Allright. This here is my friend\'s truth about Squaresoft games. Just to when you THINK that square is doing great business and such, think AGAIN! By reading this, you\'ll understand why Square isn\'t really doing good business. Read here:

\"OK, here is the whole deal regarding Squaresoft:

For one, the company is a really good one. They have many games that have the
potential to make tons of money. However, they seem to have forgotten about
their lesser game series, such as SOM, SOE, and CT. The FF series has been
driven to the ground by Squaresoft\'s greed for cash. Normally I approve of such
actions -- hey, we\'re all in it for the money. Unfortunately, they took the
best series they had and thouroughly screwed it. Do I even have to mention
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within?? Almost every FF games after FF3/FF6 either
had horrible plotlines (FF7, FF8, FF10) or really cheesy character abilites or
concepts (like \"stealing\" magic from enemies in FF8, or the Knights of the Round
Table summons in FF7). Don\'t get me wrong, I played every single FF game that
has been released after FF3/FF6. Graphically these games rule, but as we all
know, graphics DON\'T MAKE THE GAME, GAMEPLAY MAKES THE GAME. In the case of
RPGs, complex plotlines are a must; making the game non-linear at some point is
a must-have, as well. Basically, the two BEST RPGs ever, which all other RPGs
must be compared to, are Final Fantasy III and Chrono Trigger. Both these games
have complex plotlines, especially CT. FF3 has several well-developed
characters, all of which aren\'t really the star of the show -- they ALL are the
stars. CT has incredible replay value; there are over 12 different endings in
this game! Face it, FF3 and Chrono Trigger are the gods of RPGs, followed by
SOM and SOE. Yes, they are old games, but they have something that very few
RPGs (for consoles, that is -- PC RPGs are almost always much more complex,
deep, and enthralling) today can match up with.

I\'ve really lost my faith in Squaresoft, despite the fact that now they intend
to produce exclusive games for the GCN and GBA and plan on going multi-console
with FFXI. It\'s clear where I\'ll have to go to satisfy my RPG needs: my SNES
and my PC.

That\'s my take on Squaresoft.\"

This is his whole truth based about Square.

Now before you guys hurt me on this, I have some thoughts on the whole thing reguarding to Squaresoft. First of all, they were doing good business with Nintendo. Final Fantasy, the first one for the NES, became a popular on in the 90\'s. Then came other games for the NES and the Super Nintendo. The most poplular among the other Super Nes games{ stated in his truth about Square} was Final Fantasy 3 and Chrono Trigger.

When the series were taken to 3-Dimensional, that\'s when he realized that Square when down in the dumpster. Take Final Fantasy 7, for example. What I thought of that game was that it has incredible gameplay and movie scenes in the game. What my friend thought of it was that the game...WAS A TOTAL JOKE!

Final Fantasy 8, however, wasn\'t even a good one. My friend also told me that his friend beaten the game, but soon he realized that the ENTIRE game has like...no STORYLINE! The plotlines in Final Fantasy 8 made NOOO sense! I was suprized by this.

Now if you have anything to say about this, dish it out and then we can discuss further on this.

Hmmm... I kinda saw that one coming... and I agree. Squaresoft IS losing it. That\'s why I said that I liked FF5. The system may be dopey for some, and the graphics may look Famicom-ish, but hey, the STORY is what\'s important here...

Before, RPGs were not accepted in the mainsteam market due to the required learning curve, and only the fans and hardened veterans of the older systems wanted to play (and believe me, that number was waaay low back then). FF7 made the genre go mainstream, and the rest, they say(but I don\'t necessarily agree on that, mind you) was history.

FF 7 -did- make the series go mainstream.

You can go to a message board, mention FF 7, and alot of the members will say \'omg tat game RULZZZ!!!11\' or \'Sephiroth is the greatest villian ever\' or whatever. A GRAND majority of supposed Final Fantasy fans started with FF 7.

I started with FF VI. Never got through it though, but eh.. Then I played FF VIII and got through that. I have no idea why FF VIII seems to be the first game for people to downplay, but whatever. I found it entertaining, and challenging. Squall kicked ass, I wanted to kill Rinoa, and Laguna provided all the silliness..yeah.

But it doesn\'t matter. With every future FF game or possibly CT game that is made, there will be little bitches that will hate them. If they use Uematsu for the music again, some will be happy, the majority will say he\'s \'getting old\'. If they don\'t use Uematsu, some will be happy, the majority will say the new guy sucks.

Square is screwed over since they have these annoying fans now. But hopefully they\'ll ignore them, and not alter the series to their tastes. That would be very bad, since that is what Capcom is doing to the X series.

[quote]Originally posted by Dr. Cossack
How long before Necro starts bitching? FF8 bashing is kind of a bad thing to do here, with him and Hollow roaming around

[Edited on 21-6-2002 by Dr. Cossack] [/quote]

Square\'s fault... without a doubt.

Wow, how presumptuous. :rolleyes: You know that there is no real truth anyone can say about Square unless they work for them, over in Japan. What your friend has there, is just a damn opinion. Learn the difference.

Yes, Square\'s just really a bunch of money grabbing bastards who are greedy for cash. They shell out garbage games to get our money. OH YES. :rolleyes: Why the bloodyfuck does everyone seem to comment on Square about this, yet ignore other companies? I mean, so what if they made the a Final Fantasy movie(which I add, I don\'t think was even that bad. Not a great movie, it\'s flaw was just holding the FF name), but you know what..? I recall there being a Mario movie, and a Street Fighter. Doesn\'t that make Nintendo and Capcom greedy for our money too? Or wait, are you just biased against Square? Actually, you know, Capcom is alot worse then Square with being greedy for money. How many fucking Street Fighter II games came out in the early 90\'s? And how about Street Fighter Alpha 2 and 3? That makes no sense, because they\'re sequels to a prequel of the series. I mean, what the fuck? They also seem to lack the ability to not make a sequel. I mean, how many Capcom games don\'t have one? =P But no, they\'re not just out for our money, are they? And to about Square making mainly only Final Fantasy games right now, they have lost quite abit money in the past year. As their flagship series, they know it will sell, opposed to something they just come up with that\'s new. They can\'t afford another screw up right now, so they\'re focusing on their priorities. And if you like SOM so much, go try Kingdom Hearts when it comes it, it\'s gameplay is supposed to be closer to it, then say FF.

Oh, and this line of your friend\'s, \"I\'ve really lost my faith in Squaresoft, despite the fact that now they intend
to produce exclusive games for the GCN and GBA.\" It makes him sound like a Nintendo fanboy, and we all know they\'re angry at Square for going to Sony... =P

I really wish people would stop comparing the new FF games to the old ones. The old ones aren\'t always technically better, it\'s more your happy memory of it makes it seem so. The series was new to you then, so it was a new and refreshing experience. You loved it. Yet, you can\'t expect every new game in the series to reproduce the same effects, because it won\'t; it\'s no longer new to you. So you deem the new games crap, because you don\'t get the same feeling. And don\'t say I\'m full of shit, because I used to praise Chrono Trigger as the best game EVER. When I played it again with the remake though, I lost alot of interest in it. It just wasn\'t as good as I had remembered, I had nowhere near as much fun as I did when it was new. Just give the new games a chance, and don\'t hold it to \"If it doesn\'t give off the same feeling *certain game* did, it\'s crap.\" Because face it, you\'ve changed as well, since that game came out.

\"When the series were taken to 3-Dimensional, that\'s when he realized that Square when down in the dumpster. Take Final Fantasy 7, for example. What I thought of that game was that it has incredible gameplay and movie scenes in the game. What my friend thought of it was that the game...WAS A TOTAL JOKE!\"

Don\'t make you friend\'s opinion your own, unless you truly believe it. So what if he thought it was a total joke? It shouldn\'t affect your opinion. If you thought it had incredible gameplay and movie scenes, then so be it. To just go against the game because your friend\'s opinion is ridiculous though. Be yourself, like a game if you like, don\'t dislike it if a friend does.

i agree with everything hollow said.you posted this at the mm matrix board also..everybody at the matrix board may hate FF but we don\'t.....besides they are just games!!!must you care THAT much that some FF sucks or not? nobody talks about FF on the matrix board?WHY?....and doc DON\'T ban FFtopics from this board!i\'ve seen lots of boards typically using FFtopics without problems....okay it\'s time for my electro shock thereapy...see ya!bzzzzzzzzttt!:madgo:

I agree on the need to discontinue the FF discussions... don\'t know who soaks those things in lighter fluid.

That FF movie they made looks a lot more like a lame spin-off of the Starship Troopers movie... (They even spelt \"Cid\" wrong, too...they changed it to \"Sid\":() Admittedly, the 3D work was impressive, but yet again it was the damn story that bogged things down... Not that I\'m against Squaresoft or anything but I\'m reeaally disappointed that the first (and last) FF movie they ever made sucked big time... They should have known better.
FF-wise, they are running out of ideas... I agree with the Doc: they should give FF a well deserved vacation and concentrate on making other titles.

[Edited on 22/6/2002 by Keiji]

Heh..that\'d be funny if someone did a \'truth about Capcom\' thread somewheres.

I haven\'t played FF X yet, so I can\'t judge it. Lulu and Kimahri, or however you spell it, look cool though.

*Looks at Hollow\'s last post with an objective expression, then laughs out loud*

Hint, hint... I dug up some dirt on Capcom too, but I\'m keeping the gory details to myself...eheheheheheheheh... :muha:

[Edited on 25/6/2002 by Keiji]

Heh...alright then. O.o

Captain Commando is after you.

Run for your lives!

I suck with Square. I like FF6, SOM, CT, and FF4. I wanna see Square reuse characters outside the popular FF ones. FF is a hoot, but I want to see CT and SOM chars too. The only real reused character is Flammie. He\'s in the 3rd SoM game, I hear. As for Uematsu... Eh... I only like some of his songs. I\'m pretty open minded with Square. (I gotta say... Secret of Evermore stinks. ^^;) Yeah, I gotta play, like, FF7+, but thats only because I\'m too lazy. The later parts of the games turn me off, but, I might rent FF8 or 9. FF7 was totally spoiled for me when it came out. I\'m a slight Sephiroth fan. He\'s cute. *Brick* WHO THREW THAT?

Anyway, yeah, I tried watching the Spirits Withing with an open mind, but it was HBO... Graphically, it was beautiful, but... I turned it off after a few minutes because it seemed dry to me. ^_^;

I do want a CT movie though... ;-;

As for CT, yes, I love CT, I\'ll RAVE about CT, but Chrono Cross...? FORGET IT. ^^; I\'m more loyal to specific games, not a series... Except Zelda and Megaman. And Capcom screwed up X since X5. X6 was fun, but by X5, the X series lost it\'s touch. Anyhoo, judge games for THEMSELVES, not a series. (I should shut up, I\'m also a BOF1 nut..)

yeah...it was on hbo...but i did\'nt even watch it.:P

Yes, Secret of Evermore sucks... If I hear the word alchemy again....

And yes, a CT movie would be nice. But I saw a tape on Ebay that had CT anime on it..some kind of..special short movie they did for the games release or something. Nothing spectacular though..bleh. I want a real movie..ha.

Alchemy... alchemy... alchemy... alchemy... more?

:lol::lol::lol:

But seriously, stop patronizing Hollow, Vash:)

[Edited on 29/6/2002 by Keiji]

FF6 lets you become frogs! Ribbit!

What!? Oh well, I stick to Megaman. What\'s a Kappa? A Krappa, perhaps?

I was thinking of FF6... ooops.... my bad!

Wow, this is OLD....I might as well say something though....
FFVII and Chrono Trigger were probably the best RPG games I\'ve played that Square made, FFVIII wasn\'t all that great and after that I just got bored of the series...they kinda screwed up FF after FFVIII I think.....