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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 17:04:21 [Post link]
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I've wondered a bit, while we're here, where are we going, what's the point, why is it so hard, tings like that, you know? It sounds like the lyrics to some Jack Johnson song (and they are), but still, I have to remark that all of it just seems beautiful. I believe in God ... you know? I believe in the sheer beauty of it all, all the stupid incongruences of everything, every blemish, every scar, every shade of black, blue, red, green, surreptitiously gray, all of it. I love it, I bask in it, I enjoy being a part of it.

I've heard people say...that God made us because He was lonely, but I don't buy that. God isn't a person, I don't see Him like that, I see God as a concept, an ideal, the perfect image of perfection, except, with a will.

Complete perfection, harmony, understanding. Sheer mastery over everything; the self, the world, everything. God wouldn't be lonely, because God is really three, right? That, the Father is the Will of God, and the Son is the Law of God, and the Holy spirit is like God's little messenger, God's connection to us, you know? I listen a lot to what my friends tell me about all of this, and I rarely ever say anything, but I just find it all so beautiful.

They say that God is Love, or that God loves us, or that, well, we are made and saved because God loves us. But, why? Why would He love us? I- I just don't get it. No, I do, I really do get it.

We're his Art, you know? Little sculptures, little bits of paint, little poems and beautiful structures and complex figures and everything, just one big tapestry of sheer art. It's beautiful. That's why God loves us, right? Because, we're His artwork, right? We belong to Him. But ... that's so sad, that He would just ...... own us, you know?

So, he gave us a choice, a wonderful choice, be His, or not. Isn't that beautiful? I ... I love it, I think it's beautiful.

We can be beautiful, we can be ugly, we can scar, we can paint, we can be Art, or we can be some horrible splotch on the canvas, but we're never erased. We're never forgotten, because He looks at us, he's there, watching, poking, asking us to be this color, or telling us to paint over that color.

Or we can choose not to, and color ourselves, though we're more likely to color ourselves black.

You know, I think it's really beautiful, you know?

I ... I'm in Love, right now. It's weird, how I was sooo, depressed. I thought I lost Love, but God gave it back to me. It's beautiful, and I just wanted to say so.


Ah, the Truth. It's out there ... nah, maybe not.

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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 17:09:53 [Post link]
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It is a beautiful thing. By all rights God should have just let us all rot and gone to hell. Hell, he could've done it. But he chose to show mercy. To show it when it would gain him nothing, in fact, he had to lose something.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 17:11:53 [Post link]
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I don't see it that way. You're certainly right, of course you are. But, I see it more that God wanted us to have Heaven in the first place, and Hell is just what we get when we deny it.

It's like the difference between being dragged off to the lions, or marching proudly to face them.

But, you never deserve hell until you get there.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 17:17:31 [Post link]
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Well the thing is, that God and Sin are polar opposites. The whole Eden fiasco turned us into moral abominations, not wholly good, not wholly evil. We could never be in heaven this way, since God can't tolerate evil, not even a little.

For all the sins we committ, justice would reap us hell. And we know that God is just. But it is because he loved us, when he had no reason to, when we had spat in his face with the very breath he gave us, that he chose to show mercy and save us from ourselves.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 19:54:46 [Post link]
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Any topic involving god and faith is practically destined to be the target of flame wars. Because this world is made up of people who do, and don't beleive.

On the one hand you have people who do believe. They think god is the only way to heaven and his acceptance is totally mandatory.

Then there are people who DON'T believe. They listen to things like logic and science which prove things like evolution and that god doesn't exist.

Logic and faith. Two forces that are constantly locked in an eternal struggle from which there can never be a victor. Because, when you think about it... Every single one of us posesses these two factors. You can never be completely one or the other, because being completely logical leaves you totally shut out from other possibilities. You fail to see things in an emotional context. Being completely logical is the same as being a programmed machine. While on the other hand being completely faithful puts you in a position for disappointment. You'll believe anything your told and you won't try to make decisions for yourself. Nothing you do will make sense since you don't put any logic to it and it all just leads to confusion.

Do I believe in god? Maybe. Maybe not. There is a ton of evidence that proves practically everything said about him in the bible is either false or just doesn't make any sense, period. Then there's that re-assurance that, if he DOES exist, and heaven exists, I won't just end up in complete nothingness when I die, and I'll have a place to go to where I can keep all my memories of life and maybe meet my old friends that I missed along the way.

I suppose I'm mostly logic. Maybe a 60%-40% mix. But I'll tell you one thing right now...

I won't have anyone telling me I'll go to hell unless I do this or that.

No way, no how. Don't even.

[Edited on 27-1-2006 by FlareMan]


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 20:01:28 [Post link]
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I'm not saying whether or not I belive in God or not, but I definately think that if there is such a thing as Heaven, it won't be only for "belivers". I think that if an Athiest lives a good, kind life and, although doesn't believe in God, will still go to heaven. Because lets face it, if God is benevolent, omnicient and omnipotend, he won't send people to hell out of spite. "HA! Ye of little faith, now you must suffer becuase of your beliefs!!". We don't accept that from people, why from a god?

But then there's the logical side of me which believes in the "lights out" theory and in evolution and that the solar system, galaxies and the universe is all there is, no God or any of that crap.

I am ever trying to think of new ways to merge the two stories. :P


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 20:09:06 [Post link]
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I'm not saying whether or not I belive in God or not, but I definately think that if there is such a thing as Heaven, it won't be only for "belivers". I think that if an Athiest lives a good, kind life and, although doesn't believe in God, will still go to heaven. Because lets face it, if God is benevolent, omnicient and omnipotend, he won't send people to hell out of spite. "HA! Ye of little faith, now you must suffer becuase of your beliefs!!". We don't accept that from people, why from a god?

Absolutely. If God is as merciful and kind as they say, he surely wouldn't keep you out of heaven just because you didn't know he existed. It HAS been 2000 years or so. Knowledge dies off after a while. If he wants believers he should bother to show up every once in a while, neh? But instead he decides to let funky old men in white gowns and funky hats sing his praises...

Speaking of god, have you ever READ the bible? It's full of controversial stuff like incest and alcohol and murder... it's almost ironic.

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I am ever trying to think of new ways to merge the two stories. :P

Yes. When it comes right down to it, all we want is peace... right?

[Edited on 27-1-2006 by FlareMan]


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 20:57:37 [Post link]
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I agree. I am always hearing stories of "Science vs Religion". Why not attempt to go into religion into greater detail using Science, rather than say one or the other? For example, treat the creationist theory as a metaphore for evolutionism. After all, they both tell the same order of events, don't they? (Water animals THEN land animals THEN humans).

No, I don't think Christanity need be all about blind faith.

P.S. Sorry if this has kind of hijacked your "God loves us" thread. I didn't mean it to.

[Edited on 27/1/06 by Samsara]


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 20:58:26 [Post link]
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The Bible is full of controversial things, Flare, because it's not a book of happiness and sunshine and and flowers and unicorns. It is the truth: both sides of it.
God doesn't want to laugh and spit in your face when you get to heaven: he wants you to turn to him. He has said that faith in him is the way and if you do not believe in him, you will not reach heaven. That is because you have not acknowleged him, and praised him, and therefore have sinned. It's not that God doesn't like you; he loves all of us. But he hates sin; it cannot enter the perfect Kingdom of God. If he let sin in, heaven wouldn't be perfect. God can cleanse our sins when we pray to him. So, even we, imperfect men, can enter the kingdom by believing in him and praying for his forgivness. If he turns you away, it's not because he hates you and doesn't want you to enter, or even doesn't like you; he hates sin and CAN NOT allow it to enter heaven.

Bedebadaba doo. This topic needs to be locked because OMG relgon si 2 contrvesrial.


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I don't think that this needs to be locked yet. So long as we are thinking our arguments through, it is not so much an argument as a debate.

However, have you sat and counted the contradictions in your post, Heatman?

I agree that if God were real (remember, I'm refraining from saying one way or another), he would probably value being a good person over which God you believe in. It may affect it, but I think that a good person who is just and has no prejudice and never said anything or did anything wrong but happens to be athiest would still get to heaven because the good person they were overweighed the lack of faith.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 21:24:33 [Post link]
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I love God. He gave us all life to come here live here to live and love. Wait up though, is this like love for God or like a person? Well, I also really like this one girl at my school, almost love. There are other beautiful girls at my school, but this one I really like, and even though I'll never be in her league, I will always like her... But love is beautiful, even if I'll never get the one that should be with me... :(

Love is great. Although I may never get it again, it's great.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 21:48:00 [Post link]
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If he turns you away, it's not because he hates you and doesn't want you to enter, or even doesn't like you; he hates sin and CAN NOT allow it to enter heaven.


That's just rediculous. Lemme point out a few things.

If god is supposed to be perfect, that means he doesn't make mistakes, right? But then why'd he flood the entire world AND THEN apologize for it afterward? Apologizing for doing ANYTHING means it was a mistake to begin with.

Moving even farther back, remember the tree of knowledge? That one tree with the apples that Adam and Eve were forbidden to touch? If god was so perfect, why didn't he just take the tree and put it where the two couldn't GET at it? It's common sense, people. We use it in our homes all the time. When we cook on our stoves, we make sure that the pot and pan handles are pointed inward towards the stove, so that curious young children don't spill the hot food all over themselves by tugging on them. And we put pills up in high places to keep children from eating them. If god is so perfect why didn't he do this simple thing? Maybe take the tree of knowledge and place it up high on some floating island where nobody could get to it?

And another thing that I can't quite make out. In the bible it says that a snake enticed adam and eve to eat the apples, and that as punishment, the lord cursed the snake, saying something like, "you and your kind shall forever walk on your bellies". Didn't it do that allready, since it WAS a snake? Or is the bible suggesting that snakes once had legs? And if it was just the one snake who committed the crime, why did god punish ALL snakes, and not just the one? That doesn't sound like a fair and merciful god at all.

My point? You say God wants heaven to be perfect, but that's impossible. Because God himself is imperfect. (Based on proof FROM THE BIBLE ITSELF, mind you.) Are you going to tell me a god can create perfection when he himself is not perfect?

This is one of the reasons I find it hard to believe in religion. I believe this also disproves your earlier statement that the bible is, and I quote...

"the truth."

Perhaps the only thing I agree with in your post is that this topic needs to be locked. It'll only lead to more bickering.

[Edited on 27-1-2006 by FlareMan]


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 21:54:53 [Post link]
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I don't think that this needs to be locked yet. So long as we are thinking our arguments through, it is not so much an argument as a debate.


One that seems to be taking the topic farther and farther from its original purpose.

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However, have you sat and counted the contradictions in your post, Heatman?


Kssh! Sir, direct attack! Prepare for defensive manuvering.

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I agree that if God were real (remember, I'm refraining from saying one way or another), he would probably value being a good person over which God you believe in. It may affect it, but I think that a good person who is just and has no prejudice and never said anything or did anything wrong but happens to be athiest would still get to heaven because the good person they were overweighed the lack of faith.


But see, that doesn't make sense. The Bible states that nobody comes to the Father except through Jesus. That means that as a Christian, I cannot agree with that POV, Air.

Flareman; He wasn't apologizing for the flood because he was wrong, he was saying he was sorry he had to do that, that he was sorry that it came to that.

And as for the COMMON SENSE point, the entire purpose of the tree was to provide free will. No tree, no will.

And as for the point about snakes, I don't think he was actually cursing the snakes per se. I think that, since it was Satan in the guise of a snake, he was cursing Satan.

Anyway, if you guys want to debate on whether or not God is an imperfect dick--I'll not have you tell me what my God is, thank you.--take it to another friend. Let this one stay on the topic it was meant to.

BTW, the word is 'ridiculous'.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 21:55:06 [Post link]
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Or is the bible suggesting that snakes once had legs? And if it was just the one snake who committed the crime, why did god punish ALL snakes, and not just the one? That doesn't sound like a fair and merciful god at all.


That's the evolutionist theory.

And Zera, I think this topic was about love for God, not love for a girlfriend...unless you fancie God, but that just gets...confusing (not to mention slightly blasphemous o.0 )

[Edited on 27/1/06 by Samsara]


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1. You expected him to flood the world and then just look the other way? He means he's sorry he had to do that, not sorry that he did it. I think, of course, this is my interpretation.

2. If man hadn't had the OPTION of eating from the forbidden tree, he wouldn't have had free will, and without free will, he would not have been able to love God.

3. I'm sort of under the impression there were only a few of each species of animal at the time. He and his family would get it, therefore, because he had it himself. That's simply hereditary.

God's perfect, and I can't explain that articulatly for him. But that's my faith's founding, and I'm sticking to it.

And the topic still needs to be locked.

EDIT: Heh, X beat me to the punch, but I like his snake explanation better.

[Edited on 27-1-2006 by Heatman.EXE]

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How about this? This topic is only meant for those who believe it. If there is going to be a debate, make a topic for it.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:05:29 [Post link]
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Flareman; He wasn't apologizing for the flood because he was wrong, he was saying he was sorry he had to do that, that he was sorry that it came to that.
Meaning he was sorry that he didn't think of another way. Still a mistake IMO.


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And as for the COMMON SENSE point, the entire purpose of the tree was to provide free will. No tree, no will.

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2. If man hadn't had the OPTION of eating from the forbidden tree, he wouldn't have had free will, and without free will, he would not have been able to love God.
So, once again. He gives us free will, and then blatantly tells us things like, "You'll go to hell if you don't acknowledge me as your god!" and, "DON'T EAT THAT!"!?

... something doesn't add up.


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And as for the point about snakes, I don't think he was actually cursing the snakes per se. I think that, since it was Satan in the guise of a snake, he was cursing Satan.
I do distinctly remember the "and your kind" comment. So he definitely meant the snakes, which is unfair.


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I'll not have you tell me what my God is, thank you.--take it to another friend. Let this one stay on the topic it was meant to.
And I'll not have people telling me I'm going to suffer an eternity in an endless abyss because I don't want to beleive in something that doesn't make any sense whatsoever...


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BTW, the word is 'ridiculous'.
I'll spell "Rediculous" however I please. Xp
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God's perfect, and I can't explain that articulatly for him. But that's my faith's founding, and I'm sticking to it.
That's fine. I'm not trying to say you're a nut for believing what you do. I just get defensive when people try to force their beliefs on me.

... and don't you dare tell me that saying "You'll go to hell because you don't believe in god", isn't forcing your beliefs on me.

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Shortened for your convenience.

[Edited on 27-1-2006 by FlareMan]


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:14:08 [Post link]
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Flareman; He wasn't apologizing for the flood because he was wrong, he was saying he was sorry he had to do that, that he was sorry that it came to that.
Meaning he was sorry that he didn't think of another way. Still a mistake IMO.


Nope, can't really believe that. God wasn't apologizing for what he did, so much as he was sorry that the situation had left him no choice. God always has a plan, nothing ever catches him off-guard.


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And as for the COMMON SENSE point, the entire purpose of the tree was to provide free will. No tree, no will.
So, he gave us free will, and then blatantly told us to our face DO NOT EAT THAT?

... something doesn't add up.


Yeah, he told us not to. But let us make the choice of whether or not we would obey.

We didn't.


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And as for the point about snakes, I don't think he was actually cursing the snakes per se. I think that, since it was Satan in the guise of a snake, he was cursing Satan.
I do distinctly remember the "and your kind" comment. So he definitely meant the snakes, which is unfair.


Then a good portion of his speech stops making sense. If he was talking to Satan--and his kind, the demons--then this next part makes sense.

And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

The offspring being Jesus, had his heel struck by being crucified, by rising from the dead, he was able to conquer said death, and as a result Satan, crushing his head, so to speak.

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I'll not have you tell me what my God is, thank you.--take it to another friend. Let this one stay on the topic it was meant to.
And I'll not have people telling me I'm going to suffer an eternity in an endless abyss because I don't want to beleive in something that doesn't make any sense whatsoever...


Guess what I didn't say?

And yes. Yes it does make sense.

(prepare for the epic: "Yes it does" "No it doesn't" debate of 2006 :P)

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BTW, the word is 'ridiculous'.
I'll spell "Rediculous" however I please. Xp
Thank you.


And you're telling me Christianity doesn't make any sense. ;)


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:15:18 [Post link]
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Indeed, it is not man's place to be judge of himself or other men. So, yeah.

And yes, he gave us free will even so. Something without free will cannot love, and one of the requirements for entering heaven as I see it is that you must love God with all your heart. He made the tree to test our faith, as he says he shall test it, because that is the test of the extent of our love: and it was a test we failed.

[Edited on 27-1-2006 by Heatman.EXE]


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I agree that if God were real (remember, I'm refraining from saying one way or another), he would probably value being a good person over which God you believe in. It may affect it, but I think that a good person who is just and has no prejudice and never said anything or did anything wrong but happens to be athiest would still get to heaven because the good person they were overweighed the lack of faith.


But see, that doesn't make sense. The Bible states that nobody comes to the Father except through Jesus. That means that as a Christian, I cannot agree with that POV, Air.


First off, I would like to say that I do not think that the Bible is reliable in all aspects, especially not the New Testiment.

However, I think that this metaphore would fit:

Every indevidual aspect of being a "good Christian" will earn you a single point each.

Every indevidual of being a "bad Christian" will lose you a single point each.

Not believing in God will lose you one, maybe two points.

If you have a positive number by the time you die, you make it to heaven.

I'm not saying that's how it would work, but what I am saying is that it would be measured, weighed and everything will be taken into account.

BTW, I never meant that contradictory thing to be a direct attack. It's just that's what I find about organised religion. The hypocrecy (and don't say there's not hypocrecy in the church, there is and it has nothing to do with the religion itself) and the constant contradictions. Mainly because of God having buggar all to do with the creation of much of the Bible.

Also, if you wish to make a "God's love is beautiful" thread without being interupted by agnostics and athiests, I'd advise you to go to an all theist forum, because that's the only way you'll be able to "praise in peace".

Besides, one thing I dislike about organised religion such as this is the "blind faith" invovled. It has the whole "don't ask questions" thing going. Unfortunately, all that does is raise further questions.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:28:34 [Post link]
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Nope, can't really believe that. God wasn't apologizing for what he did, so much as he was sorry that the situation had left him no choice. God always has a plan, nothing ever catches him off-guard.

WATCH OUT FOR THAT SNAKE!

... whoops, too late.


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Yeah, he told us not to. But let us make the choice of whether or not we would obey.

We didn't.

And now we're doomed to a limited lifespan to live on a barren land to fend for ourselves! YAY!


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Then a good portion of his speech stops making sense. If he was talking to Satan--and his kind, the demons--then this next part makes sense.

*BUZZ!* Incorrect! There were no demons as of yet, not until AFTER Satan was cursed. If I remember correctly he hadn't been thrown out of heaven just yet, as in, he was still an angel.


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And you're telling me Christianity doesn't make any sense. ;)

I'm telling you it doesn't make sense to ME. NOW who's missing the obvious things?


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I'm pretty sure it goes without saying that I disagree with most of your post. Respectfully, of course.

(and yes, I know you weren't making an attack, but I had to cut the rising tension)

Anyway, I'm wondering that if I put a christian message in my sig, would I get debates in my PM box? :lol:


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Yeah, he told us not to. But let us make the choice of whether or not we would obey.

We didn't.

And now we're doomed to a limited lifespan to live on a barren land to fend for ourselves! YAY!


Here's the part of the myth (which that story is, in my eyes) which doesn't make sense. Every living thing on the planet has a limited lifespan and will eventually die. Why is the fact that we are no different so amazing and unusual?

Also, if we were once immortal, that means we would never die. If we would never die, we would never get to heaven which, accorgint to the Bible, is bliss. In which case, how is making humanity mortal a punishment?


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:40:44 [Post link]
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"Yes it does!"

"No it doesn't!"

"Yes it does!"

"No it doesn't!"

Yep. I think that the issue here is pride. Neither side will give into the other, even if that side knows that the other is right.

Really, how can the Bible not make sense? It makes perfect sense if you look at it without your own beliefs getting in the way.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:40:51 [Post link]
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I'm pretty sure it goes without saying that I disagree with most of your post. Respectfully, of course.

(and yes, I know you weren't making an attack, but I had to cut the rising tension)

Anyway, I'm wondering that if I put a christian message in my sig, would I get debates in my PM box? :lol:

I'm trying not to be attacking, either. But it just doesn't settle well with me that people really believe you go to hell just because you say or think god might not be real. And that if I don't want to end up in the infinite abyss of torment and sorrow, I have to become a devout Christian and make sure not to screw up in the very slightest.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:48:34 [Post link]
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"Yes it does!"

"No it doesn't!"

"Yes it does!"

"No it doesn't!"

Yep. I think that the issue here is pride. Neither side will give into the other, even if that side knows that the other is right.

Really, how can the Bible not make sense? It makes perfect sense if you look at it without your own beliefs getting in the way.


I think it only makes sense if you read it with your own beliefs.

I also think that the Bible depends on how you are reading it. I believe it is supposed to be a religious document. This means a series of myths/fables which serve as a guide to being a better person/christian with a tiny bit of "who/why?". I don't believe it is supposed to be seen as a historical or an entirely factual document.


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:52:34 [Post link]
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I also think that the Bible depends on how you are reading it. I believe it is supposed to be a religious document. This means a series of myths/fables which serve as a guide to being a better person/christian with a tiny bit of "who/why?". I don't believe it is supposed to be seen as a historical or an entirely factual document.


Exactly. Thank you.

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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:54:06 [Post link]
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So...

HOW ARE THOSE STEELERS?


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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:54:56 [Post link]
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So...

HOW ARE THOSE STEELERS?


Oh, yes. I apologize, this hijack is totally my fault for trying to pull logic into a religious topic.... more apologies.

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Posted on January 27, 2006 at 22:55:09 [Post link]
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And Flare, I don't think there's any chronological record of when Satan and his demons got thrown out of heaven. I'm sure it was before the Fall of man.


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