Mega X..being beat up isn\'t even near the same as being raped and having to carry a child.

Seeing that child everyday would remind you of the trauma you went through. Sure, I know of some kids who are just pro-lifers because their mother was a rape victim that decided to have the child. I wouldn\'t think \"My daddy is a rapist, I\'m glad he raped my mommy so she could have me.\" is exactly something to merit being pro-life, but whatever.

And Kia\'s right, athletic women do get raped.. Even Chyna was raped in high school, and she has more muscle in her arm than I probably do in my entire body.

No, no. That\'s not the same thing. What would be more close is if some guy raped you - and yes, that does happen, just not anywhere near as frequent as it does to females. Except maybe in prison.

I\'m sure you\'d feel differently if you were raped though, than if you were beat up. The problem with giving birth to a baby in such a case is that the baby could be like a reminder to the woman what happened. She could always put the baby up for adoption, but really, that creates a whole nother mess. In any case, such an event is also not fair to a baby, as it could grow up without a father, or could be painful for the child to know that his existence came at the expense of the mother being victimized.



You\'re missing the point. Adoption isn\'t a perfect solution and there are many kids that get tossed around in it\'s system and never get a real family. If someone is not willing to help the existing problem with adoption, then they shouldn\'t promote adding to it. It\'s sad that so many people care about a baby before it\'s born but forget about it once it is.

Likewise, I find it sad that thee are people who don\'t care about the baby before it\'s born. Even though it has a heartbeat, they\'d condem it to death.

Rape is a terrible thing, but I do not think that if you are raped, then you have the right to take the life of someone who hasn\'t done anything.

I hope you realize, that you were born because your mother didn\'t get an abortion.

And I don\'t believe anyone other than the female who was raped, has any say in what she should do with the baby.

Women aren\'t babymakers. Well, they are but they can do tons of other things too. They shouldn\'t be forced to have a child because of some sicko that needed to get his rocks off. A child isn\'t like a puppy, or a kitten..it\'s a lifetime responsibility. A lifetime of being a single parent, a lifetime of having a child that was the product of rape, a lifetime of having the child remind you of the trauma, and lets not forget the child who has to deal with knowing his father was some random rapist.

I personally don\'t think you take that into consideration, when you get on your soapbox.

You\'re right, it isn\'t a kitten or a puppy. It\'s a human being. It would be almost the same as killing you really.

I understand your point, but I don\'t agree that rape give a woman the right to kill anyone other than the person who raped her.

Oh, and yes, I do think about it when I get on my \"soapbox\". Personally, I don\'t think you consider the fact that said child is alive.

...that is really stupid.

So it\'s okay for a woman to kill a rapist, and take THAT life, but not the life of the baby inside her body?

That\'s just frickin hypocritical.

Besides, it\'s also considered abortion in a sense, when a woman takes a morning after pill. All it is, is a fertilized cell then *hears everyone say \'eewwww gross\'* which doesn\'t have cute little arms and legs or even resembles a human. And people aren\'t so anal about morning after pills, because it\'s not a cute little baby then.

It\'s the same damn deal with animals. Like that poor shark who bit some kids leg off at a beach. The grandfather went into the water, grabbed the shark, beat it to death, was considered a hero and everyone applauded.

If I went and did that to someone\'s dog who bit my kid, people would call the damned humane society because dogs are so \'cute\' and \'fluffy\' and domesticated. It\'s just all hypocritical bullshit.

I think that a woman should be allowed, having it be her decision, to have an abortion to a child that wasn\'t even brought the right way the woman wanted.

A woman most likely, when she wants to have a baby, will want not only a supportive man by her side, but a supportive husband and father. They have to forsee the aftermath, a woman in her heart will know if they and her spouse are ready to have a child.


However, if a woman is raped, she is not only raped sexually and physically but she is raped emotionally and her entire future has basically been raped. A random guy walking along that see\'s a woman he wants to rape doesn\'t care less if he gets her pregnant. Infact, I highly doubt the asshole even cares to put protection on.

But that\'s not the point, the point is that it\'s not right a woman should be forced to deal with a future that she does not want. If she carried on, had the baby, the life of the baby too would be in shambles because not only is daddy a rapiest, he isn\'t present in the child\'s life. And I highly doubt the mother would go out looking for a father to help raise the kid. The woman, or should I say mother would have a broken heart to have this child she did not want for the rest of her days.

The child would do nothing but symbolize her past and the trauma she had gone through. Having the child would only make matters worst for the woman and her new child. It\'s bad enough she has been traumatized, why would she want to carry the child that symbolizes that?

I think that killing the child before it is born will not only be the best thing for the child but for the woman who was raped into having this child, so no one has to feel the pain except the woman, which is still a damn shame and hopefully one day she\'ll get around that and move on.

And why would killing the baby make a difference whether the woman will get better, you might ask? I think she\'s doing the child a favour by keeping it from living a false life. And also this way, the woman can worry about her own trauma and not hers plus someone elses.

But in a different case, if a woman and man are happily married and want to have a child together but then all of a sudden the woman says \"I don\'t want this child anymore.\" It\'s not right to have an abortion in this case.

[Edited on 28-6-2004 by Arkane]

I wouldn\'t exactly condone said murder, but I\'d understand it. At least the rapist did something to deserve it. What exactly did the Fetus do?

I don\'t think killing the rapiest would make a difference. But bringing him to justice, perhaps. I don\'t think the woman would feel different knowing that the man that gave her the child is dead. Sure, he may have deserved it but I doubt that\'s what the woman would want.

The fetus didn\'t do anything, which makes this part of the decision difficult because you are going to kill something that hasn\'t even had the chance to exsist. Maybe that\'s why some women will carry on with the baby, even if they were raped because they feel sorry for it, knowing all of the possibilies it has to look forward to or should I say could look forward to.

There\'s a heartbeat, yes. Whether or not a fetus is sentient or not is an entirely different matter.

I\'m not supporting condeming unborn babies to death. I\'m looking at the entire problem, and not just what happens before they\'re born.



Whether or not a fetus is alive is entirely a different arguement. You may believe it to be, but not everyone think\'s a heartbeat alone makes it alive.



Bad arguement. Just because my mother didn\'t get an abortion doesn\'t mean she was against it. People have choices, and she choose to give birth to me.

Its wrong why would you kill a innocent baby how you like when you were born and your mother killed you!!!!!:madgo:

[Edited on 7-7-2004 by bomb man sp]

If only the mothers of lamers would\'ve had abortions, then we wouldn\'t have to deal with you!

I had to say that, sorry.

it\'s just wrong to have an abortion:madgo::madgo:

(to Bombmansp and BassGospel)

Can you two actually list reasons instead of just sticking with the old, very tired \"it\'s wrong!\"?

Everyone has different views on what\'s right and what\'s wrong but at least some people do try to list the reasons, but you two aren\'t even *trying*. Thusly, your arguments add nothing to this debate.

As much as I agree that its wrong, I\'ll have to agree with Kia about providing facts.

Alright i\'m going back a few post then work to the bottom.

If you got raped i don\'t see how you could really want to keep the child unless some other reasons like, you couldn\'t have a baby with your husband or something along those lines. If you have a husband and you are deepyly in love with him wouldn\'t you want it to be both your baby? I mean, of course if you did give birth to the little noise machines it would be both of yours anyway, but wouldn\'t it be more \"special\" if it was shared? I know if my woman had a kid i would still feel a little weird around it knowing what my sugar-booger was forced down and was sexed against her will. Even more trauma if it was her first time and lost it to a rapist. I\'ll tell you, it\'s not that fun.

Next topic for me...

Mega X exe comparing a bully with a rapist IS weak. You would forget a school bully within a few years TOPS unless it was just that important to you. The details would fade, how much it hurt would get lost in your mind, the date and time you would forget. But with a rapist your gunna remember every single detail and relive it everytime you think about. Does that sound like a very equal comparison?

Next topic....

Bombmansp and BassGospel please.... contribute to the topic and not just blurt out random feelings. What you both said could have been said in the simple poll.

\"Its wrong why would you kill a innocent baby how you like when you were born and your mother killed you!!!!!\"

Well.... i guess i wouldn\'t care seeing as i wouldn\'t be born. It would save me lots of trouble i\'ll tell you that. But true, i\'m not saying i wouldn\'t have like to be born. Like \"It\'s A Wonderful Life\" the dude wishes he was never born and the angle comes and shows him the error of his thinking. Nothing like that. Just if i was a little fetus i could understand if my momma wanted to kill me. I\'d have nothing to lose really.... :cool:

[Edited on 9-7-2004 by Gutter Mouth]

Personally, I don\'t see the difference between a child before it exits the mother and after. Oh, and by the way, if a heartbeat doesn\'t prove that its alive, then tell me something else that has a heartbeat and isn\'t considered alive.

I think what Necro might mean by alive, is not just existing..but being self-aware.

So would that mean that a person in a coma is not \"alive\"?

A person in a coma is still subconsiously (sp?) awake and aware. Maybe not in the sense you are thinking of but still, their using their brain. I\'m pretty sure fetus\'s don\'t use their brain, fully at least. With their senses sight, smell, touch, hearing, and taste dormant, they are not all COMPLETELY human (i use that broadly) yet... At least as i think of it. Also Sage keep in mind that most abortions occur early on in when the child\'s developement in the womb hasn\'t even begun to take the shape of a fetus. So most times when they zap \'em there just a ball of cells. Most don\'t even start getting a heartbeat when they get killed... notice that i did say most.

EDIT: Well i\'m not actually sure 100% that they get them when their a ball of cells starting to make a fetus but thats what i would believe they would do. I could be wrong... i put the edit in so if i was wrong, i wouldn\'t sound like a complete jackass.....

[Edited on 11-7-2004 by Gutter Mouth]

OK I\'m sorry I didn\'t guve more info on my last post, so here we go again.

If the woman was raped then she has every right to get an abortion.
But if she and her boyfriend or whatever were just careless then she should not have an abortion and bring up the child. Or if the child isn\'t going to be cared for properly then put it up for abortion.

Abortian is bad!!!
It wasn\'t supposed to happen that way!:mad:
See yall.

[quote]Originally posted by Gutter Mouth
A person in a coma is still subconsiously (sp?) awake and aware. Maybe not in the sense you are thinking of but still, their using their brain. I\'m pretty sure fetus\'s don\'t use their brain, fully at least. With their senses sight, smell, touch, hearing, and taste dormant, they are not all COMPLETELY human (i use that broadly) yet... At least as i think of it. Also Sage keep in mind that most abortions occur early on in when the child\'s developement in the womb hasn\'t even begun to take the shape of a fetus. So most times when they zap \'em there just a ball of cells. Most don\'t even start getting a heartbeat when they get killed... notice that i did say most.

EDIT: Well i\'m not actually sure 100% that they get them when their a ball of cells starting to make a fetus but thats what i would believe they would do. I could be wrong... i put the edit in so if i was wrong, i wouldn\'t sound like a complete jackass.....


EDIT: My first post on this took out all intelligent aspects out of this conversation. I thought that i\'d write something more furfilling to the topic, so i just edited the whole bugger out. I\'ll put it in a spoiler if you still wish to read it. Still, it doesn\'t really add to the topic.

[Edited on 10-7-2004 by Gutter Mouth]

[Edited on 10-7-2004 by Gutter Mouth]

[Edited on 10-7-2004 by Gutter Mouth] [/quote]

They\'re not really aware, they just sort of exist.

You suck.

1) Provide points/reason. Otherwise, old tired argument.

2) Don\'t just randomly pop in threads to whine and leave.

3) Nuff said.


BG- Thank you for proving reasons, but don\'t you mean \"adoption\"?

[Edited on 10-7-2004 by Kia_Purity]

But still they do use their brain. Their dreaming and thinking and all that good stuff. But the real thing about people in comas is they do have a chance to awaken and become aware of the world again. A lot of times when people are in comas for an extended amount of time their relatives do have the choice to use the right of death. It is legal to \"pull the plug\" if the relative sees fit after a certain period of time. But now i\'m starting to get into something else.

But like i said, i am pretty sure abortionist don\'t wait around until the cells have matured into a fully developed fetus. Really when they do this their taking away an opurtunity rather than a life.

That\'s a good way of putting it, Gutter. Very nice.

Yeah sorry I do mean adoption i guess I just got carried away with the word abortion. Both words are spelt similarly.
Sorry:cry::cry: