been given a definitive answer, the overwhelming evidence points to "no."
According to the Japanese sourcebook "Rockman & Rockman X daizukan," Mega Man and Mega Man X's specifications are very dissimilar. Mega Man is 132 centimeters tall and weights 105 kilograms. X, meanwhile is 160 centimeters tall and 57 kilograms. Even though X is taller than Mega Man, he weighs much less.
Jason_Hawking: Well I wasn't, moot point.
Dana_Alzomal: The most common assumption from theorists that believe they are the same robot is that Dr. Light transferred the mental state of one into another. This, too, is faulty, as the sourcebook defines Mega Man's mental programming is for the human age of 10, while X's mental programming is for the human age of 14-15, with the ability to mature.
Dana_Alzomal: Mega Man's programming does not mention the ability to mature, so it couldn't have matured to a 14-15 year old state of mind. Also, X's unique mind is a staple of the X series, as it states quite implicitly in the first game that he is the first robot to think for himself. Since Mega Man was based on Proto Man's designs, it would stand to reason that if Mega Man developed a mind, Proto Man would as well, and probably earlier.
Jason_Hawking: Oh sure.
Jason_Hawking: MegaMan and X can't POSSIBLY be the same guy BECAUSE THEY LOOK DIFFERENT.
Jason_Hawking: OH MY GOD.
Dana_Alzomal: Q: Is Zero really Proto Man?
A: No. This one is definitive. The Power Fighters endings show Zero in the process of being created / designed, during a time in which Proto Man is still alive, active, and "on duty", so to speak. There is no way the two of them could be the same robot. Was Zero in part based on Proto Man's design? Maybe, but there's no telling for certain on that subject.
Jason_Hawking: THAT'S SO IMPOSSIBLE TO BELEIVE! 8O
Jason_Hawking: Just like those hat-things in SLash Beast's stage...
Jason_Hawking: THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY BE METS.
Jason_Hawking: THEY LOOK TOO DIFFERENT!!!
Jason_Hawking: ANd, if you recall, I never said anything about Zero being protoman.
Jason_Hawking: Just X-MegaMan.
Jason_Hawking: That's it.
Dana_Alzomal: what they're getting at is Megaman and X's appearance are dissimilar
Jason_Hawking: no roll-Alia, or Bass anything.
Jason_Hawking: And what I'M getting at is that that proves diddly squat.
Jason_Hawking: Just that they look different.
Dana_Alzomal: to the degree that it woul dbe fruitless for Light to do all this work for an upgraded Megaman
Dana_Alzomal: X is lighter and taller, Megaman is smaller and heavier
Jason_Hawking: You're talking about the same guy who built the totally useless AUTO.
Jason_Hawking: I'm willing to bet money that he'd waste time on something like that, if he built AUto.
Dana_Alzomal: to change Megaman into X, light would have to scrap down megaman and make a new robot from scratch
Jason_Hawking: They're not too dissimilar.
Jason_Hawking: I'm sure some parts from the old megaman would be re-used.
Jason_Hawking: Light is a robotics GENIUS.
Jason_Hawking: You're talking about the guy who reconfigured rush to fold, and impossibly might I add, into a torso suit of armor for Mega.
Dana_Alzomal: which in one case, made him heavier
Jason_Hawking: The same guy who managed to put a spring, a submarine bubble-glass, and rockets on ONE DOG.
Jason_Hawking: And make one little buster capable of shooting ROCKS.
Jason_Hawking: and BOMBS.
Dana_Alzomal: but for the amount of work Light woul dhave to do to upgrade Megaman into such a powerful bot, he'd be better off building a new guy
Jason_Hawking: and BLADES.
Jason_Hawking: and FREEZING TIME.
Jason_Hawking: A variable weapon system with no logical explanation behind it at all.
Dana_Alzomal: which he did
Jason_Hawking: How does a metal blade come out of that little round hole in MegaMan's buster?
Jason_Hawking: Or a ROCK, for that matter...
Jason_Hawking: A BIG one at that.
Jason_Hawking: Electricity? Ic an see that.
Jason_Hawking: Fire? Okay, fine.
Jason_Hawking: Yes, but also consider the blade is FLYING OUT.
Jason_Hawking: If the blade was warped in in front of megaman's buster, it'd simply fall to the ground.
Dana_Alzomal: he throws the blade, remember?
Jason_Hawking: How about quick boomerangs?
Jason_Hawking: That's not quite as easy to explain, is it?
Dana_Alzomal: they are shot out sideways
Jason_Hawking: Or a Crash Bomb, for that matter.
Jason_Hawking: Even sideways, they wouldn't fit.
Dana_Alzomal: partially materialized, then forced out, the rest is made in front of the barrel
Jason_Hawking: Also, remember that the barrell isn't even a HOLE.
Dana_Alzomal: the master weapon is created within a four foot radious of the Mega Buster
Jason_Hawking: there's a big, red gem blocking it inside.
Jason_Hawking: I see.
Jason_Hawking: and how exactly does the weapon fly out?
Jason_Hawking: it's created, and then what?
Dana_Alzomal: my manipulation of magnetic energy
Jason_Hawking: MegaMan shoots it with a regular buster shot to get it moving?
Jason_Hawking: I see...
Jason_Hawking: magnetic energy... on a bubble.
Dana_Alzomal: it's how the energy iof a beam saber is formed as a sword
Dana_Alzomal: without that field, the saber is essentially a torch
Jason_Hawking: But remember how huge a sabre is.
Jason_Hawking: It's obviously got lots of large generators in it and such.
Jason_Hawking: sabres don't exist ni the time of classic megaman.
Dana_Alzomal: yup, the magnetic field is manipulated by the weapon
Dana_Alzomal: the generators would be small, and located inside the buster
Jason_Hawking: So, how does one go about controlling a solid rock with magnetic force?
Jason_Hawking: Or, dare I say... a bubble?
Dana_Alzomal: reverse polarity between you and the rock
Jason_Hawking: Need I mention ice?
Jason_Hawking: That's just the point, though
Jason_Hawking: ROCKS CANNOT BE MAGNETIZED.
Jason_Hawking: They don't have any electrical charge.
Dana_Alzomal: no, but Megaman CAN
Jason_Hawking: AT ALL.
Jason_Hawking: But then HE'D be pushing AWAY from the rock.
Jason_Hawking: And the rock would stay completely still.
Dana_Alzomal: he can reverse the polarity of his body so that anything in the field would be thrown away from him
Jason_Hawking: only if the feild can be manipulated into a solid force.
Dana_Alzomal: and he could probably do that
Jason_Hawking: ANd if that's so, why doesn't that stop enemies from hitting you from behind at the time of fire?
Jason_Hawking: Dana: RGH... *Fzzzt...* BRAIN... OVERLOAD!!!
Dana_Alzomal: their weapons break the field is my guess
Jason_Hawking: the weapon that you move WITH the feild is usually like, 10x stronger.
Jason_Hawking: How do their weak little shots penatrate?
Dana_Alzomal: the composition of the attacks would be able to break the field
Jason_Hawking: these attacks are about the same as MegaMan's buster...
Jason_Hawking: Surely he can configure the feild to account for these everyday things...
Dana_Alzomal: if he's configuring it to throw a rock he probably can't configure it for something else
Dana_Alzomal: the field probably has limited effects
Jason_Hawking: That's just it, though.
Jason_Hawking: THe force shouldn't just be fixed to throw ONE thing.
Jason_Hawking: He can't do that, dodge an attack,a nd throw one at the same time.
Jason_Hawking: Obviously this feild, if it exists, should be set to throw out anything around him.
Dana_Alzomal: that is of the same polarity as what he his throwing out
Jason_Hawking: And, btw... here's something to think about.
Jason_Hawking: X's buster is WAY more powerful and modly, agreed?
Dana_Alzomal: if its not, which these attacks are, then they'd be able to break through
Jason_Hawking: And yet, in X6, in order to use ground dash, he actually has to PUSH the rock once it comes out of his buster.
Jason_Hawking: And he DOES... with a dash.
Jason_Hawking: THIS ROCK... with a noticeably large metal peice in the center.
Dana_Alzomal: the rock is made up of a substance that cannot be thrown off by magnetic forces then
Jason_Hawking: If the X-buster was truely more powerful than Mega's, surely it'd sport a similar magnetizing feild.
Jason_Hawking: That would affect the metal thing in the center.
Dana_Alzomal: and it's possible that X's buster may not sport the magnetic field, but use a different system for weapons
Jason_Hawking: Why? When the magnetic feild was looking SO promising.
Dana_Alzomal: because of advancements in weapon technology
Jason_Hawking: ANd while Classic Mega is chucking rocks with his spiffy magnetic feild, poor X is droppin the buggers in huge peices and SHOULDER-RAMMING them to get them to budge, what... a few inches?
Dana_Alzomal: the magnetic field may simply not be needed at that point, as X's buster was equipped with different abilities
Jason_Hawking: But it can't chuck a rock.
Jason_Hawking: I see.