I was banned by Raegal for spam. Now I understand the spam but I never even got any warnings to begin with. Apparently I have been "dancing on the edge for days" but seriously, I never even got a single hint that I was allegedly "on edge" other than the fact that I hang out with a group of friends that recently joined the server. The spam wasn't even anything bad either, nobody was on and nobody complained other than this one guy who said "Ban hammer?" in all caps and I'm assuming he screenshotted my spam and reported it. Now I'm not saying I'm on some sort of high ground here but I don't really think that autobanning me as soon as getting on the server is the way around that. I should've at least gotten a single warning.

I too was involved with this as the "spam" in question included three messages of the same content back to back. Now we all understand that this is clearly behaviour which shouldnt be accepted. However the question must be asked, should there be no warning, and simply a decisive ban for saying the same thing three times back to back?

The "dancing on the edge" thing is a baseless claim, and menka is objectively innocent, having broken no rules. All I can ask is for anyone to prove that menka did anything wrong. I cannot establish his innocences, but i sure as heck cant establish his guilt.

Overall my punishment is explicitly tied to menka, as in his defense I "spammed" the words "ban me" three times over. And thus the standard should be upheld that the line between conversation and spam are three of the same back to back messages. As it was executed, there are to be no warnings and simply as swift ban with no explanation required. Granted the circumstance not upholding this standard of punishment puts into question the validity of our punishment, and inversely negating the punishment of one case would invalidate all the others ala house of cards.

tldr we really didnt do anything banworthy, and that theres no clear standard punishments for spam

Edited by Snippyaw on June 2, 2016 at 9:39:36

Even one of your friends told you to stop during your spamming:

[01:26:01] <@CreeperLaurasia> (_SUPERmenka_) if you press w and d while eating rotten flesh then it's a gurantee no poison
[01:26:15] <@CreeperLaurasia> (_SUPERmenka_) if you press w and d while eating rotten flesh then it's a gurantee no poison for sure
[01:26:25] <@CreeperLaurasia> (_SUPERmenka_) if you press w and d while eating rotten flesh then it's a gurantee no poison for realsies
[01:26:30] <@CreeperLaurasia> (jedenator) stop
[01:26:38] <@CreeperLaurasia> (_SUPERmenka_) if you press w and d while eating rotten flesh then it's a gurantee no poison for shizzle my nizzle
[01:26:49] <@CreeperLaurasia> (_SUPERmenka_) if you press w and d while eating rotten flesh then it's a gurantee no poison for izzle

I will see about it being looked into however, generally we don't ban on first offense. I'll check my logs to see if this is indeed, first warning.

As for Snippyw, you requested your ban, and it sticks, but you also went on and pestered the staff about it trying to belittle him. You always saying "just three lines" over and over, posted above was a small snippet, and that's already over three lines, learn to count.

[01:51:29] <@CreeperLaurasia> (Snippyaw) ban me
[01:51:31] <@CreeperLaurasia> (Snippyaw) ban me
[01:51:33] <@CreeperLaurasia> (Snippyaw) ban me
[01:51:35] <@CreeperLaurasia> (Snippyaw) rip
[01:51:37] <@CreeperLaurasia> (LizziMoo) oh no
[01:51:39] <@CreeperLaurasia> (Snippyaw) do it i dare you

As far as LizziMoo, that's jakeb500 bypassing ban, there's no question on that one.

I'm not going to paste the entire log of what happened, but you acted out of line especially with your pestering and trying to make jokes at staff

[01:57:47] <@CreeperLaurasia> (Snippyaw) but i mean cmon
[01:57:54] <@CreeperLaurasia> (Snippyaw) im the server spammer and all

Such as basically stating this over and over in different ways when Raegal was giving you a chance and pushing him, for twenty minutes. Poke the lion, get bitten, bans stand.

Also worth noting...

[01:53:37] <@CreeperLaurasia> (LizziMoo) if you kic me again im putting this info on reddit and telling them about the nitpickyness and peopl
[01:53:44] <@CreeperLaurasia> (LizziMoo) will flood

Like Raegal said, we don't take kindly to threats. "Defending" your friend by bypassing a ban and threatening puts your entire group on watch and edge. As staff we cannot risk our players if one if you decides to try anything as "retaliation". By continuing on, you hurt the rest of your "friends".

Edited by Masterlink on June 2, 2016 at 7:43:22

Jed told me to stop in a joking manner, we were all talking on a separate voice chat client and nobody even said anything there. Nobody else even stepped in and blatantly stated that it was disturbing them & yes you can check as many chat logs as you want, I have never even gotten a single hint that I have been "dancing on the edge."

I just feel like our group of new players has added to your small community and feel that we should not be discriminated due to the actions of just one person. That's like social stereotyping. Of all people, I believe that new players should be able to have the most opportunity because afterall, we've helped your community grow. We are not a giant toxic bomb that you staff members seem to see us as, when Snippy was ranting to Raegal after my ban, he was not attempting to attack him in any way. He was merely asking to be held to the same standard as I was, because he spammed. There isn't really a clear line to be drawn when it came to spam and overall this server's rules were not clear to us when we joined aside from the fact that there was no swearing.

And I also found it a little odd how if Raegal knew LizziMoo was Jakeb500 bypassing a ban, why was he not instantly banned as I was? He seemed to be giving him some sort of opportunity to bypass his ban while as for me, my only "bannable offense" has been spamming and as soon as he got on, I was instantly given the ban hammer.

I've unbanned you for now, it should have been a warning kick, but keep in mind for future reference. Always keep in mind that staff choices are at their discretion no matter where you are or what community you join. I would suggest lay off the snarkiness and play it cool, we do not discriminate new players and enjoy gaining new players to build awesome things. But you and your friends are riding the line with your seeming disrespect for authority. Your ban should have been up to you alone to state your case and have another staff member look into, not for others and you to simply banter about staff choices.

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