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Pats on the back for me reading the whole TUH article!

Let me see if I can sum up TUH. From my understanding, it\'s saying that the universe is a hologram because it is actually many subatomic particles meeting at different connected points in some sort of maze, that we are recievers in and recieving perception from this maze, and that this explains telepathy and coincidence? Is that the basic idea?

Er... I\'m going to leave it at that. The \"fairy-tale\" I live in keeps me from agreeing, but I do see where those ideas could make sense. It makes me wonder whether something created said hologram, however, which would imply that there is a being higher than God which I simply do not believe. Besides, even if this reality exists, it doesn\'t sound like the Matrix, where if we escape from this reality there will be something worthwile outside... though I guess it did say this leaves room for infinite unknown somethings to exist there, I can\'t picture it.

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So how would we go about controling ourselves and the world around it, if that\'s true.

Oddly enough... I THINK I understood all that, and I managed to read the long page from that link. Not really enough to try discussing it much, but I can understand it... Never thought I\'d be able to understand something like that ^^; But... it makes sense to me. Seems like something that\'s more real than other things I\'ve seen, read, or heard about.

Anyways. I understand most of it, but I\'m not up for debating or discussing. O.o I\'m not capable of such. I think I\'m gonna try thinking on it some more... See if maybe I have any questions after further thought and reading...

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What I\'m getting is kinda a spiritial Matrix theory.

What ever we \"experance\" is only happening because it\'s the \"reality\" that we are led to believe. Not really a far-fetched theory. I\'m sure this team is being called insane by a good number of people now though.

We, in theory, could manipulate the world around us but the problem behind that is that we\'ve been led to thinking all our lives and all our parents lifes that this is the true reality. The only way to truly prove this theory is to cultivate generations of humans on the ideal that this plane is not entirely real.

But there also stands the theory that this world is only what we see, think, and experince. I\'m still unconvinced of either and require more evidence of these theories to make a conclusion.

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So wait, if there is a holographic paradigm, where would the holograph be projected from? Pure nothing-ness? Or is that something we don\'t know yet?

OMG!

I loved the theory of the Holographic Universe! Didn\'t I show that to you at some point Windy~? I read it abour two years back I think, but it was a bit much to digest in one sitting. After going back and rereading it, I think I understand it much better.

Thanks for bringing that back Wind, and nice to have you around again. Ironicly, I just bought a new comp. so I\'ll also be around.

Good freakin\' stuff...
*reads more*

O... M... G...
There\'s few more to say here for me...

...

Or not.
Well, it\'s a proven fact that after the age of 25, you lose 44 million brain cells a year. Still, if you\'d live up to the day you wouldn\'t have any brain cells left, you\'d be about 20,000 years old.Of course, you would be quite senile...

\"How do we prove that we exist? Maybe we don\'t exist.\"

\"I think, so I exist.\"

quoted from two different famous men I can\'t remember the names of...

Wasn\'t that the mage from Final Fantasy 9?

Anyways, after going through this a few more time I believe I\'m starting to understand.

What I\'m getting is that the universe is a blank canvas and our mind are painting the world we see, and in theory we could percive it differently and paint something else.

It\'s embedded in our way of thinking is that this is real. That\'s where my cultivation idea came from. By bringing up people on the idea that this world is mostly false the theory could, in theory, could be tested.

No, no! NO! Maybe he did say that, but then he quoted it! Some famous scientist said it! Albert? No. Good ol\' Al didn\'t say that, I think.



Yes, maybe. But you\'ll probably have to obtain a certain \'level\' of... something... spirituality, self-knowledge...



In theory, yes, but for real, it\'ll be THAT much harder.

Weird... I once created a topic for these things... Never deleted it, but... it was a fluke...

[Edited on 29-9-2005 by Morphman]

[Edited on 29-9-2005 by Morphman]

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So basically, the \'concious\' beings living on the earth, are walking Gods?

That agrees with my philosophy.

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Whooo, I contribute.



Anyway, yeah the way a piece of Holographic film works is that a laser is reflected of of an object and into the film, thus \"burning\" it into the holo-film. When the laser reenters the film from the same angle, the image of the object is projected.

If this physical method applied to the Universe, and if we where the \"lasers\" than we would have infinite control over reality. All we would need is something to bounce our will off of...say, our thoughts.

Now, the thing about Holographic film that still has me a bit confused is this next bit. Scientists know that it works, but I\'m not even sure they understand why.

You see, when you cut a piece of Holo-Film in half, it doesn\'t begin projecting halves of images. It produces the entire original. You could literally go about dividing the film into smaller and smaller pieces, until they where the size of a grain of sand (smaller I suppose...) and get entire whole images, without any sort of distortion. This would explain infinite possible parallel universes as well if the physical world behaved as such.


I feel the need to end this thought with a bit of humor...

*picks up laser pointer*
*points at wang*

...

*Thinks...copy paste copy paste...)

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One time I was arguing with a friend about something like this. His argument was that, for all I knew, he could be seeing purple when I was seeing yellow. I tried to disprove him but I couldn\'t. You just can\'t see through another\'s eyes. For all I know, what you\'re reading could be in my version of Spanish, or maybe you\'re reading something totally different about mutant cheese and you actually live in a mo-

That was weird.

Now I understand.

Yes, Vivi did say the \"How do we prove we exist?\" line.

I feel like I\'m watching Star Trek.

In fact, I grasp it loads better than you may think. On the other hand, I was too lazy to read it all.
But now, I DO have read it.
So… there are indeed things we will probably never be able to understand. Simply because they won’t let us. I think that if, and only if we can ever get to the point of understanding these things, we will discover things that goes beyond the imagination of all of us combined…
And that so much… so many answers… lie just in front of our noses… all around us… in electrons…



So, in fact, if all ‘sentient’ beings co-operate, we can simply cause the universe to cease to exist?



In some way, yes, actually. We just have to find a way to “unleash the power within…”
So, as Wind says, we only have the potential to become like gods. And what does that mean? What are gods actually? As long as we don’t know that, we might never become gods ourselves…
The essence of the god-being can lie within those friggin’ electrons…



Yes, so we are, in essence, already ‘gods’, but we must need something to break through that ‘barrier of humanness’ that makes us to what we feel what we are, just humans. Animals who have learned different things than other species…



Yes, that’s quite right. Sometimes people just tell stories saying it is true, whilst they themselves think, not know, it aint true. But everything possible to happen, has in fact, already happened. What we see around us, what we’re doing this exact moment, is just a replay of times passed since long.



This is were the other theory above is getting complicated. I think, for us to become true gods, the other can’t be true, or not in whole.
My guess is, that if we can make ourselves to control those electrons with what we normally call our ‘mind’, we have become like some of those biblical figures, gods. But since the Bible is actually all about believing in God, we cannot actually call a human who reached that level of… control and self-awareness… gods. They, and others yet to come, are just more like beings of universal control…


There is so much we don’t understand already. And then to think, that so many things we don’t know of yet, and will never get it’s true essence revealed…

http://twm.co.nz/hologram.html
(^ for those of you who might want to re-read it all by now)

Here\'s what I understand.
If you accept that concious beings, not necesarrily humans, are gods, and also that you can\'t \"see through another\'s eyes\" so to speak. For all I know, \"you\" could be living in a bunker 40 miles underground on a planet covered in purple cheese called Cor Celesti. That could be what you\'re comprehending. If a sentient being has control of his universe and what I just said is true, then you can logically conclude that there is, in fact, one (1, count \'em, 1) being in the world that is truly sentient, and they are in control of everything.

Think of it like a message board: regular members can say whatever they like, but only the single Admin (Dr. Cossack) can do something really permanent (change the background). You see?

I realized this and I was insane for a few hours. I\'m better now.

But that guy on the purple cheese planet..

See, I don\'t get this really, because we\'re all taught that purple is purple. Our colors aren\'t seen exactly the same, no..some people are colorblind, and we all see colors slightly different than others. But we\'re taught that a purple crayon, is purple. So even if the crayon turns out to be smiley yellow in that persons eyes, that color will still be purple. And every purple from then on will be seen as smiley yellow, but they will call it purple because they were taught so.

The sky is called blue because that\'s what we were taught, and that is what everyone sees. May not be the exact same color that we all see, but we all say it\'s blue.

I know we can\'t see through another\'s eyes. But if that person actually \"sees\" that they\'re living on a purple cheese planet when everyone else sees earth...how does that make him a god? It makes him batshit insane.

See, this is how cults are started. Everyone get out the kool-aid.

*pours kool-aid...with happiness added*

Yeah, I know what you mean about all that purple is purple thing because somebody just says...

\"Hey look, purple!\"
And then your brain goes...
\"Purple eh?\"

However saying that one person views the world as purple cheese bananas is just stupid, because that would mean they would experience completely different stimulus, not just different responses to the stimuli. That\'s what makes some people batshit crazy indeed Hollow.:lol:

!!ATTENTION!!
The reason the above post is there, is due to a technical mistake on my end. I forgot to log out my friend when he was using my comp...

He was going to say something about Gravitons, but didn\'t finish the post. I put my post under that name by mistake. The stuff below is me, and his post is still on my harddrive, unfinished and pending.

*pours kool-aid...with happiness added*

Yeah, I know what you mean about all that purple is purple thing because somebody just says...

\"Hey look, purple!\"
And then your brain goes...
\"Purple eh?\"

However saying that one person views the world as purple cheese bananas is just stupid, because that would mean they would experience completely different stimulus, not just different responses to the stimuli. That\'s what makes some people batshit crazy indeed Hollow.:lol:

[Edited on 2-10-2005 by BlueSilver]

Batshit crazy, eh? Well, since so many people are crazy about the whole \'all humans are equal\'-thing: We are all batshit crazy.

Yes, we name things like we are taught, purple is purple, cheese is cheese, a dog is a dog.

I think that somewhere out there, beyond the borders of this universe, and into the one\'s of others, are our own universes.
We may have no real power here, yet. But whatever we want to, whatever fantasies we have, whatever we wish for, is real in our very own universe, right there, beyond the borders which we might never be able to pass...


\"You shall not pass!\" - Gandalf, LotR, FotR.
Like God would say when we\'d try that.

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So actually, the \'ultimate sanity\' is \'ultimate insanity\', eh!