Well? Spill it. I think its completely wrong.

[Edited on 6/5/2004 by Mega X.exe]

Uh... this kind of topic shouldn\'t be posted because both sides tend to fight.

Well, I personally would rather that both sides respectfully duke this out. I have evidence to support my case, I\'ll post it tomorrow if this topic is still around.

well well well, if you think its so wrong, what would you do if you were a woman and you were a rape victim. 9 hormonal months later your ganna have a baby of a villian who did wrong to your body OR you could just kill the little bugger. Which would you choose, it wonder....

I agree with Gutter..in a sense. If he\'s pro-choice anyway.

It\'s not a guys decision, to make a woman carry a baby just because he wants it to live or what have you. She has to deal with it, she has to feed it and clothe it and take care of it for the rest of it\'s life. It\'s her decision if she wants to deal with that. (And yes I\'m referring to when a baby is an \'accident\'. Usually after that, the guy becomes absent..doesn\'t take responsibility.)

If I was a chick and had an unplanned pregnancy with a guy that didn\'t want to provide..you better believe I\'d terminate the bugger. Yeah yeah, \"omg hollow you have no repsect 4 human lief\". Actually I respect it alot, and that\'s why I wouldn\'t bring up a baby by myself.

But anyways..all you \'pro-life\' people don\'t usually realize that abortions will still happen even if you do get rid of abortion clinics. So..we either have clean, safe places for abortions to occur in..or they\'ll happen somewhere secluded with \'instruments\' like clothes hangers.

I know you all won\'t ever change your mind, but it\'s just something to think about.

Okay, I said my piece..the topic can be closed now.

EDIT: And oh yeah..I saw those big displays that extremist \'pro-life\'rs have put up at colleges and the like..of a bunch of dead fetuses and stuff. I don\'t see the point of showing pictures of dead babies in order to promote \'pro-life\'. But I thought the pictures were kinda cool. I said something like \"Cool, dead babies!\" and people were disgusted with me. :rofl:

[Edited on 5-6-2004 by HollowTorment]

I\'m split down the middle on this topic. My morals collide with my logic. In other words, I think it\'s wrong to kill a living, and eventually sentient, being, but abortion can be essential to controlling overpopulation of our planet. So, I\'m really not sure what to support.

Yeah so...... im thinking that if i was a teenage momma and i had some dudes baby all up in me. Even if it was the dude that i am madly in love with (Remeber this is not real. this is for examples sake. im not madly in love with any men...) I wouldn\'t want the hellish thing in me anyway. Think of the money, the loss of sleep, loss of contact with the outside social world, to puking, the diapers, the whineing........ but that is the mother\'s choice. If she wants to deal with that stuff by all means dont use a condom. But for me..... kill it, KILL IT!

And this is just me now. in like 15 year i might want a baby who knows... even if i didnt i wouldn\'t kill it just use a condom. nip it in the bud.

Remeber!- No glove, no love.

I think i learned that off of someone off the board. i think it was WR... who knows...

This is quite a common debate topic that one would see on online messageboards. Topics on this subject have heated up on past message boards, but I\'d like to have faith in the members here that we can be mature enough to talk about such a topic without flames. Please, everyone, don\'t break this faith of mine.

For a short answer, I\'m pro-choice.

For a long answer, well...

I\'d like to start that the question asked is abit too idealistic. Abortion isn\'t a topic that is simply black and white; right or wrong. One really has to consider many factors that go into abortion before really forming an opinion. At least I believe so.

As a male, I believe it is my duty to take the pro-choice option. I\'m quite aware that there are many males that don\'t agree with this notion, but I personally feel as a male, I cannot make decisions that primarly affects the opposite gender because honestly, I don\'t think any male can have the same understanding on the subject that a female can. I can\'t ever get pregnant, thankfully, so I cannot understand what it\'d be like to be in a position where I\'d have to give birth to a baby when my judgement on the situation is telling me otherwise. I don\'t feel that it\'s a male\'s place to condemn females to something such as this, because males cannot simply understand the situation as well as a female could.

Also, I\'d like to state that I don\'t like to hold others to my own morality(or lack of). That is just unfair.

A woman can get pregnant even if she takes precautions. Hell, condoms don\'t even work all the time. If this was the case and a woman didn\'t want to have a baby or wasn\'t ready at that point in her life, I think it\'d be understandable if she had an abortion. Women shouldn\'t be subjected to only being involved in sexual activities with the intent of having a baby because the majority of males don\'t have that idea. Unless the entire population of both genders switched to those kind of ideals(which will never happen), I think it\'d be unfair to tell a woman she\'d have to have a baby just because she had sex.

This isn\'t saying that that\'s the case for all abortion cases. What does one do in the situation of rape? Do you condemn a woman to have a child when she was forced, forced to do the activities that conceived it?

Though too, there are alot of girls that are just plain stupid and use abortion to get out of the mistake they made of having unprotected sex. In such a situation, if that was the woman\'s decision, I\'d think it\'d be best because such a person probably wouldn\'t make a good mother. Though, you never know.

However, as much as one wants to consider the possibilities of how the situation of the female getting pregnant that want\'s the abortion, the fact that abortions will be around whether it\'s legal or not holds true. In our society today, abortion has become something that we all know about, even if not everyone agrees on the same principles. Simply making it illegal now isn\'t going to make it go away, and if it was illegal, it\'s only going to make things worse for females. We\'d have alot of cases of girls getting abortions in back alleys with coathangers, and that simply isn\'t healthy for them.

Another part I\'d like to cover is I\'ve often seen people say that people should give babies up for adoption instead of abortion. It\'s a nice idea when you don\'t put alot of thought into it. There are already many, many orphans out there today. Orphans are often viewed as a file and not a person by the government; I know this because one of my best friends happens to be one. Suffice to say, they don\'t get the best treatment in life. There are many who get adopted, but there are also many who don\'t. Instead of adding to a problem that already exists, it is of my opinion that those who believe adoption is better than abortion should really try to help children who are already born and need a home, not add more to the situation. Honestly, if someone isn\'t willing to adopt a child themself, why would they tell another to put their child up for adoption?

I could go on longer, but nah. I believe that women should have the choice to abort a baby if they decide to. I\'m sure it\'s not an easy decision for most women to make, either. But I believe they should have the ability to make the choice to have a baby or not.

Very convincing Necro. However, I\'d like to quote Sean Hannity. He, like myself, is a conservative. This taken from his book Let Freedom Ring. I suggest you read it. WARNING: You may be offended by this, read at your own risk, and keep in mind, this was written in 2002.

*sigh*

I\'ll just post some thoughts on this, I suppose.

I am pro-choice... though, I do not like it when there are women who get abortions because they don\'t know what birth control is..
Lately, it seems that some people in the government want women to be a baby making machine but did they ever ask the women how they felt about that?
Some will be fine with that. Some do not want kids, ever. Some only will want one or two kids. It\'s all a matter of opinion.

I can understand if a college-age woman was extremely careful but still got pregnant and couldn\'t afford a baby.

Necro is right about the babies that get put up for adoption. This can be a very messy situation. Some women will instantly regret their choice and whoever adopt their babies will maybe let them visit but most won\'t let them do that. Children do get lost in the system. *sigh and shakes head*

However, I live in a state that\'s pretty too close to the bible belt... so there\'s always a mass fury of extremely religious people harrassing everyone. (It\'s bad enough to drive anyone insane.)

\'sides, it is the women\'s decision. They\'re carrying the baby, aren\'t they? The government is not. The religious people (well, the men :P) is not.

I think of it like the death sentance. It\'s not something that is good, and if we could get rid of it, we should. But we can\'t, because sometimes bad things are nessicary.

We may think that abortion is wrong, but what about if we did not have it at all?

I agree with the Doc. It\'s something that has a clear cut rightside/ wrongside, and crossing that line is just messed up.

But we need terrible things, to keep this terrible world of ours in check. Rape should not go unnoticed because some people would use if for birth controll. Some things will always be needed no matter how horrible they may seem.

I am terribly sorry that something as serious as abortion has to come down to something as asinine as politics and religion.

A very good friend of mine is a conservative..a loud one. But he\'s pro-choice (except with the partial birth deal, and using abortion as birth control) and doesn\'t let politics cloud his judgement on that one. I applaud him for that.

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Ok think about what you people are arguing about, all of us males dont know what its like to be pregnant and have a baby so we should just not talk in subjects such as this, As for you girls or women who have never had a child, you dont know what women go through during pregnancy so you dont reallly have a reason to talk. Also, there are a hell of alot of more important issues in this world today. Also, say you were a girl and you and your boyfriend (if you had one) had intercourse and you got pregnant now assuming that you were still in highschool, roughly 30% of all Mothers still in highschool pass with a diploma, the rest either drop out or fail, is it really worth screwing up your life just to save the life of a baby you didnt even want in the first place. Another thing if a pregnant woman doesnt want a baby they have every god-damn right to have an abortion no matter how far into the pregnancy they are. All of you who say that abortion is up to the woman, than congrats, you are a smart person. Those who say that its killing and should be outlawed, then take your hippie asses over to places such as Iraq and stand there and watch people die of disease and bullets and many other greusome causes of death, you think abortion s worse than that, well your wrong abortion is like swatting an already dead fly compared to the atrocities goin on over there. Case Closed


Ok, i am not trying to offend anyone. I am not trying to say people cant have an opinion, im just trying to make a point and to discourage more people friom making more pointless threads such as this in the future. have a good day and for those who practically live and breath arguing over this stuff, GET A LIFE!


Ok im done now, bye:cool:

[Edited on 13-6-2004 by Bass GS SP Deluxe]

[quote]Originally posted by Bass GS SP Deluxe
Ok think about what you people are arguing about, all of us males dont know what its like to be pregnant and have a baby so we should just not talk in subjects such as this, As for you girls or women who have never had a child, you dont know what women go through during pregnancy so you dont reallly have a reason to talk. Also, there are a hell of alot of more important issues in this world today. Also, say you were a girl and you and your boyfriend (if you had one) had intercourse and you got pregnant now assuming that you were still in highschool, roughly 30% of all Mothers still in highschool pass with a diploma, the rest either drop out or fail, is it really worth screwing up your life just to save the life of a baby you didnt even want in the first place. Another thing if a pregnant woman doesnt want a baby they have every god-damn right to have an abortion no matter how far into the pregnancy they are. All of you who say that abortion is up to the woman, than congrats, you are a smart person. Those who say that its killing and should be outlawed, then take your hippie asses over to places such as Iraq and stand there and watch people die of disease and bullets and many other greusome causes of death, you think abortion s worse than that, well your wrong abortion is like swatting an already dead fly compared to the atrocities goin on over there. Case Closed


Ok, i am not trying to offend anyone. I am not trying to say people cant have an opinion, im just trying to make a point and to discourage more people friom making more pointless threads such as this in the future. have a good day and for those who practically live and breath arguing over this stuff, GET A LIFE!


Ok im done now, bye:cool:

[Edited on 13-6-2004 by Bass GS SP Deluxe] [/quote]

Case closed? Hippie ass? Your argument isn\'t convincing, just humorous.

Hippie am I? Look, I\'m against killing innocents, not evildoers, I am for the Iraq war because I feel they are a threat to world peace.

Saddam is an evil man. He has done evil things. You want hippies? Talk to the Liberals. They Blamed Bush Sr. for starting the Gulf War. Sorry, didn\'t Saddam start it? Guess not.

Oh, and I forgot to ask, just how is abortion swatting a dead fly? That anolgy makes no sense.

Hey fools, be the better men and don\'t make this a political topic.

BassGS, you have very ummm..strong opinions, yes. But you said yourself that people \'shouldn\'t talk\' unless they\'re essientially pregnant or have had an abortion. So..have you had an abortion? Or maybe a little nipper is coming? How far along are you, anyway?

And Sage, it\'s politician.

Mega X, Im not calling you a hippie, im not even sure why i used that. my post was partially meant to be Humorous, Also i had no intention of sounding like a polititian (i despise politics very much)and my analogy is simply saying that the Killings going on over in Iraq and that area are 1000 times worse than abortion

Hollow Torment: Im not so sure about you but im a Male, and was only posting what i posted to try and get people to get a life and stop making pointless threads about topics such as this.

This thread isn\'t pointless. Last time I checked, its point was to have a debate about abortion.

The thread isn\'t pointless when intelligent people are discussing their views (and the pros and cons) of a serious issue.

Which is what we were doing until we got OMG U GUYS GET A LIEF.

im not sure i see how this thread is so pointless. Haven\'t you ever seen one of those T.v. shows where for an hour 4 old people just talk about topics going on in the world and crap. If they made a show out of it and spend money on it. I dont think its pointless. There is a purpose. You can change the way people think, and if people are thinking 24/7 then i could change alot about them. Not like that happens that much but it could. You dont know.....

[Edited on 20-6-2004 by Gutter Mouth]

I know most of this is probably already said, but I\'m repeating anyway.

I\'m not very fond of abortion, but if a lady wants to pay a doctor hundreds of dollars to go up and snip pieces of a soon to be human being and might accidentally kill an organ, that\'s their choice. Abortion shouldn\'t necessarily be illegal, but it\'d be nice if people thought of other ways to work things out. Atleast try. If they don\'t want to do that, go for adoption.

Pfft.

How can you speak of that so lightly? Rape victims go through emotional damage. That\'s why it\'s called Rape. They do not want to carry the trauma from that incident.

Is it wrong to force a woman to carry a baby that she does not want from a very traumatic experience? Is it?!

In any case, there are \"solutions\" but they\'re not too much of solutions because there are already problems with adoption as it is. What other solutions do you suggest?

OK, let\'s say I get beat up by someone. If I don\'t want to carry the trauma, then does that merit me killing him?

...*sighs*...

That comparasion is weak. You\'re a guy.

Edit-- I knew I should\'ve added more:

Yeah, but as I said, you are a guy. So, if someone beats you up, you techincally are already inclined to beat that person up in blind rage unless you choose to be better and walk off.

The society has defined men to be strong and women to be weak, so women aren\'t exactly strong except for athletles (but sadly, althetic women do get raped...)

I\'ve taken self defense class myself and I was the only one who could knock the teacher\'s assistant (a male) to the ground. The class was set up to give the women the sense that there was danger, so they had to fight.

Then again, I\'m not really the typical woman because I don\'t get scared, I end up channeling my fear into rage... x_x;

I dunno if that even made sense or not. *sigh*

[Edited on 27-6-2004 by Kia_Purity]