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I finally beat X7 (it took me a long time to beat it: three days). I really was surprised with X.

(Why this is a spoiler? Because it deals with Axl. Maybe this isn\'t a spoiler at all, but to be safe...)

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It was obvious that X had a small internal struggle throughout most of the games but this game make it seem more like... it was eating him from the inside out. As everyone knows, the problem is about how the war is going and if he is doing the right thing. The game also \"says\" that he \"retired\" from hunting.

Zero tries to not care about what X does but when he said something like \"Now that\'s the X I use to know!\", I knew he really want X to keep fighting right by his side than \"give up\". (Thinking on the flipside, Zero want reassurance that he himself is doing the right thing.)

Yes, \"give up\". Although X stopped fighting to think of more peaceful ways, he unpurposely let Mavericks run wild. Zero, even though he loves fighting, can\'t do a job equal to two great Hunters. Rather or not X knew that him \"retiring\" actually hurt the Maverick Hunters or not, I don\'t really know.

The funny (or unfunny) thing is, even if X does not want to fight, he surely DOES NOT want to be replaced. He basically just stands there saying \"We should not do this, and we should not do that\" and the Maverick Hunters are confused on what they should do. Listen to X and try to find a way to end the war by talking or do what they have been doing for hundreds of years, trying to stamp out the Mavericks.

Zero, of course, does not agree with X but being friends with him so long, he doesn\'t want to fight him. \"He (X) can do what he pleases.\"

Including to the X-doesn\'t-want-to-be-replaced thing this next fact strengthens the idea that the Maverick Hunters are starting to get tired of X\'s unwillingness to fight. They suggest (on the end of the game) that X should train Axl to be a Hunter since Axl has so much talent and skill but doesn\'t know how to use it. He is also helping the Maverick Hunters greatly by killing off so many Mavericks and solving problems. X refuses to train him, saying good deeds doesn\'t make you a Hunter. Of course, he\'s jealous either because he wants to be \"young again and have nothing to hold back\" or because Axl \"stole the spotlight\".

I sympathize for X yet I think it is selfish that he doesn\'t want Axl to be a Hunter. ...But if you think of it a different way, maybe X doesn\'t want Axl as a Hunter because, other than the obvious \"I hate him\" idea, he does not want Axl to fight throughout his whole life and regret what he had done on the later years of his life. Still, I think X should let him decide what he wants to do. If Axl wants to be a Hunter, let him. Teach him that there are certain times to fight and certain times to talk.


I think I covered it. So, who do you agree with: X\'s philosophy or everyone else\'s (Zero and the Maverick Hunters)?

I like X very much but he is getting too tied into it, forgetting that the virus makes reploids lose their minds (most of the time). I agree that they should try to talk and save the ones not too far gone but kill everyone who can\'t be saved (which I\'m not sure if they can or can not be). On the most part, I agree with Zero.

Please correct me if I\'m wrong on anything. Maybe I\'m looking too much into it. ;^^

Say anything about real world events and your post is going to be \"retired\" (deleted). B)

[Edited on 12/30/2003 by Breakman]

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I have never played the game (and i dont think i am going to, maybe sometime when i get around to getting a PS2)
and based on what you said, i really don\'t agree with X, i agree with Zero. X should teach Axl, or else if one time he goes to the battlefield, he could die.(deleted, retired, whatever) Probably evrey reploid sees Axl\'s potential, but i guess they don\'t wanna go up to X and say \"Oh, you should teach him, he\'s really good, he could probably teach you a thing or 2.\"
They\'d probably get in trouble then:lol:
Anyways, i do agree with Zero and the others.

[Edited on 30-12-2003 by MegamanZero66]


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is that suppose to be an attachment for a screen? its not showing on my computer:cry:


Nope, it\'s a spoiler tag. If you played the game or don\'t mind spoilers, highlight the black area on the screen.


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I don\'t know who to agree with.From what you said,I would agree with Zero \'cuz X is being a selfish brat.(Hoo boy,never thought I\'d say that)But it\'s just my opinion.

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I agree with Zero to fight, but I don\'t want X to teach Axl. I mean, X has been the one saving the world so many times, he can\'t let a little rookie or anything let him take his place. X was only in the spotlight until X4, when along came Mr. Zero. Don\'t you think that X needs to be heard of a little before he retires, or lets someone else take his place?


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I agree with Zero to fight, but I don\'t want X to teach Axl. ...


I understand but X doesn\'t want to fight anymore. Everyone suggest that he should give his knowledge to Axl so he could use it than go to waste.

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From what you said,I would agree with Zero \'cuz X is being a selfish brat.


It\'s hard to say that about X, yes, but he is. But you gotta think about it, you fought many battles, collected much battle knowledge, and so on and so forth to just give it to a reckless child? A bit depressing, no?


Now, we are discussing. Keep it going! ^^

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I never thought of that...and wait...Axl is a child?!Who knew?Any way....Along with that,I think I may change my opinion.I think what bugs X the most is that Axl is taking his partner,his friend away.Thedon\'t have the same \"bond\" two fighters can have any more,so I think he\'s just jealous,mostly.

[Edited on 16/1/2004 by Saito Hikari]

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I never thought of that...and wait...Axl is a child?!


Well, Axl isn\'t really a child. People think he looks 18 or 19 years old. But, if anybody played Resident Evil Veronica, Steve Burnside looked about Axl\'s age too and acted so... HEY! You know, Steve and Axl could be brothers. Just hear me out! ^_^

Steve likes using two pistols (or the two semi-automatics that you give him). He tries to act tough but his childishness shows through (you really don\'t need an example, do you?). He tries to impress Claire so she would like him. Another plus is that he has reddish-brownish hair.

Axl uses two guns (one for attacking, the other for using his transform ability?). He is trying to impress everyone that he can be a Maverick Hunter too. Both in English and Japanese, he sounds childish. He has red hair and... that\'s it. ;^^

What about that? B)

[Edited on 2/6/2004 by Breakman]

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Well,I never played that game,so....no real clue.^^; But yeah,sounds similar in cases.Okay,one more quesion then an on-topic post:What the HECK is his transforming ability?!Does he transform into a monkey or what?

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Actually, this wasn\'t about X teaching Axl at all. It was about X letting Axl becoming a Maverick Hunter. X isn\'t jealous or anything, he just want Axl to get hurt, or make some of the Maverick Hunters\' mistakes again. The Maverick Hunters have made some mistakes, but X is taking it overboard a bit.


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In my opinion, X is just being naive, resulting in the fact that he wants to mace peace trough a peacefull way. Not that I\'m a Bush-type, but most (maybe all) Mavericks are evil, and if X just keeps thinking if there will ever be peace, nothing will happen. Well, nothing would if Zero and Axl weren\'t around. That\'s one of those things, Axl proves to be quite good, and still X doesn\'t want to train him. Besides, if X keeps thinking the same things when Sigma\'s fortress explodes, burns down, collapses or w/e, the ending sequences would become rather boring, wouldn\'t they?


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What the HECK is his transforming ability?!Does he transform into a monkey or what?


Yes. And he can fly away wherever he wants to go with his little monkey wings. ... Didn\'t believe that, huh? ;^^

If Axl defeats a stage enemy (you know, non-bosses) with his \"Transform\" gun (I don\'t remember the name IF it had a name...), he can either turn into the enemy he killed or get a special ability.


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Actually, this wasn\'t about X teaching Axl at all. It was about X letting Axl becoming a Maverick Hunter.


Yes and no. Depending which ending you got and how you translate it. X\'s ending:

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Alia: \"Last week an outbreak of Maverick Reploids caused a riot at the Energy plant. Then Axl showed up to quell the unrest. The Mavericks disappeared from the scene without a trace. Then, three days ago, when Mechaniloids on the wharf went berserk, Axl destroyed the Mechaniloids that was blocking a ship\'s hatch, securing an escape route for the crew. This case did cause 16 casualties, however... In addition, Axl has shown up to assist in a total of 14 incidents involving Mavericks.\"

Signas: \"He\'s made mistakes... But in any case, Axl\'s efforts over the last few days have solved a lot of problems.\"

Signas: \"X, do you think we could make Axl a hunter based on his good deeds?\"

X: \"No way. Don\'t you get it? He must not be rewarded for such methods.\"

Signas: \"Methods?! X, ideals are not always for the real world. Without you, somebody has to become a hunter. Why can\'t you train Axl to be one?\"

X: \"Never! You could never train somebody to be a hunter like me. It isn\'t possible.\"

Signas: \"Please give it some thought. We may not be able to afford to stand by without fighting, although I know that\'s what you wish for. And we all know... That we haven\'t seen the last of the Mavericks.\"


Axl\'s ending kinda suggests it. (Posted it just in case someone wanted to read it...)

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Axl: \"But why?! I tried so hard!\"

X: \"Mn, now you listen well. Being a hunter is not all about defeating the
obvious enemies. If you don\'t understand this, I can\'t allow you to become
a hunter.\"

Axl: \"I don\'t understand! I just did what I thought was right, and fought
those who did wrong.\"

X: \"That won\'t bring true peace! It will only create new resentments!\"

Axl: \"But I only followed your lead! I did what you did!\"

X: \"But what I did was wrong. I just took far too long to realize that.\"

[ An alarm/siren then sounds ]

Alia: \"Outbreak in the West Sector.\"

Axl: \"I\'ll take care of it! I can handle this, X!
I\'ll get you to make me into a hunter yet!\"

X: \"Wait, Axl!\"

Alia: \"Why don\'t you let him do what he wants this time?\"

X: \"No. If I don\'t stop him now, he\'ll make the same mistakes we did...\"

Alia: \"X...\"
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(Thank you Gamefaqs and Alvin Cogan for script.)

[Edited on 2/8/2004 by Breakman]

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What is X trying to say? That he should have never lifted a finger against Sigma in the first place? And what? What would\'ve had happened? All the problems with the Mavericks would just disapear? Don\'t make me laugh..Hes just gotten in touch with the feeling of \"denial\". As much time as i spent playing X7 i still can\'t figure out why X has taken this new stance all of a sudden.
Axl does seem kind of reckless compared to X and Zero...But hes not a Kid...I\'m serious here...They refer to him as just \"a kid\" but since when were Reploids children? Does he like get an upgrade and all of a sudden hes an adult?
I think in the end X will realize in his world that doing nonthing will solve nonthing.
The X-Buster on the other hand will.
90% of the time violence solves everything. Most of the time its your only choice in these situations.


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I wouldn\'t say it\'s a sudden change but gradual...remember, X is a pacifist who been in the war against Sigma for how long? He knows the danger Sigma and the Mavericks pose but we must remember that X had put his own feelings to one side for so long.

X7 shows us that X had had enough blood on his own hands and had enough with the war and wanted to do something that didn\'t involve killing anyone but he got dragged into the mess involving Axl and back into the killing business.

After that was sorted, X wanted nothing to do with Axl at all in spite of everyone else saying \"What a good man, Axl is\". That and the reputation of the Maverick Hunters got dragged through the mud since the death of Repliforce (due to Colonel\'s pride and the blunders of the general of the MH at the time).

The Mavericks in X5 thought the Hunters were the Gestopdo (sp?) and Squid Adler had quit the Hunters because he \"didn\'t want to be a jerk like\" Zero (though I suspect he left because of the death of his friend Launch Octopus). Since X4, Reploids had become fed up of the Maverick Hunters killing anyone who looked vaguely menacing willy-nilly and X7 shown that the Hunters would fall to bits because they relied on X and Zero that much.

I think X had thought \"Sod this for a game of toy soldiers, I quit\" because he had become sick of the war, sick of what the Maverick Hunters had become and his part in it, sick of hapless management and sick of being the Maverick Hunters camel.

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A-huh... *Thinking to myself and jotting things down on my notepad.* Thanks for everyone\'s input. All is very helpful... *Everybody looks at me.* What? I\'m writing a fan fiction. ;^^ *Everyone moans and walks away. I shrug and writes some more notes down.*

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By the way, Axl\'s \"Transform Gun\" is actually called the Copy Shot.

Still kinda lame, but...


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Yes, but in the weapons screen, it shows up as A-Trans

Anyway, I guess I should lend my opinions to this discussion.

1. Sorry for taking so long, finally got my hands on the game last week.

Ok, I don\'t think Megaman X is being selfish. We all know about X\'s foolish ambitions of Utopia, and peace. We all know his naivety in thinking that it can attained without needless violence.

Megaman X was made by Dr. Light to be the first robot capable of making his own decisions. Not a war machine. I think that this is one of the interior struggles that X copes with. He doesn\'t know his TRUE purpose. But I think he has a feeling that destroying countless lives isn\'t one of them.

I don\'t think he\'s being selfish. Maybe, he just doesn\'t want to train Axl to be ruthless. Megaman X is after all a VERY good hunter. Although Axl contains a lot of talent, he isn\'t as merciless as X is on the battle field.

That\'s probably what X means when he says that he can\'t train Axl to be like him, because it\'s impossible.

Furthermore, X commented on how Axl can\'t undersand that he\'s not just supposed to shoot the first enemy, but to think things through. Axl is very naive when it comes to battle. He doesn\'t undersand about the inner machinations (just a big word, that\'s all) of life, which is probably a main reason why X won\'t train Axl.

Furthermore, I don\'t think X is concerned with the trivial maverick hunter crap, like Mav. Breakouts in powerplants. X is looking at the big picture. He doesn\'t see just individual campaigns against the mavericks, but rather, he views the whole things as a HUGE war. He aims to end that war. And to prevent further ones. Which is probably another reason why he won\'t train Axl, because he doesn\'t see much point in it.

I don\'t think he \'quit\' per se, rather, he just left the battle field to find a more peacable means. He didn\'t want to fight battles head on, so he did it on the sidelines. Ultimately, it didn\'t matter because he ended up fighting again anyway.

Anyone remember Z\'s ending? I think it was a premonition. Zero thought it was a dream. But it was probably a way of Capcom to delve into X\'s inner desire to crush the mavericks, despite his lack of will to fight.

anyway Breakman, I\'m sorry for not posting this sooner, I just remembered this topic\'s existence.

Yeah.


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I knew there were some other names to that weapon. I just forgot.

Keiyoushi, you just reminded me of something nobody else spelled out: X is only interested in the bigger picture. *thinks*

I got to play the game again. I didn\'t see Zero\'s ending yet...

It\'s quite alright, Kei. Glad you posted something.

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No problem Breakman, it always does me good to know that I can help ;D

Anyway...Zero\'s ending is...weird. A little anti-climactic if you ask me.

BTW, remember to charge his sword when fighting that BIG baddie.


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