What are your guys thoughts on Green Day? Well, here is mine...


Green Day... it has really changed, from the day they wore some t shirt to today where they look like some goths. They were once a really good and cool band, really. I remember when my brothers got Dookie way back on their cassette players and listened to it like all the time. I grew up with these noises in my ears, until today, where my brothers won\'t even buy American Idiot. To tell you the truth, they sorta lost faith with Green Day when the Internation Superhits! came, since it seemed like the band was slowly going away, due to the fact that a lot of bands release those types of albums when they are going away. Well, my brothers got American Idiot about 3 weeks before it came out (don\'t ask, you know), and deleted the next day. I mean, if you really think about it, the band went down from being those punks when they brought out that acustic. Now, I don\'t have anything against acustic guatars, I actually like them when they are used nicely, but punk bands aren\'t the bands to use them in my opinion. 39/Smooth (or something like that, forgot) was pretty good, then there was Kurplunk, which again, was good. Then Dookie hit. That album is one of the best albums I have ever listened to, if not the best (in my opinion, please don\'t flame me). I still have the 2 Dookie cassettes my brother got when they were about my age, and I still listen to it a lot. But when I look at Billie Joe, Mike Dirnt, and Tre Cool these days, they look like a totally different band. F*ck, kids at my school (ages 10-14) actually think Green Day is a new band. They also think they are gothic. Now, thats what really pisses me off. A lot. I took my Insomniac CD to school once to listen to in the bus, and like everyone who saw it thought it was a new album by Green Day. Now, I\'m just standing there, and I\'m like \"WTF.\" That is another thing that pisses me off about American Idiot. Now, their apperance. Well... it has also changed. I remember seeing some old Green Day concerts on some old tapes, and I really noticed how much they have changed. Messed up guatar straps, T shirts, and some pants. Now, they wear all black, except for maybe a tie or something. But my point is, they just don\'t look the same.

Hopefully, with the new album they are going to start working on later will be a different... a lot different from American Idiot. Who knows, it may never happen. But I hope it will be somewhat like Insomniac and below.

Dr. Thorpe shares my opinion of Green Day. They won one of the Worlds Greatest Dad Awards.

Most Inescapable Band

Green Day

Seriously, will these **** not get the hell off of my radio for ten **** minutes? I thought I was done with them ten years ago, but they keep popping up again like one of those inflatable clowns with a concrete base. In 2005 they seemed to be omnipresent; I heard them on MTV, on MTV2, on the pop station, on the modern rock station, and I swear I even heard them on the classic rock station. How could a band so **** insignificant take up so much space? It’s like when your cat manages to find a way to sleep so that it takes up 90% of the bed’s surface area, and you wake up with the cat in the exact geometric center of the bed and you’re all splayed like you’ve just been thrown off a horse.

Runner-up: Fall Out Boy, who were similarly positioned.

Dude.

Dr. Thorpe is awesome.

Dude the lead singer wears a black shirt that is like 2 sizes to small for him. it looks freaky. also why do they dress like goths now?

I, personally, think that it is great that Green Day can make many different styles of music and pull it off well. I can\'t see why you hate Good Riddance and others like it so much. What is so bad about a punk band doing an accoustic song every so often? As I recall, it was very popular at the time, so they must have been doing something right.

More recently, Green Day have proven their versitility once again by changing their style yet again, this time in the format of an amazing rock opera. There is not a single song on the American Idiot album that I dislike.

Green Day keep going from strength to strength. The only worry I have for them is that the American Idiot album is so different, it was probably a fluke. The album they were working on before was apparently so bad they destroyed it and covered it up. This begs the question \"can the next one live up to the same standard?\". A part of me doubts it.

I, personally, love Green Day. My favorite CDs by them are Warning and Dookie. Most people are trashing Green Day because of their new look and American Idiot. I really could care less. I mean, American Idiot is okay with me.

Well whatever you can all attack me now with your flames about American Idiot.

Agreed. The only song I didn\'t like on the album was \"Give me Novacaine.\" But let\'s be honest, if you don\'t like Green Day, if you think they suck nowadays, it\'s probably because you don\'t like the new style of music. It\'s not that they aren\'t as good, they\'re just targeting a different group.

I mean, some people think Picasso sucked, others think he\'s the shiznit. It\'s all about taste.

I agree with you. I don\'t like the new Green Day much, I like the older Green Day. I guess they thought they could make more money with this new group... But didn\'t Dookie make a lot more than American Idiot?

Maybe that showed that possibly money wasn\'t the only incentive in changing the style. I mean, if the old style was making so much money, why change?

And X just has to prove he can be the most mature person here yet again

(Picasso was an artist, not a biologist and we can see why)

People dislike Greenday because they have sold out. They are just like any other kind of mainstream pop act.

Greenday is one of those bands that was never underground. They hopped on a major label just to make money (This is selling out).

They pass themselves off as punk but by saying that they are following something. Punk is about leading yourself, not following.

Greenday follows other bands and artists\' examples. A punk is someone like Elvis who what out to do what he/she wants, NOT follow someone else.

Greenday is a band of \"punkers,\" people that try to be \"punks.\" It\'s really posing only with a more generous title.

An example of a punker is someone who wears plaid pants, dyes their hair pink, and gets a mohawk just because it\'s what everyone else is doing.

Greenday has conformed to the newest style that is all the rage now. Dark clothes, thin tie, and eyeliner...lots of it.

This image, while seeming rebelious, is simply a front for the new crop of ansty teens and preteens. That\'s why there are so many that wear that these days, they are attracted to that image.

The image is easier to display if there is music that is easy to emote to. This is the forte` of pop music. They select a tone of emotion and use that to drive their sales. The overall tone of recent day popular music is lack of personality. Most teens and preteens want to be different but they don\'t know how. The majority end up listening to the radio and watching Mtv for direction. X number of teens watch and hear the Greenday songs and emote to the general message of the songs and those same teens become the \"gothed out\" youth taking up so much of the world.

And to Samsara: Picasso has a message in his works but that is a topic for another day.

And the Sex Pistols didn\'t? The Sex Pistols weren\'t all about image? They didn\'t get a record deal and become famous?

Every other punk band has done exactly the same thing, so what\'s special about Green Day?

Quite frankly, I don\'t care about \"image\". I don\'t look at what the person is dressed like or what they look like to see whether I should listen to their music. As someone who loves to listen and play music myself, that\'s all I am interested in: the music. Green Day are anything but pop, I can tell you.

And I really couldn\'t care less about Picasso. What I said in brackets was sarcasm.

I never mentioned Sex Pistols and your use of \"Every other punk band\" is a very, very general statement. There are bands from the San Fran hardcore scene like Flipper that NEVER got a label.

And tell me, is Greenday on the top 40\'s list of popular music? Do they not have ringtones promoted on their website? They are a pop(ular) music act.

They are the rock version of Paul McKartney, a pop act that was once part of something great.

The Sex Pistols are often used as an example of a well known punk band, if not THE most well known punk band, hence why I used them as an example.

OK, then, let me make that statement more specific: \"Almost every punk band you have ever heard of...\"

And as for the \"pop\" part, it really depends on your own definition of \"pop\". Whether it means pop as in \"popular\" (the original meaning) or pop as in a separate style in it\'s own right, mainly meaning manufactured popular crap like Will Young, Girls Aloud etc. If you are looking at it in the latter definition, then Green Day are far from pop.

So they\'ve sold out because they\'re popular? So was the idea then to do everything they could to not hit the charts? I\'m not sure I understand that part of the argument, since I\'m sure it\'s a lot more convincing than how I\'m reading it.

And Samsara, I live on both ends of the spectrum really. Sure, I can be mature, but I can also be incredibly immature too.

For the record, I\'m not saying that Green Day is as good in music as Picasso was in art, I think very few can be complimented that way. But you understand my point, right?

Mega_X: I\'m not saying that they sold out by becoming popular. They sold out by writing what the record company wanted them to and whoring themselves out.

You\'ll never see a Guttermouth or Satanics ring tone. Green Day has put their easy to swollow angst on a plate for every one an their grandmother to take a peice.

Samsara: The Satanics. Ever hear of them? No? They were a hardcore punk band that was never signed to a major label. Joy Division? Yeah, you might know them. They were indie. Aquabats? Indie. Hot Hot Heat? Indie.

See? There are bands you know that aren\'t whored out for money like Green Day.

[Edited on 2/1/2006 by mr.match]

Or are you simply saying that because their new music is not your taste?

No. I actually enjoy their older stuff and even a few tracks off American Idiot. I say they\'ve sold out, not to bash them, but because they have.

Match wins!

You played the greatest role in this story.

Oh. Well I\'ve been powerfully pwned.

Carry on.

According to your logic, Match, any music I\'ve ever heared of, I should hate simply because I\'ve heared of them. They are making money through writing music that people like, and I should not like their music because of it. They have got a record deal and have made their music available to more people and, unless they wanted to become a plumber, too, that is the only thing they could have done.

Are you seriously saying, then, that if you had music that people liked and a major record label says that they will want to publish your music to everyone so that people in more places could enjoy your music (and not to mention the money that would go with that) you wouldn\'t do it?

Saying this is like saying a Mechanic, a teacher or anything else like that should do it for free because as soon as they make money out of it they are being \"whored out\" as you put it.

Wow...did you read what I posted? I never said that I didn\'t like them. I seems to recall a post saying that I enjoy their earlier stuff and ever a bit of the new.

I never told you to stop liking them. All I said was that they have moved away from the ideology of \"punk\" and transended into pop.

One of my favorite bands, Sonic Youth, is signed to Geffen (You know, that label Nirvana was on) and I still love their work just as much as I did before.

Sonic Youth, however, has never conformed to the lastest trends and changed their music to spike record sales and make money like Green Day has.

Punks are the ones that don\'t conform. Green Day has forgotten that and have become clay for the industry fat cats to mold to whatever the next \"big thing\" will be.

EDIT: People enjoy the rackets I make. You know what I do? I make more for them because I enjoy doing it so much.

I\'ma be on a mix tape =P

[Edited on 2/2/2006 by mr.match]

Yes I did read it and I know you said that you like some of it.

I\'d say more general rock, than pop. And I know you never told me to stop liking them, I was just explaining what your logic was saying if you follow it through.

You don\'t know that\'s the reason. It could be beacause they thought that they could do it better than a lot of other bands. They thought that the old punk didn\'t suit the lyrics of the new music so they changes to suit that. It could have been an experiment. Whatever the reason, though, it worked and they made a very good album as a result. Besides, you don\'t think they would exist for 16 years and not change, did you? Queen changed their style of music quite a few times and this enabled them to last for thirty years.

Also, if you like some of the songs on the new album, can the change really be that bad?

Like they did to create Blink 182? What Green Day are used for, I don\'t think is up to them. Who is influenced by them is not their choice.



If a major record lable expressed a liking for your \"rackets\", as you put it, would you tell them to shove the money where the sun don\'t shine?

I admit I like most of Dookie, and occasionally I have the strength to listen to American Idiot. But other than that I shun them.

Why shun a band you like at least one album of? Surely that one album should be enough for you to say you find them OK, but nothing particular?

However, most people here are alright. At Proboards Support, there are members who actually put hate messages of them in their signitures o.0 Why waste time making a little graphic about them?

I don\'t just dislike one of their albums, it\'s pretty much Insomniac+. Maybe 2-4 songs per album are good, but the rest aren\'t. It\'s the same for me with all their albums, except all the songs in Insomniac and below are really good in my opinion.

I stil love green day!

Uh, because they\'re crap now and you\'re embarrassed to know they still exist?

I used to be a huge Metallica fan. My god.

Ahh yes Metallica thanks to them they are even more catious with the on-stage flames.
Either way Dookie was great, but American idiot is a name that is worse then Jean Claude Van Damme\'s rock music for peoples, and the music was just as bad. (With the excecption of Jesus of Suburbia)

I personally couldn\'t care less what an album is called. Saying that Jesus of Suburbia is better than the rest of the songs on the album doesn\'t make sense from the \"don\'t like the new style\" point of view beacause it is the most typical \"American Idiot\" style song on the album.

However, if there is any album you like, then you shouldn\'t shun them. there are lots of albums which make one good album and then fizzel out and the rest are crap. However, I still say I like them bacause of the one good album.

As a side note, did you know that if you play the chord sequence to Bohemian Rhapsody on guitar, it works (although is not strictly correct) for Give me Novacaine.