I think they had Peace Corps over there, Hollow. I dun know about any real militia.

Canada has one of the largest armies currently set in Afghanistan, and they are mostly located around Kandahar. That's why the outlet was built there.




That was seen again and again in the past.

Well, why don't you ask Wind, then, or the many other people who have decided to join the Army and/or Navy JUST for the $20,000 sign-on bonus? Now this is different then the marines but I can only assume the same... since the Marines have a lot more risk then then the Navy.

As for the rest of it, it is stil lnot wrong for them to say no... any more then it is wrong for a person with a 20-room house to say no to me when I ask them for a quarter. Just 'cause you don't have anything doesn't mean any party, ESPECIALLY a company is OBLIGATED to give it to you. It would just be a nice gesture if they did. Kinda the same reason I don't ask people for money unless I need something...

Seems your topic was about Starbucks either saying no coffe opr saying they don't suport the troops... either way, so what? It's called differing political views, not everyone supports them. They don't support war therefore don't send marines supplies... it's not the greatest logic in the world, but it's not wrong either.

And as for what Kerry said, again that is no big deal. It does not mean people who go into the military are idiots, as a matter of fact there's a required IQ test for the Army at least. However it is probably true that not many have gone to college for very long, because most military recruits are straight out of - or still in - high school at the time. I believe Stephen told me the maximum age was 24.

And people, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN so yeah. Of course they serve 13-year-olds...

And yes, they do serve "one small black coofe," along with chocolate-flavored coffee and along with hot chocolate and expensive pop (though that particular brand is actually more expensive in the gas station then it is at Starbucks).

Omega, I think, some types of coffe are good especially the frozen, but the "food" is horrible. Also they should allow refills on frozen as well as hot drinks, there's no difference except the ice.

But Starbicks DOES discrimiante against others. At least here they do. Moreso then any other place in the area, Starbucks will yell at anyone who deosn't look rich (even if they're not homeless) for sitting too close to the outside of the restaurant or coming in just to see if a friend is there... sometimes saying they're closed even if the person wants buy something, when they don't close for two more hours. And this is including the fact that many of the employees are very nice and will make friends with those very same people.


People have varying opinions here... I think that's pretty much trolling or something.


You know, I noticed, it's funny recently, about all the promations and brochures McDonald's does to make sure they're "giving back to the community"... their main stress that they want people to know about (since everybody already knows about the medical and children) is their "contributions to the environment"...

For fun, I'm going to actually BOTHER picking apart your post.

Look, Army and Navy are different, you get sign on for Navy, and not for Army. Get it? Marines and Air Force go the same way, it's not for everything. God forbid I've lived on a Military Base before, as well as asked my relatives about it, Grandfather was Marine, Brother Air Force, Uncle Navy, B iological father, Army. I know this, k?



Of course not, let them say no if they wish, hooray for patriotism, morals, and what not. Course, if I remember correctly America has kinda gone down on morals and partriotism, I believe in the civil war companys helped get supplies for the troops in the civil war. Course, the goverment could just TAKE it too.



What? They were saying they don't support the troops, not coffee, where the hell did you read that? And yes, majority support them, not just the ones running the show. Hell, if you don't support atleast the TROOPS then, well your mental. I can understand not Bush/Advisors, but god forbid the troops. =(



Actually it was a big deal, it went all over national TV, caused an uproar among many families as well as his own state that he came from, and he meant that people who went there were idiots, and are. That's his opinion of course. Also, theres not really a 'required' IQ test for the ARMY. Army actually accepts generally anyone they see physically fit, if your retarded and can be taught to use a gun, the Army will use you.

Also, most recruits are only out of high school, not in. Goverment can't drag you out of school. Law states if you are still in school you will not be taken into service, so say a draft comes, well the people in college get to stay in college, the others don't. Well, the ones not in school. Maxinum age for what? Military recruits? No, every MALE signs up at the age of 18. =\ <-- Mandatory sign-up.



K, so it didn't happen, people can still talk about it, duh?



Funny, Starbucks has never been expensive for me, and I go to the rich side of town. Vestavia.

And no, they shouldn't allow refills, maybe on soda and coffee, but Hot Chocolate, and the frozen whatever is still more expensive then majority things. You did take economics in class, I hope. That or Business Tech.



I would too, drives away business, sit elsewhere, like across the street. Don't want homeless people sitting outside my store, sheesh, thats like bad karma. I don't look rich, Starbucks doesn't yell at me. Course, if your going to walk around and not 'buy' anything, I'd probably shoo you out too.

(Psst, don't think I hate homeless people, I just wouldn't want them cluttering around my store~)

Also, nah Nasuke wasn't trolling.

kthxbye

Woo, for fun posts and disecting.

Edited by Sage on November 14, 2006 at 18:32:34.

Okay, then why don't you ask me three or four friends who are SITTING NEXT TO ME that joined the Army for the same reason, and quit purporting to know everything because you DON'T.


For one thing, THOSE people actually NEEDED it because they were SUFFERING along WITH the civilians. Coffe is not a daily nessecity. And somehow I highly doubt every single business and company in the entire country sent masses of supplies to soliders or anybody else... especially when so many of them didn't have any money themselves.


Just because something caused an uprorar does not mean it emans anything. I believe it caused a bigger news story when Britney Spears kissed Madonna... because people are idiots, as we can leant from watching you.


Again, why don't you submit that statement to the Army Recruiting Center on Southside and see what happens...


OBVIOULSY it's not QUITE mandatory since they ahve all these form you fill out that require you to sign up if yiu haven't yet... even at the age of 35... such as applications for food stamps, college grants, and certian types of jobs... so obvioulsy not everyone has already signed up or they wouldn't have those sections... Just becasue something is required by law does not mean it will happen. If people never join the military while in high school, again, how come I know of so many people who have done so...? And when did I say anything about the draft? No, I believe that was just you being stupid again... because I believe I said some people who join the military are stil lin high school.. notthat they were forced to quit high school... and, of course, those always those few I know who were 16 at the time, as well...


Then why did you and Kia say the exact same thing to those people?

Funny, Starbucks has never been expensive for me, and I go to the rich side of town. Vestavia.



lol... you've never been to starbucks, obvioulsy.... they don't serve fountain drinks... lol...

(Oh and last time I checked yes over $1 for a cup of small black coffe is considered expensive. If it is not expensive then why does everybody complain about the fact that they shouldn't charge so much? lol... )


If it drives away business, then how come the customers are always becoming friends with the hangout people? Oh wait a minute, I forgot, you're an idiot... idiots WILL sometimes think it drives away business... )but in relaity the idiots go into the store anyway and buy what they want and just look at peopole funny).


Really? I thought karma was something acquired only by yourself for doing bad things to people... such as telling themn where they can and cannot sit on public property... I also remeber specificlaly saying these people were NOT homeless...

[/quote]I don't look rich, Starbucks doesn't yell at me.[/quote]
You live in a house which is suposed to be expensive and wear clean clothes. You are also a tennager, and may be playing a GameBoy. If you lived in an apartment, had a small hole in your shirt, and were carrying a grocery bag full of those 25c thingies you can get from gas stations in this area, or were smoking a non-filtered cigarette, they would be rude to you.


There's no problem with that since this is a restaurant. If I can sit at McDonald's and not buy anything, there's no reason I can't sit at Starbucks and not buy anything. Or walk around wal-Mart and look at the merchandise... actually, people do that quite often in businesses; it's called the mall. Of course, if you yrll at somebody or try to makethem leave for sitting OUTSIDE your store when they haven't bought anything... (and I am talking about on a bench, in a park, in a field, etc., not on the sidewalk outside a door), then that will create bad karma... other people cannot create karma for you... you can only create it or dharma yourself...


What's wrong with congrgating? That's one of our constitutional right, first of all. Second of all that aplies to a certian type of people, and the type it applies to is NOT homeless people. It applies to crack-smokers, sometimes. It applies to "gangsta"-type people and skateboard kids. You'd think it applies to hippies, but it doesn't, 'cause if it's a business they like they suualy only bring one or two friends with them at a time. And last time I checked.... high school kids are a lot more liekly to travel in larger groups then homeless people. Hell, homeles people don't have groups to travel in... if they had that many friends they'd also have a floor or a couch.

I'm going to just ignore 'God' for now, as well...she tries to be politically correct. Aside from that, irrelevant discussions.

But, Black, yeah they have those at my Starbucks too.


Wind, I'm somewhat in agreement with you, asides the N thing, I kinda refrain from saying that regardless.

Edited by Sage on November 15, 2006 at 16:09:12.

I didn't, Dranzer, I called people in general idiots, which is an entirely different thing, and something most of you will agree on. I already know Sage is one them (the people who would agree).

I was not trolling Sage, I was telling him to stop being so damn arrogant all the time when he doens't know anything... not in regards to whether that applies to this specific situation, but in regards to how all his posts and IM convos always say what is and isn't true when you have proof of the opposite in your other open windows.

And you cannot be "wrong" when saying what I said... because there are no facts involved except for the fact that the Madonna thing caused a bigger "uproar" then what he said, which is true.

lol Wind... you should inform the government of this. Make sure only people who have had something done to them can press the charges in cases and such (except for murder, which should be able to be negated if the dead person has left a statement of no legal liability for the killer, as I've wanted to do for somebody twice were it possible).

And actually, it is NOT illegal to burn the American Flag... don't know why so many people think it is, but I found out yesterday that they were trying to pass a law on it and the notion was denied because it is considered unconstituional (yeah... stand up for people's rights to burn the American Flag as unconcstitutional... but not for denying people the right to camp out in the woods for 2 weeks? wtf?).

lol again Sage... only this time it's not a bad one. But I believe Wind was referring to the people who thought Starbucks was wrong when he said that, considering that's where he placed the setence at... though technically that's not political correctness. But no, I don't generally make a point at all of calling people "height-impaired" or "aleuts"... I just use whatever word comes to mind.

There are people like that, yes, but that does not nessecerily mean they congregate, because in most areas you can find many, many places that will give to either anyone who comes in or anyone who is respectful. Here they won't even give you a glass of water. And if there are feedings DESIGNED for homeless people or you start just ahnding food out, then they will come... as they're suppsoed to. But if you go into a place like Pizza Hut and they give you free food, the people will just walk in, ask for food, and then leave. They will not "hang out" outside your business.

Areas with a lot of homeless people (I know fo Chicago, New York, and Birmingham, AL for this to be true) do not create masses of friendships between them, because they are too different from each other to just hang out ALL the time... you find one or two to do that with. The only exception is if every person you're talking about are travelers and hippies all in one area. And they usually find ways to make money. The people who create :friendships" because of drug and alcohol addictions only hang out long enough to make deals and/or smoke/drink with each other, unless the drug is marijuana, which does not cause you to become or stay homeless. They may congregate near areas where people walking down the street are likley to be giving without being asked, but these are usually not near businesses unless it's a "mass merchant" (sich as Wal-Mart) or grocery-store type, and this usually happens because people notice it themselves not because they are told. However Starbucks Corp. is not giving towards any people, homeless or not... if they were they would not try to make them move from where they are sitting (last part of sentence and beyond applies to one particular). And did I mention that the place they are sitting is NOT part of Starbucks in the first place? It is a place designed for people to sit, like a bench would be only it's not a bench. Funny how they often don't bother you if you're sitting at the tables outside talking to customers or each other (unless they are busy and don't have enough tables for the customers). When homeless people go inside Starbucks to sit, they do not ask for money because it is not that type. They are clean people who sit there because it is cold and raining and no other business is open yet, or because they had bought something earlier, or because they do not want to be bothered by the degenerates, or because they are waiting for somebody. The degenerates, crackheads, drunks, and leeches do not bother because they really don't care where they are, if it is raining/dirty/cold, or whatever.

That Starbucks probabaly sells fountain drinks because it is in a store. A lot of places in stores will do odd things that they do not do outside of them, such as different Happy Meal toys.

And just because a particular menu item is more expensive does not mean it is different. The fact that it is more expensive kind-of makes it MORE likely that they should give free refills. The only difference from a regular coffe is the ice and the whipped cream, and ice is generally considered to be something free. They could omit the whipped cream from refills if they wanted to.
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Edited by God on November 16, 2006 at 8:34:33.

Yeah you were trolling, and gee, arrogant? I could of swore the word you should of used was ignorant, even though, neither are true. "All his posts, and IM Convos" God, shut up, you rarely speak to me anymore, my bad, not rarely, NEVER. Stop thinking of what people 'use' to be. Of course, you can't look beyond the cover of a book anyways.

Of course! I MUST be an idiot cause GOD says so, oh woe is me for not listening to GOD. God forbid. Like to know who else thinks I'm an idiot as the majority people I talk to everyday say otherwise, and if people in general are idiots, what the hell are you? A saint? I think not.


Also, why limit to be and Dranzer and leave Hollow out? Not scared I hope. Afraid big ol' bad Hollow might finish what I started on ripping your posts apart, course you create things, not find. Also, I know what Wind was referring too. Not that hard to comprehend.

Anyways, I could care less what Starbucks in reality does, as I said, I most likely would of done the same thing, aside from denying what wasn't real. I.e, the original topic.

Also, can we move on to something logical about Starbucks instead of this constant bickering God likes to start? I'd appreciate it.

I'm locking this, just because I can.

And as a "side note", first-hand experience is not convincing evidence to make a point or conclusion. Most lies start from people saying things they believe is true or usually true. Then it turns into a so-called "fact."

Class, for homework tonight, pick at least 3 posts from this topic and analyze for fallacies. Easy, no?


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