Topic: Who\'d win in a fight?

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Morph- your question about Samus? (Nintendo- please clarifiy) She IS from Nintendo. No Capcom or whatever- just Nintendo. Kinda like how Mario bros. is just Nintendo.

-Ri

What about that company name that flashes at the beginning of Metroid Prime games? Retro Labs or somethin\'.

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Originally posted by Rioni Riishu
Morph- your question about Samus? (Nintendo- please clarifiy) She IS from Nintendo. No Capcom or whatever- just Nintendo. Kinda like how Mario bros. is just Nintendo.

-Ri

What about that company name that flashes at the beginning of Metroid Prime games? Retro Labs or somethin\'.

Retro labs does not own Metroid in any way. They are just the company in Texas that was comissioned to help make the game.

Also, everyone already knows that Samus is a human. The Space Pirates make it clear that they know. And, you can see her face through her visor. On top of everything... seeing as they\'re both GOOD, they wouldn\'t fight. And, taking the zeroth law into place, lesse.. oh yes.. Samus is fighting to save the galaxy, including the human race... killing her would be detrimental to the human race.

[Edited on 7-3-2006 by Shadowfire]

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[quote]Originally posted by Shadowfire

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Originally posted by Mr.Mettaur

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Originally posted by Rioni Riishu
Morph- your question about Samus? (Nintendo- please clarifiy) She IS from Nintendo. No Capcom or whatever- just Nintendo. Kinda like how Mario bros. is just Nintendo.

-Ri

What about that company name that flashes at the beginning of Metroid Prime games? Retro Labs or somethin\'.

Retro labs does not own Metroid in any way. They are just the company in Texas that was comissioned to help make the game.

Also, everyone already knows that Samus is a human. The Space Pirates make it clear that they know. And, you can see her face through her visor. On top of everything... seeing as they\'re both GOOD, they wouldn\'t fight. And, taking the zeroth law into place, lesse.. oh yes.. Samus is fighting to save the galaxy, including the human race... killing her would be detrimental to the human race.

[Edited on 7-3-2006 by Shadowfire] [/quote]

Yes, but as long as Megaman is able to rationalize it to make it seem like killing Samus would be positive, then he could invoke the Zeroth law. I\'m not saying that it wouldn\'t be detrimental, but the three laws are fairly flexible. It all depends on what the robot in question sees and understands.

Spider777

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Samus: Oh, Megaman.... Oh.....

... NAUGHTY!:devil:

I still pick Mega, regardless.

[Edited on 7-3-2006 by Spider777]

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[quote]Originally posted by Spider777
Samus: Oh, Megaman.... Oh.....

... NAUGHTY!:devil:

I still pick Mega, regardless.

[Edited on 7-3-2006 by Spider777] [/quote]
That is sick, you know? Megaman looks like he\'s freaking 12... Samus is late 20s/early 30s. So, not only would that be cradle robbing, it\'d be reverse loli, and statutory Rape. For a 14-year-old you certainly have a dirty mind.

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[quote]Originally posted by Mega X.exe
[quote]Originally posted by Shadowfire

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Originally posted by Mr.Mettaur

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Originally posted by Rioni Riishu
Morph- your question about Samus? (Nintendo- please clarifiy) She IS from Nintendo. No Capcom or whatever- just Nintendo. Kinda like how Mario bros. is just Nintendo.

-Ri

What about that company name that flashes at the beginning of Metroid Prime games? Retro Labs or somethin\'.

Retro labs does not own Metroid in any way. They are just the company in Texas that was comissioned to help make the game.

Also, everyone already knows that Samus is a human. The Space Pirates make it clear that they know. And, you can see her face through her visor. On top of everything... seeing as they\'re both GOOD, they wouldn\'t fight. And, taking the zeroth law into place, lesse.. oh yes.. Samus is fighting to save the galaxy, including the human race... killing her would be detrimental to the human race.

[Edited on 7-3-2006 by Shadowfire] [/quote]

Yes, but as long as Megaman is able to rationalize it to make it seem like killing Samus would be positive, then he could invoke the Zeroth law. I\'m not saying that it wouldn\'t be detrimental, but the three laws are fairly flexible. It all depends on what the robot in question sees and understands. [/quote]

First, my question was according to what Metty said: I did know she was Nintendo, but I thought it might be more. I mean, wasn�t Donkey Kong actually owned by another company?

Second, can we be sure MegaMan can do that? I mean, after all, he�s just a robot. He�s smart, but it prolly doesn�t really come very near to human intelligence, even so advanced.

And now I must add the secret reason #4:

THEY ARE BOTH GOOD GUYS, SO THEY WON�T HAVE MUCH REASON TO DESTROY/KILL ONEANOTHER.

Unless they�d have a BIG opinion-based argument on what to do what�s good. Samus might want to kill Wily, and Mega does not.

Hey! There�s another! MegaMan DOES NOT follow the Zeroth law:

Wily is of GREAT danger (yeah right) to humanity, and thus MegaMan - according to the Zeroth Law - should (be able to) kill him. HOWEVER, he never does.

We shall now continue with the program, already in progress.

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If Megaman is Asimov compatible, then he can follow the Zeroth law. Secondly, if he\'s anything like Asimov robots, then he can rationalize quite a bit.

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If Megaman is Asimov compatible, then he can follow the Zeroth law.

*ahum*

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Wily is of GREAT danger (yeah right) to humanity, and thus MegaMan - according to the Zeroth Law - should (be able to) kill him. HOWEVER, he never does.

Next!

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Secondly, if he\'s anything like Asimov robots, then he can rationalize quite a bit.

But still not as much as a human. Plus, robots can/do (usually) only carry out orders given by a human. If MM wasn\'t ordered by a human to kill Samus (and that there was a very, very, VERY good reason for) maybe he couldn\'t.

AND, Samus could show Mega she\'s human, and even IF he then still tried to kill her, Samus ordering him not to might be able to stop that. Might.

My greatest point still hasn\'t been brought down:

THEY ARE BOTH GOOD.

... Try me.

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Rioni Riishu
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Dude... I thought this was just \"who would win in a fight.\" Not \"would they ever fight\" or \"would Megaman follow the Asimov laws.\" Actually... watching you guys debate this is... funny.

-Ri

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Dude... I thought this was just \"who would win in a fight.\" Not \"would they ever fight\" or \"would Megaman follow the Asimov laws.\" Actually... watching you guys debate this is... funny.

-Ri

But the \"who would win\" has been done to death, really. It NEEDS some better flavour that is called \"WHY/WHEN/HOW/WHERE should the following people battle\"!

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Dude... I thought this was just \"who would win in a fight.\" Not \"would they ever fight\" or \"would Megaman follow the Asimov laws.\" Actually... watching you guys debate this is... funny.

-Ri

But the \"who would win\" has been done to death, really. It NEEDS some better flavour that is called \"WHY/WHEN/HOW/WHERE should the following people battle\"!

We have yet to get to the \"Why\" part, though.

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If Megaman is Asimov compatible, then he can follow the Zeroth law.

*ahum*

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Wily is of GREAT danger (yeah right) to humanity, and thus MegaMan - according to the Zeroth Law - should (be able to) kill him. HOWEVER, he never does.

Just because he didn\'t doesn\'t mean he can\'t. Perhaps he didn\'t have the time to come up with a logical reason, or perhaps he didn\'t have the time. That heartwarming scene was interrupted, remember?

Besides, he either follow Asimov\'s laws or he doesn\'t. You can\'t pick and choose.

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Secondly, if he\'s anything like Asimov robots, then he can rationalize quite a bit.

But still not as much as a human. Plus, robots can/do (usually) only carry out orders given by a human.

Bullshit. Read Asimov, man.

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AND, Samus could show Mega she\'s human, and even IF he then still tried to kill her, Samus ordering him not to might be able to stop that. Might.

Assuming he didn\'t have the Zeroth law in MM7, he could still be modified later to follow it. Plus, if he was convinced that Samus\' death would aid humanity, then Samus could not order him to stop. The Zeroth law takes precedence over the first, which takes precedence over the second.

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[quote]Originally posted by Shadowfire
[quote]Originally posted by Spider777
Samus: Oh, Megaman.... Oh.....

... NAUGHTY!:devil:

I still pick Mega, regardless.

[Edited on 7-3-2006 by Spider777] [/quote]
That is sick, you know? Megaman looks like he\'s freaking 12... Samus is late 20s/early 30s. So, not only would that be cradle robbing, it\'d be reverse loli, and statutory Rape. For a 14-year-old you certainly have a dirty mind. [/quote]I\'m 13!:devil:

Mega would win. He\'s immortal.

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*gets blown away by Mega X\'s mysterious power of the spoken word*

That was good. Really.
HOWEVER:

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Besides, he either follow Asimov\'s laws or he doesn\'t. You can\'t pick and choose.

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Assuming he didn\'t have the Zeroth law in MM7, he could still be modified later to follow it.

See? That\'s where you\'re getting it messed up. Either MegaMan does follow the ALL laws, or none.

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Bullshit. Read Asimov, man.

I\'d like to. Show me, please.

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*gets blown away by Mega X\'s mysterious power of the spoken word*

Eh, don\'t worry. I\'m a big nerd for this kinda stuff.

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That was good. Really.
HOWEVER:

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Besides, he either follow Asimov\'s laws or he doesn\'t. You can\'t pick and choose.

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Assuming he didn\'t have the Zeroth law in MM7, he could still be modified later to follow it.

See? That\'s where you\'re getting it messed up. Either MegaMan does follow the ALL laws, or none.

I actually wrote the second quote first. When I was almost done I went back to the beginning of my post and added the \"all or none\" statement. I just forgot to take out the second one.

Good catch.

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Bullshit. Read Asimov, man.

I\'d like to. Show me, please.

I\'ll be honest, I haven\'t actually read his books, but I\'ve read enough of his plot summaries to know that robots can rationalize well enough to find loopholes in the three laws. After all, that\'s where a good number of his conflicts come from.

Wikipedia is--as always--a good tool.

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*gets blown away by Mega X\'s mysterious power of the spoken word*

Eh, don\'t worry. I\'m a big nerd for this kinda stuff.

Ahh. No matter. I know someone else who can talk a helluva lot so you just get \'blown away\' by it.

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Good catch.

Baseball lessons help. =P

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I\'ll be honest, I haven\'t actually read his books, but I\'ve read enough of his plot summaries to know that robots can rationalize well enough to find loopholes in the three laws. After all, that\'s where a good number of his conflicts come from.

Ahaa... well then, we can either go on assuming things about MegaMan and keep this going, or send a \"BIG QUESTION MISTAHZ!\" letter to Capcom and ask.

... I don\'t feel like doing the latter. At least we can pretty much assume Reploids can do so.

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Wikipedia is--as always--a good tool.

You smart, smart-ass little man.

[Edited on 8-3-2006 by Morphman]

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Hardman
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Samus is a girl for crying out loud!
Megaman is older and has more games and more experince.

Yes, THAT Hardman. This is the new and improved one.

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So Samus can\'t win because she\'s a girl?

Rioni Riishu
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Gee, that sounded pretty sexist, Hardman...

-Ri

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Samus is a girl for crying out loud!
Megaman is older and has more games and more experince.

So, if Venus Williams played against Stephen Hawking in a tennis match.....

ANYWAY: Megaman seems programmed to dislike violence. Samus, on the other hand, was orphaned as a small child, and witnessed her parents\' brutal murders. That sort of experience gives someone a lot of motive... and sometimes, motive is all an outmatched person needs to win.

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Well let\'s be honest. Stephen Hawking could just open a few black holes and kick Venus\'s ass. So that\'s not the best example.

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Well let\'s be honest. Stephen Hawking could just open a few black holes and kick Venus\'s ass. So that\'s not the best example.

Meh.. he could also possibly use his pimped-out Transformers chair to wail... How about Madame Curie? Mia Hamm? Mother Theresa?

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Miss Curie would simply go nuclear, and \"Ma\" is holier than the Pope, which speaks for itself.

Now for another battle of teh sexes, Venus Williams VS Aquaman, and I don\'t mean the Robot Master/Navi.

Although I think the odds are a little too good in her favor.

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I refuse to vote.

I\'m just going to wait until Capcom produces \"Nintendo vs. Capcom\" on the Revolution or something.

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Miss Curie would simply go nuclear, and \"Ma\" is holier than the Pope, which speaks for itself.

Now for another battle of teh sexes, Venus Williams VS Aquaman, and I don\'t mean the Robot Master/Navi.

Although I think the odds are a little too good in her favor.

How about Hardman against a girl out for a midnight stroll with a taser and a bottle of mace? *shot*

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No no, if he thinks that a woman can\'t win against a man, he should play Venus Williams in tennis.

But we can try your idea after the game.\'

On the other hand, it bothers me how the media often likes to portray the women always winning. Hello? We men aren\'t exactly chopped liver here.

But, then they turn around and portray the men winning everything, which is cool and all. But not fair. There\'s no balance.

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So Samus can't win because she's a girl?

Damn right!!! XD

... that's what we call "sarcasm", folks.

Anywho, to get back on topic...

In terms of raw power, I'd have to say MegaMan. That charge shot wipes out tons of minor enemies in a single shot, whereas Samus's might take a few rounds. (Referring to Super Metroid, here.) Plus, as many of you pointed out, Samus is human underneath that suit, while MegaMan is mechanical through and through. He can withstand impact a little better. I imagine that if you smacked Samus around, that little human body of hers goes thrashing around inside the suit. (Well, of course the suit would absorb most of the shock, but still... it IS a suit. There is some variation between it's movement and hers, even if just a little.)

In terms of experience... I'd say I also have to give this one to Mega. MegaMan has had more experience fighting tough, mechanical enemies that can think and reason just as well as he can. Whereas Samus's only enemies thus far have been primative alien beasts. The only working brain among them would be the pirate leader, Mother Brain. She'd be ill-prepared for an opponent like Mega.

Now, as far as skill goes, I'd say it's close, but Samus comes out on top. She's definitely more agile. Probably not by a lot, but still enough to give her an advantage.

Flexibility is an iffy topic. It all depends. If both Samus and Mega are stripped to their basic abilities (Jumping, shooting, charging, sliding?), then I'd say Samus, but only by a small fraction. If they had all their weapons, then I'd have to say Mega, by THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS. The guy's got so many weapons that do all sorts of interesting things. He's got homing weapons, body-crash weapons (Top Spin/Charge Kick), BOMBS... and need we forget all the elemental weapons he could dish out?

So, my final word? MegaMan. Absolutely. It'd be a close fight, what with Mega being all hesitant and whatnot, but MegaMan just has so much over the bounty hunter...

Of course, he wouldn't KILL her... I mean, c'mon. He's MegaMan. Xp

Edited by FlareMan on May 22, 2006 at 11:52:28.

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Proto: I say X due to his unlimited potenial. I may edit this post soon for Megaman's sake.

The darkness is in all of us, including the light. We deny it, hate it, spite it. If we accept it, then it will become part of the light. The light is everywhere, for it is what makes everything come to life. The only one who saw this light was X, for he weild this light before he gave it to me. Let the elements become one so we can all see the one true light. ~ Michael from my future fanfic.