70.000 years ago there were only 2000 humans, we were an endangered species!
Just one war, one epidemic, one major natural catastrophe, and we would not exist to discuss this here and now...

[Edited on 23-8-2005 by Morphman]

Why\'s the sky blue? Water... it was a canopy protecting us from UV (Ultra Violet) Rays. Some people may always be wondering until they die, some are sure... I\'m sure about what I know and believe I know the truth before I die; It\'s WAY better sooner than later.

Let me go back and refresh that statement. With out some kind of evolution, there would be no ethnicities. Different skin pigmentations occurred over time as adaptations or small evolutions. I don\'t know where you have seen this hour glass figure Hollow, if you don\'t mind looking I would like to see it because all the charts I\'ve seen have shown a steady increase in the human population over the last 500,000 years.

Guess I\'ll have to tell you my whole story, again...

AAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!
NO! NOT A KIND OF TOPIC LIKE THIS! NOOOOOOO!!! I GET CONFUSED ALL DA TIME BECAUSE OF THESE KINDA THINGS!

Phew... relieving...

Y\'all know da story \'bout the Big Bang, righ\'?
That\'s when some higher force came in.
There exists a Multiverse, all dimensions, all universes, everything, is part of it.
Nobody will ever know how the Multiverse was created... Noone will ever know, or they\'ll have to forget it immediatly, because the knowledge is to much to handle, not even a being we call \'God\' would be capable of understanding...
When our part of the Multiverse was created, the \'Spirit of the Multiverse\', which was in all the other dimensions in all sorts of things, all living beings and their minds and souls,
that Spirit, put a part of itself, evergrowing, in our universe... It manifested itself in forms of \'divine beings\' or \'Gods\' as we call them. They made the universe to take shape, slowly transforming in the place we know today.
At a certain point, Life came in, and Evelution striked, forming forming small living things, micro-organisms, to live here and slowly, step by step, to be developed in more sofisticated and complicated forms of life... but Evelution cannot exist without sexuality...
When micro-organisms duplicate themselves, there are some things that can and will go wrong... that way males and females were formed...
Now that had happened, the higher evolved forms of life couldn\'t go on with existing without sexuality. Through sexuality, Evolution could more easily turn lifeforms into better lifeforms and slowly, millions after billions of years, the world became to know lifeforms known today as \'Humans\',
They were different from all the others, they might not even be real or actually a part from most of Multiverse,
they were, how can I say it best? Changing...
They could adapt themselves easily to many circumstances, they had real intelligence and speach, unlike the other species in this universe...


...


\"We will never know what lies ahead, but the history might be even a greater mystery...\"
- quote copyrighted by me.

Absolutely. Didn\'t he say there wouldn\'t be another like it?


Sure... God needs to fool scientists because he has everything to lose... God isn\'t trying to fool anyone, because if you don\'t believe him and think he\'s fooling you, you also think he doesn\'t exist. If you believe he isn\'t fooling you, you believe in him. In other words, believe his word and believe in him. My point being that God doesn\'t \"fool\" anybody.

Basically it all comes down to belief.

You know why evolution isn\'t true... because don\'t thing gradually get worse. Steel rust...people get old...it\'s just life...

OK if you don\'t belive in god and I do heres a question. What if I get to haeven and theres nothing there? I was wrong... I don\'t care! I\'v got it made! But what if you were wrong... where would you be?

I\'d be in nothing with you and everyone else, obviously.

And Ryouga I saw it on the History Channel or PBS or such, so I dunno if it\'s on the web anyplace..

DAMN! well crap...I looked for about an hour for charts and they all show a slow increase until about 1500 years ago then we went sex crazy.

wasn\'t that 150 years ago? when you were born? :devil:

ain\'t it still goin\'. If it ain\'t fo offspring, like in Africa or Asia, it\'s fo somethin\' else like in da USA.... damned! kill those dirty ol\' men!

Heh heh... Well, Hibiki, I already discovered you\'re fun to debate with. I guess I\'ll make some comments on the flood. First off, there\'s actually quite a lot of evidence of massive erosion and water covering everything and such in the past- thing is, scientists like to take it as something that happened of billions of years- for instance, things like the Grand Canyon. When in fact, when Mount St. Helens blew, it created a very similar effect in a matter of minutes. It really doesn\'t take as long as they say- and water can certainly do the trick. As for all the water, the Bible actually states that the water didn\'t just come from above, but below, as well. I personally think that much of that water went back down where it came from- there\'s certainly a lot of it underground, and all it really takes is some sysmic upheaval to send it shooting to the surface.

As for people inbreeding- If you believe the Bible, you\'ll believe that God created two perfect people. If they are perfect, then there will be no defects to be passed along to children, no deformities to surface on new generations. Those were something that took a long time to develope, and although we have them now, if the world started with perfection, then I believe it was truly perfection. Things degenerated over time, thus the reason people live much shorter lifespans than is mentioned in the Bible and the reason that there is a much higher rate of physical and mental deformities.

-Ri

And again, we have proof the Hu Men are imperfect...
Thus, they cannot fool-proof know how this \'place\', started...
\'Nuff said.

I personally think God and the Devil coincided and made the universe by causing the Big Bang. But I voted for God, so....

P.S. *looks at Dan\'s post* *cough* God, smite him! *waits a few seconds* Don\'t worry, he\'ll get you when you least expect it.

Don\'t worry, Damn Dan will be smited, either by God, me, you or someone else, I don\'t care. His membership will end horribly for him... :devil:

EDIT: now I think of it, God isn\'t powerful @Interordi... Dr. C. will smite him, though Dannyboy hasn\'t posted here a while... relieving...

[Edited on 28-8-2005 by Morphman]

Well, there was the whole thing in the Bible about how God and the Devil were brothers....maybe when the Devil was a good dude he was teamed up with God to create a wonderful utopia where Animals talk, Hippies don\'t exist, and Gas is plentiful....Sorta like those Mom & Pop stores that gouged water prices during Hurricane Katrina....

I\'m going to have to throw out a theory here.

See, I don\'t believe God created a world-wide flood. That would just be overkill.

For starters, Man had not yet scattered. So they lived in a centralized location. In addition, the word for \"world\" has many different words for it in the original Hebrew, one of which means the \"known world\".

EDIT: And Megaman Masta: Just....no. God and Satan aren\'t brothers.

If we want a history lesson on Satan, here goes. Er...from Christian Tradition of course.

First of all, Satan also goes by the name Lucifer according tradition. Long story short: It was supposed to refer to the state he had fallen from, but then some old guy made it his proper name.

Anyway.

Lucifer is a Latin word made up of two words, lux (light; genitive lucis) and ferre (to bear, to bring), meaning light-bearer. Lucifer does not appear in Greek or Roman mythology; it is used by poets to represent the Morning Star at moments when \"Venus\" would intrude distracting imagery of the goddess. \"Lucifer\" is Jerome\'s direct translation in his Vulgate (4th century) of the Septuagint\'s Greek translation, as heosphoros, \"morning star\" or \"Day Star,\" literally \"bringer of the Dawn\", of a phrase in from Isaiah 14:12 that originally intended no reference to Satan . From the viewpoint of the Christian mythology that developed after Jerome, Lucifer came to be seen as having been second in command to God himself; he was the highest archangel in heaven, but he was motivated by pride and greed to rebel against God and was cast out of heaven by Archangel Michael. Lucifer was also followed by some angels. Then he became the Devil, and his followers were known as demons.

[Edited on 8/28/2005 by Mega X.exe]

[quote]Originally posted by Mega X.exe
I\'m going to have to throw out a theory here.

See, I don\'t believe God created a world-wide flood. That would just be overkill.

For starters, Man had not yet scattered. So they lived in a centralized location. In addition, the word for \"world\" has many different words for it in the original Hebrew, one of which means the \"known world\".

EDIT: And Megaman Masta: Just....no. God and Satan aren\'t brothers.

If we want a history lesson on Satan, here goes. Er...from Christian Tradition of course.

First of all, Satan also goes by the name Lucifer according tradition. Long story short: It was supposed to refer to the state he had fallen from, but then some old guy made it his proper name.

Anyway.

Lucifer is a Latin word made up of two words, lux (light; genitive lucis) and ferre (to bear, to bring), meaning light-bearer. Lucifer does not appear in Greek or Roman mythology; it is used by poets to represent the Morning Star at moments when \"Venus\" would intrude distracting imagery of the goddess. \"Lucifer\" is Jerome\'s direct translation in his Vulgate (4th century) of the Septuagint\'s Greek translation, as heosphoros, \"morning star\" or \"Day Star,\" literally \"bringer of the Dawn\", of a phrase in from Isaiah 14:12 that originally intended no reference to Satan . From the viewpoint of the Christian mythology that developed after Jerome, Lucifer came to be seen as having been second in command to God himself; he was the highest archangel in heaven, but he was motivated by pride and greed to rebel against God and was cast out of heaven by Archangel Michael. Lucifer was also followed by some angels. Then he became the Devil, and his followers were known as demons.

[Edited on 8/28/2005 by Mega X.exe] [/quote]

Yes, but some say the demons were later created out of the evil in Man\'s Soul, sometimes turning that person into a demon self!

Building upon the few references to daemons in the New Testament, especially the visionary poetry of the Apocalypse of John, Christian writers of apocrypha from the 2nd century onwards created a more complicated tapestry of beliefs about \"demons\" that was independent of Christian scripture.

According to Christian mythology, when God created angels, he offered them the same choice he was to offer humanity: follow, or be cast apart from him. Some angels chose not to follow God, instead choosing the path of evil. These are not the fallen angels, but are the pre-human entities known as demons. The fallen angels are the host of angels who later rebelled against God, headed by Lucifer and Satan, who was talked into rebelling by Lucifer. And later the 200 angels known as the Grigori, led by Semyazza, Azazel and other angelic chiefs, some of whom became the demons that were conjured by King Solomon and imprisoned in the brass vessel, the Goetia demons, descended to Earth and cohabited with the daugthers of men.

War in Heaven

According to popular tradition, the fall of Satan is portrayed in Ezekiel 28:12-19 and Isaiah 14:12-14— although both passages explicitly refer to earthly kings, not to Satan or any demonic entity. Christian mythology builds upon later Jewish traditions that Satan and his host declared war with God, but that God\'s army, commanded by the archangel Michael, defeated the rebels. Their defeat was never in question, since God is by nature omnipotent, but Michael was given the honor of victory in the natural order; thus the rise of Christian veneration of the archangel Michael, beginning at Monte Gargano in 493, reflects the full incorporation of demons into Christianity. God then cast his enemies from Heaven to the abyss, into a newly created prison called Hell (allusions to such a pit are made in the Book of Revelation, as pits of sulphur and fire) where all his enemies should be sentenced to an eternal existence of pain and misery. This pain is not all physical; for their crimes, these angels, now called demons, would be deprived of the sight of God (2 Thessalonians 1:9), this being the worst possible punishment.

An indefinite time later, when God created the earth and humans, Satan and the other demons were allowed to tempt humans or induce them to sin by other means. The first time Satan did this was in the earthly paradise or Garden of Eden to tempt Eve, who subsequently drew her husband Adam into her crime. Upon their failure, as part of the punishment, the permission granted to Satan and his demons to tempt the first humans away from their Creator will now last until the end of this world for all people.

Demonologies

At various times in Christian history, attempts have been made to classify these beings according to various proposed demonic hierarchies.

According to most Christian demonology demons will be eternally punished and never reconciled with God. Other theories postulate a Universal reconciliation, in which Satan, the fallen angels, and the souls of the dead that were condemned to Hell are reconciled with God. This doctrine is today often associated with the Unification Church. Origen, Jerome and Gregory of Nyssa also mentioned this possibility before it was generally accepted that the fallen state is eternal.

In contemporary Christianity, demons are generally considered to be angels who fell from grace by rebelling against God. However, this view, championed by Origen, Augustine and John Chrysostom, arose during the 6th century. Prior to that time, the primary sin of fallen angels was considered to be that of mating with mortal women, giving rise to a race of half-human giants known as the Nephilim.

There are still others who say that the sin of the angels was pride and disobedience. It seems quite certain that these were the sins that caused Satan\'s downfall (Ezek. 28). If this be the true view then we are to understand the words, \"estate\" or \"principality\" in Deuteronomy 32:8 and Jude 6 (\"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.\") as indicating that instead of being satisfied with the dignity once for all assigned to them under the Son of God, they aspired higher.


. 27 Aug. 2005. Wikipedia. 28 Aug. 2005 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demons#In_Christian_myth_and_legend>.

Demons are awesome. Unless they keep hitting your green souls outta your gauntlet, powering up and kicking your ass.

Demions have no problems there. They kick @$$ much harder and faster!

Well Mega X, seems you know religions well. You probably had stories in the bible read to you before bedtime, perhaps? No, I know, but you sure know a lot on this subject!
But now, a theory. What if a \'fallen angel\' or demon (which can also be a -erm- daemonised human, taken over by the physical essence of his own evils within), what if that one would turn for the good? Regret the done evils, going to do good things. (which do NOT include baking cookies to sell, although it would be nice)
Then you\'d have Angels against Fallen, and Daemon-Humen versus The Returned.

[Edited on 29-8-2005 by Morphman]

I think that the universe was here forever, but earth was just a big rock, but then god gave it life(trees, plants, water) and people to watch his garden. WE ARE ALL LITTLE EVIL GARDENERS. YAY EVIL!:muha::muha::muha::devil::muha:;D

I believe God created the world. The big bang is far too theoretical, plus there\'s more proof of God than evolution.

There\'s actually no proof of both at all. I could jump off a building, saying God wouldn\'t let me die, and yet I\'ll die for sure!

Somehow, I feel like I have to tell my whole story again... *sigh* ow well...


Y\'all know da story \'bout the Big Bang, righ\'?
That\'s when some higher force came in.
There exists a Multiverse, all dimensions, all universes, everything, is part of it.
Nobody will ever know how the Multiverse was created... Noone will ever know, or they\'ll have to forget it immediatly, because the knowledge is to much to handle, not even a being we call \'God\' would be capable of understanding...
When our part of the Multiverse was created, the \'Spirit of the Multiverse\', which was in all the other dimensions in all sorts of things, all living beings and their minds and souls,
that Spirit, put a part of itself, evergrowing, in our universe... It manifested itself in forms of \'divine beings\' or \'Gods\' as we call them. They made the universe to take shape, slowly transforming in the place we know today.
At a certain point, Life came in, and Evelution striked, forming forming small living things, micro-organisms, to live here and slowly, step by step, to be developed in more sofisticated and complicated forms of life... but Evelution cannot exist without sexuality...
When micro-organisms duplicate themselves, there are some things that can and will go wrong... that way males and females were formed...
Now that had happened, the higher evolved forms of life couldn\'t go on with existing without sexuality. Through sexuality, Evolution could more easily turn lifeforms into better lifeforms and slowly, millions after billions of years, the world became to know lifeforms known today as \'Humans\',
They were different from all the others, they might not even be real or actually a part from most of Multiverse,
they were, how can I say it best? Changing...
They could adapt themselves easily to many circumstances, they had real intelligence and speach, unlike the other species in this universe...


...


\"We will never know what lies ahead, but the history might be even a greater mystery...\"
- quote copyrighted by me.

Yes, Evolution is a good theory...but only theory. I\'ll start believin\' it when somebody shows me a skeleton of what looks like a half ape half man.:lol: At least we know a man named Jesus lived. No point in arguing about it, because it would just keep going.

There actually is proof Jesus is the missing link.

No there isn\'t. There is no \"missing link.\" We did not evolve from apes, apes and man evolved from a common ancestor.

Yeshua (Jesus) was simply an Israli man with links to a high Rabbi family. He did have potential to become the \'King of the Jews\' but he preached that you didn\'t need to pay the Rabbi for them to talk to God for him to forgive you (this was how they made money). The Rabbi didn\'t like this so they had Jesus snuffed.

That\'s the story. It was all about the money. Yeshua of Nazerath has nothing to do with evolution.

EDIT: And X, wasn\'t the entire Lucifer being expolted from Heaven and becoming Satan a fictious story called \"Paridise Lost\"? I believe it to be. I could be wrong though.

[Edited on 10/3/2005 by mr.match]

[quote]Originally posted by mr.match

No there isn\'t. There is no \"missing link.\" We did not evolve from apes, apes and man evolved from a common ancestor.

Yeshua (Jesus) was simply an Israli man with links to a high Rabbi family. He did have potential to become the \'King of the Jews\' but he preached that you didn\'t need to pay the Rabbi for them to talk to God for him to forgive you (this was how they made money). The Rabbi didn\'t like this so they had Jesus snuffed.

That\'s the story. It was all about the money. Yeshua of Nazerath has nothing to do with evolution.

EDIT: And X, wasn\'t the entire Lucifer being expolted from Heaven and becoming Satan a fictious story called \"Paridise Lost\"? I believe it to be. I could be wrong though.

[Edited on 10/3/2005 by mr.match] [/quote]

Well, the fact that Jesus was performing miracles and stuff didn\'t help the Rabbi\'s situation. It was about the money AND reputation.:lol: The Passion was a good movie, it also ties into why they had Jesus \'snuffed\'. So if you guys are wondering, there ya go.;D

[quote]Originally posted by PsychoGiga
[quote]Originally posted by mr.match

No there isn\'t. There is no \"missing link.\" We did not evolve from apes, apes and man evolved from a common ancestor.

Yeshua (Jesus) was simply an Israli man with links to a high Rabbi family. He did have potential to become the \'King of the Jews\' but he preached that you didn\'t need to pay the Rabbi for them to talk to God for him to forgive you (this was how they made money). The Rabbi didn\'t like this so they had Jesus snuffed.

That\'s the story. It was all about the money. Yeshua of Nazerath has nothing to do with evolution.

EDIT: And X, wasn\'t the entire Lucifer being expolted from Heaven and becoming Satan a fictious story called \"Paridise Lost\"? I believe it to be. I could be wrong though.

[Edited on 10/3/2005 by mr.match] [/quote]

Well, the fact that Jesus was performing miracles and stuff didn\'t help the Rabbi\'s situation. It was about the money AND reputation.:lol: The Passion was a good movie, it also ties into why they had Jesus \'snuffed\'. So if you guys are wondering, there ya go.;D [/quote]
That movie wasn\'t actually based off the Christian Bible. It was based off of an anti-Jew play. When director Nel Gibson was asked about this he freaked out.
The Passions was an anti-Jew film. Nothing more.

About JC being the missing link:
HAH!

Now, yes, we evolved from a common ancestor, and if you count in all mammals, it were mice. You heard me, the common ancestor for mammals were virmin. Really.
JC, he might\'ve been a magician. The kind who entertains people in the circus or at B-Day parties. It also just might\'ve been coincedence of those so-called miracles, we can\'t prove what happened so far back in history.
And yes, it was ahelllottaboutta money.

I always knew you where a rat, Morph

And yeah, Darwin\'s theory about man from ape was a bit off. But that was made in the what? 40\'s or 50\'s? We\'ve made advances since then and know more about the history and the branching of species.

Big Bang:

The big bang didn\'t nessisarily \"start it all\" but more accuratly \"startted what\'s around us.\" The area of the universe that we inhabbit has, in this theory, always existed but was uninhabital until a few thousand billion years. The big bang was just a reaction that blew a ton of gasses and other matter that reacted with each other until what we have here today.