Topic: After Zero, who\'s the new Megaman? (possible spoilers)

CronoT2
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I hate to burst your bubble but exe is not a part of the original/X/Zero/Legends timeline.

Capcom has basically said as much. Also ?Wily says this in the first MMBN game:

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Hmm...Shall I tell you? 30 years ago, two famous scientists competed to be the best! ...Me, and your grandfather, Dr. Hikari! I made robots, and he specialized in networks. We were both lost in our research. Then, one day...In order to win an inter-national competition, our country had to pick one of our projects to fund. After long debate...They canceled my robot research! I couldn\'t believe it! My research was vital! Vital! I had no place to turn to, and so I left the lab. That\'s why I\'m mad! If it wasn\'t for Hikari...! So I made the WWW to get back at him! He made this world what it is, and now I\'ll destroy it!
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Robots were never developed in MMBN, So Megaman, Roll, Protoman, Bass, Zero, and X were never constructed in the MMBN universe. Since Wily never completed his research, it was not possible for robot masters to exsist. This statement also indicate that Dr. Light had no interest in building robots whatsoever.

Besides, why wouldn\'t Wily in MMBN just build a robot master to go after Lan and company if he were the same Wily from the original series and had completed his research? Since apparently the Megaman from the original series isn\'t present then it would be easy for Wily to use robots to take over the world and if the series takes place after the original series, why doesn\'t Zero ever appear since it is obvious form Power Fighters 2 that he was under construction after the events of MM8. If Zero had a physical form (which is a logical assumption since many people seem to believe that MMBN occurs after MM8), Wily could easily take over the world without using a virus (No the Zero virus on the gamecube MMBN does not count since it has a different role than the X series Zero virus).

Also Megaman.exe was created by Lan\'s father, not his grandfather, by using the DNA from Lan\'s deceased twin brother.

In the original series, Megaman did not use any human DNA as a program component and was built by Dr. Light (who is supposed to be Lan\'s grandfather).

If the original and MMBN were related . . . It also doesn\'t make sense that many of the good guy navis have the same name as many of Wily\'s robot masters (like Woodman, Gutsman, and Iceman to name a few). Would you name your navi after a robot that went a detructive rampage to help Wily take over the world and probably was responsible for killing alot of people?

MMBN is a seperate timeline from all of the other games! Capcom has said so and I\'ve even heard that the Rockman Perfect Memories sourcebook says as much.

If they are a part of the same timeline then how come there are no references to the original series in MMBN and vice versa. Navis are never even mentioned in any of the other games. The cyber elves in MMZ are the closest thing to navis mentioned, but they are totally different in function from navis.

Also in both games, Wily can\'t be that much younger or older than Light. They are both old men in the original series and Wily would be much older than appears to be in MMBN if that series were a sequel.

Plus if you play MMBN3, you will learn what happened to Light in the MMBN universe and that will prove that he never created Megaman or any of the others. It also proves why MMBN is seperate from the origianl/X/Zero/Legends timeline.

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exe could be a prequel....

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Originally posted by Nayus Dante
exe could be a prequel....

Let me reiterate. Capcom has stated that MMBN is not a part of the original/X/Zero timeline.

MMBN is a \"what if\" alternate universe where robots were never developed the way they were in the original series.

MMBN starts in 20XX, the original Megaman series starts in 200X. Thus MMBN cannot be a prequel to the original series.

Another reason MMBN is not a part of the original/X/Zero timeline is that in MMBN3 (this was a spoiler posted a while ago in the MMBN forum here):

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Lan\'s grandfather, who is Dr. Light, accidentally created a program that would destroy the net. To stop the net destroying program, he turned himself into a program, before he passed away. The net destroying program was hidden in the Undernet to be gaurded by Serenade. The whole premise of MMBN3 is that the net destroying program is unleashed.

So, MMBN cannot be a prequel since Light would not be around to build any robots and since robots were not developed in the series. Also if it were a prequel, then why would Light work with Wily, a known criminal?

One last note, if MMBN were a part of the O/X/Z timeline, then in MM Extreme 1 . . . why did X have to go into the Hunter\'s computer? Why not use a navi?

Because the in timeline in which X exists, navis were never developed!

For the last time, MMBN has nothing to do with any of the other Megaman series. Capcom has said so and none of the other games in the series even reference MMBN in any way. There is no mention of WWW in the original or X series, navis are never once mentioned anywhere except MMBN, and robots were never developed in the MMBN universe which precludes the exsistence of X, Zero, and the original Megaman.

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your twisting the plot here.
i never said that lans grandfather light was tos light. It could have been that lans nephew was TOS light or something. Wily could have had a son or two, then several generations later, we have TOS generation. Wily and Light, being partners(read the manual for the first game) created six robots. Protoman, still being around, resisted reprogramming and escaped when wily stole their creations. In Xtremer, navis are extremely outdated. Would you send a group of civil war soldiers to fight saddam? as for capcom acknowleging that it is an alternate universe, i have this to say: X6-Zeros ending/X7-Zero\'s still here.

[Edited on 9/9/03 by Nayus Dante]

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[quote]Originally posted by Nayus Dante
your twisting the plot here.
i never said that lans grandfather light was tos light. It could have been that lans nephew was TOS light or something. Wily could have had a son or two, then several generations later, we have TOS generation. Wily and Light, being partners(read the manual for the first game) created six robots. Protoman, still being around, resisted reprogramming and escaped when wily stole their creations. In Xtremer, navis are extremely outdated. Would you send a group of civil war soldiers to fight saddam? as for capcom acknowleging that it is an alternate universe, i have this to say: X6-Zeros ending/X7-Zero\'s still here.

[Edited on 9/9/03 by Nayus Dante] [/quote]

You missed the point I was making entirely.

TOS occurs in 200X to 20XX
MMBN begins in 20XX.

That means that MMBN does not happen until a point in time when Wily would have caused at least three robot rebellions before the MMBN series even started, that would make him an outlaw prior to MMBN and brings up the question why he didn\'t use robots instead of navis to seize power.

Since the OS can occur at anytime between 2000 and 2070 (I\'m being generous here folks, I imagine TOS ends more around 2045 at the latest).

Since the start time for MMBN is 20XX, that leads us to believe that the start date is 2010 or it could concievably begin in the year 2000.

It would be more logical, given the timeframes of the two series, to assume that if MMBN is realted to TOS it is a sequel. However the fact that Wily has never developed any robots and the absence of any type of robot in MMBN would indicate otherwise. Also, there is never any mention of a robot rebellion or anything like the robot masters being constructed in MMBN.

YOur theory about the OS Light being Lan\'s nephew and the OS Wily being the son of MMBN Wily is invalid because of the dates. In TOS, Light and Wily are both old men and the year is 200X when they build Protoman and the others. For our theory to work, Light and Wily would have to be very young during the time of MMBN which is 20XX. Plus there is the little fact that to our current knowledge . . .Lan can\'t ever have a nephew because his brother was turned into a computer program! Other than his brother, Lan seems to have no other siblings.

It just doesn\'t work out, Wily and Light could not have built the robot masters and be old men in 200X if they were young in 20XX.

The X series doesn\'t begin until 21XX (but from the X1 intor screen where Cain is reading the capsule\'s data into his computer, we can guess that it may have began sometime around 2117 or 2118). X was obviously in the capsule for at least 30 years (most people agree that it was more along the lines of 70 years). Which means that TOS would have had to end at least by 2086 at the latest or 2046 at the earliest. That doesn\'t leave a whole lot of time for any relative of Lan\'s to become a robotics genius, unless Lan\'s father has a brother nobody knows about. The same goes for any son or grandson of MMBN\'s Wily. Plus, remember, the robot rebellions began in 200X, which rules out the possibility of Lan or Wily\'s descendants starting the origianl series.

Finally as for your comment about Capcom and the X6/X7 problem with Zero being there . . . Capcom never said when Zero went to sleep. He could not go to sleep until X9 for all we know. Plus Capcom has stated that Zero\'s ending was a \"sneak peek\". Though Zero\'s ending led us to think he went to sleep, Capcom left themselves enough room to use him in any upcoming X games. Plus after X6, X apparently decides to give up fighting and Zero has to convince him to return to the battlefield in X7. Zero would not go to sleep unless he knew someone would carry on the fight against the mavericks in his place, thus Zero is in X7.

As for navis being outdated in 21XX (if they ever exsisted) how could that be true? It would be much easier to have a navi already in a computer take out viruses than hook a reploid into a computer and download its program into a computer. Plus with the advances made in programming reploids, some of that would bleed into the programming of navis, improving the navis capabilities to keep up with the times.

Yes I know the plot behind tos. Wily and Light were partners, then Wily lost it and stole the first six robot masters but left Rock and Roll behind. Rock was converted into Megaman and took Wily down repeatedly.

You also have it wrong. From the games I\'ve gathered that Protoman ran away from the lab before Wily tried to take over the world and disappeared. He came back and Wily found him, telling him that Light went berserk and tired to use Megaman to take over the world, Why else would protoman be working for Wily in MM3? Protoman found out the truth though and switched sides, helping his brother from that point on.

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i meant cousin, as in his mothers brothers son. As for the dates, capcom has never been good with date translations. (x5-x6)

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True, Capcom has screwed up time translations in the past, but that was mostly on the box packaging; in X6\'s intro they did get the time period between it and X5 right and X5\'s story intro doesn\'t mention centuries like the box description does.

But still, a cousin of Lan\'s couldn\'t be as old as Dr. Light is depicted as being in 200X which is when Protoman, Megaman, and Roll were built in the original series.

A cousin might work in the long run if the original series dates were limited to only 20XX, but the first game of the original series begins in 200X. The original series doesn\'t even reach the 20XX mark until MM4.

What I\'m syaing is that MMBN doesn\'t provide any references to really link it to the continuity of the original or X series and neither the X series or the original make any references to MMBN. Also, from my perspective, the dates for the original and MMBN series just don\'t match up enough to make the two occur in the same timeline.

That\'s part of the reason I have a hard time believing Legends is a part of the O/X/Z timeline since other than an X-buster that you find in the first game, there is virtually nothing linking that series and the other three together.

Until there is a more solid reference to the original or X series that definatively link MMBN to it, I will continue to maintain that MMBN is an AU series (as many other people believe as well).

I also maitain my stand on Legends being AU since there is no real solid connection between it and the X or Zero series. The only thing that gives Legends a possibility of being in the same timeline as them is that it supposedly occurs 3000 years after either the X or Zero series (I believe this is an error since the master, who is a human, says that he lived on Ellysium for 3000 years and for whatever reason people seem to believe that the master was alive during the Zero or X series).

[Edited on 9-9-2003 by CronoT2]

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have you read the gratuitous use of the words \"the\" and \"are\" in x6? we could have the next all your base thing on our hands here. I didnt think packaging was that bad, but i havent looked at it in a while.

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Sorry about that, I didn\'t mean the actual translations on the box, I meant the time on the box.

The X6 box says 3 years after X5 while the game intro says three weeks.

The X5 box says centuries after X4 while the game intro makes no mention of time.

But Capcom has not exactly done the best job of translation for the game text in X6 and in some cases X5.

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NONONONO megaman.exe\'s program went to megaman because dr.light is the grandfather and old parnter of wily.......

No, no, no. That can\'t be. MMBN starts in 20XX. TOS doesn\'t go in to 20XX until MM5. It starts in 200X. And an official source book even says that MMBN is not apart of the timeline.

Actually, MMBN starts in 200X. They corrected the dating error in BN3.

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Originally posted by Zero Prime

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NONONONO megaman.exe\'s program went to megaman because dr.light is the grandfather and old parnter of wily.......

No, no, no. That can\'t be. MMBN starts in 20XX. TOS doesn\'t go in to 20XX until MM5. It starts in 200X. And an official source book even says that MMBN is not apart of the timeline.

Actually, MMBN starts in 200X. They corrected the dating error in BN3.

Zero Prime, don\'t bump REALLY old topics...

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MMZ66, it\'s fine to bump up an old topic when you have something to add to it. He obviously did.

And gee, alot of arguing over Battle Network.. Since Capcom has the Megaman series now though (or is it just the X series? ) who knows what they\'ll do with it...

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Originally posted by CronoT2
I hate to burst your bubble but exe is not a part of the original/X/Zero/Legends timeline.

Capcom has basically said as much. Also ?Wily says this in the first MMBN game:

r

Quote:
Hmm...Shall I tell you? 30 years ago, two famous scientists competed to be the best! ...Me, and your grandfather, Dr. Hikari! I made robots, and he specialized in networks. We were both lost in our research. Then, one day...In order to win an inter-national competition, our country had to pick one of our projects to fund. After long debate...They canceled my robot research! I couldn\'t believe it! My research was vital! Vital! I had no place to turn to, and so I left the lab. That\'s why I\'m mad! If it wasn\'t for Hikari...! So I made the WWW to get back at him! He made this world what it is, and now I\'ll destroy it!
r

Robots were never developed in MMBN, So Megaman, Roll, Protoman, Bass, Zero, and X were never constructed in the MMBN universe. Since Wily never completed his research, it was not possible for robot masters to exsist. This statement also indicate that Dr. Light had no interest in building robots whatsoever.

Besides, why wouldn\'t Wily in MMBN just build a robot master to go after Lan and company if he were the same Wily from the original series and had completed his research? Since apparently the Megaman from the original series isn\'t present then it would be easy for Wily to use robots to take over the world and if the series takes place after the original series, why doesn\'t Zero ever appear since it is obvious form Power Fighters 2 that he was under construction after the events of MM8. If Zero had a physical form (which is a logical assumption since many people seem to believe that MMBN occurs after MM8), Wily could easily take over the world without using a virus (No the Zero virus on the gamecube MMBN does not count since it has a different role than the X series Zero virus).

Also Megaman.exe was created by Lan\'s father, not his grandfather, by using the DNA from Lan\'s deceased twin brother.

In the original series, Megaman did not use any human DNA as a program component and was built by Dr. Light (who is supposed to be Lan\'s grandfather).

If the original and MMBN were related . . . It also doesn\'t make sense that many of the good guy navis have the same name as many of Wily\'s robot masters (like Woodman, Gutsman, and Iceman to name a few). Would you name your navi after a robot that went a detructive rampage to help Wily take over the world and probably was responsible for killing alot of people?

MMBN is a seperate timeline from all of the other games! Capcom has said so and I\'ve even heard that the Rockman Perfect Memories sourcebook says as much.

If they are a part of the same timeline then how come there are no references to the original series in MMBN and vice versa. Navis are never even mentioned in any of the other games. The cyber elves in MMZ are the closest thing to navis mentioned, but they are totally different in function from navis.

Also in both games, Wily can\'t be that much younger or older than Light. They are both old men in the original series and Wily would be much older than appears to be in MMBN if that series were a sequel.

Plus if you play MMBN3, you will learn what happened to Light in the MMBN universe and that will prove that he never created Megaman or any of the others. It also proves why MMBN is seperate from the origianl/X/Zero/Legends timeline.

Lan had a desceased brother? None of the games, manga, and anime said about this! I must be crazy or something.

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Lan had a desceased brother? None of the games, manga, and anime said about this! I must be crazy or something.

Uh, its at the end of the first game....

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Lan had a desceased brother? None of the games, manga, and anime said about this! I must be crazy or something.

Uh, its at the end of the first game....

Okayyyyy, I need a scan to prove this, AND who is Lan\'s dead twin brother?

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I forget what his name was but Netto\'s brother died long ago and Dr Hikari encoded his DNA or whatever into

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Rockman.EXE. This is the true identity of the navi, and also why he and Netto work so well as a team.

[Edited on 8/17/04 by Nayus Dante]

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Here is the script excerpt.

(MagicMan appears for the first time)
MagicMan: Wait!

Yahoot: Sorry to interrupt such a touching scene...But this is as far as
I can allow you to go!

Lan: Who are you!?

Yahoot: I am Yahoot! Right hand man to Wily of the WWW!

MagicMan: And I am his Navi, MagicMan! And for my next trick...

(MegaMan deletes MagicMan)
Lan: We did it!

Yahoot: Errgh...

Wily: Yahoot! Not you, too! Here, use this bit data from the LifeVirus!

Yahoot: Phew...

(MagicMan throw down MegaMan)
MegaMan: Unh!

MagicMan: Yahoot! I did it! You can say goodbye to MegaMan.EXE!

Lan: No...

Yahoot: M-MagicMan! Look out!

(ProtoMan jacks in and slices MagicMan in two)
MagicMan: ! LifeMaa....Ak!!

ProtoMan: Grr...Too late?

Roll: Mega!!

Lan: ...

Mayl: Lan...

Chaud: Lan...Your father gave me this...here.

(Chaud gives a program to Lan)
Lan: Hub.bat...what\'s this?

Game: Emergency...Receiving call...
Lan: Hello?

Dad: Lan?

Lan: Dad! MegaMan\'s...

Chaud: Dr. Hikari, I\'m sorry, I was too late...

Dad: Lan, listen to me! You can still save MegaMan!

Lan: But! He\'s not responding...

Dad: Apply the Hub.bat to MegaMan, there may still be time...But before
you use Hub.bat, I have to tell you something. It might make it...hard for you
to use MegaMan...OK?

Lan: ...I don\'t really understand what you mean...But I\'ll do anything
if it might save MegaMan!

Dad: Then, listen...About 10 years ago, I was working on a new kind of
Navi. A kind of Navi that could truly befriend its operator. But a program is
only a program. Though I could make a Navi follow its operator\'s orders, I
couldn\'t make one think and act on its own. So I started thinking...Maybe if
you had some connection with your Navi...The Navi could respond to your
emotions...and thereby create its own emotions...So I tried. Looking at human
DNA I came to a conclusion. If I made a Navi with DNA just like its operator\'s
its basic values and emotions would be the same. Operator and Navi would become
a single entity! Making an ultimate Navi! But, it was tough making a program
with DNA...I could make about 95% of the program, but no more...I just couldn\'t
figure out that last five percent! My research came to a sudden stop...It was
about this time that I had a son...A cute baby boy...We named him \"Hub.\" But
our happiness didn\'t last long...He had heart trouble and became too weak to
live...So I thought...Somehow I will keep his memory alive. Lan, Hub was your
twin brother. You were born from the same egg...your DNA is identical. I could
use Hub\'s DNA to make a NAVI for you...Suddenly, I had the DNA solution I had
been searching for! The Navi I made...was MegaMan.EXE! And the results proved
that I was right! MegaMan.EXE is a new generation of Navi. As close to you as a
brother...But there was a danger...If I made the DNA 100% the same...The Navi\'s
internal and external state might synch with you. So damage to the Navi would
also damage you, too! So I changed MegaMan.EXE\'s DNA by 0.001%. If you use
Hub.bat, that 0.001% will disappear...

Lan: ...You mean MegaMan will be born again...as my twin?

Dad: Correct.

Lan: I was always sending MegaMan into such dangerous places...Did
MegaMan...I mean Hub, know the truth?

Dad: I asked Hub to keep it a secret. If you knew the truth, you\'d be
too scared to use him. And a Navi that you can\'t use isn\'t a good Navi......So
what will you do? I\'ll let you decide.

Lan: But, Hub...I\'ll lose MegaMan...

Dad: Remember, if your DNA is 100% the same, you will be affected by
whatever affects your Navi. And the reverse is true, too! Lan, if you truly
think you can beat the WWW ...I think Hub will sense that, and he\'ll come back
to help!

Lan: ...OK! I\'ll use Hub.bat!

Dad: Lan...You\'re doing the right thing!

Game: Applying Hub.bat to MegaMan.EXE...

Lan: Hub! Come fight by my side! ...No reply...!

ProtoMan: Hmm?

(MegaMan wakes up)
MegaMan: ...L-Lan...

Lan: Hub! It\'s me, Lan! Wake up!

MegaMan: La..n...Uh...

MegaMan: ? What happened to me?

Lan: Hub! It\'s you!

MegaMan: Lan? You called me \"Hub\"?

Dad: Hub...I\'ve told Lan everything. We used Hub.bat to bring you
back...

MegaMan: Dad...I see...

Lan\'s Dad: That light means your program is being rewritten. When the
light goes down, your power should be increased!

MegaMan: Yeah...I can feel the energy inside me! Lan, I\'m sorry for not
telling you the truth earlier.

Lan: Hub, I\'m sorry for ordering you around all these years...

MegaMan: No problem... I always regretted not being able to be with you
in the real world. But being able to watch you grow from inside here...made me
happy.

Lan: Hub...So, how do I operate you now, I wonder?

MegaMan: Just be yourself! And I\'ll be myself, MegaMan! Let\'s hurry!
Lan, I\'m counting on you!

Lan:...Right...OK! Let\'s go, MegaMan!

MegaMan: Right on!

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*cries*
i cried when i first finished that game....

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I waited until the end of MMBN3 before I cried. Finishing at midnight didn\'t help

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It would\'ve been a whole lot cooler if Lan\'s dad killed his twin just to make a navi. But that\'s more of a Wily thing I guess.

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Heh heh, Frankenavi! He would probably have revolted or something.

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Quote:
Originally posted by deathheadxz
NONONONO megaman.exe\'s program went to megaman because dr.light is the grandfather and old parnter of wily.......

not true.Dr. light is also known Dr. Hikari
who is Lans grandfather.Lans dad just goes by the same title.

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< died thinking he was lord of chaos when he is lord of the care bears. Ringman

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