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I just finished\"The house of the Dead 3\" and I had this question, How much violence ona game is needed to make it popular? Why it is necessary?

A lot of violence is in front of our heads and we dont even bother about it, its sad to look than a lot of \"good\" games are like
Good videogames=Blood and gore.
I admit than a little of bloodmakes it look better but they are more saddistic everyday. I agrre a little is a good factor but programers should work more on gameplay and history instead on how can you make a lot of blood come out of an enemy´s ripped head.So, what do you think?


Have you thought that megaman 9 might be the last one (where Zero is revealed) why? well the first games used Roman numbers I II III IV V
So maybe the megaman X we know is actually megaman 10!!

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Sometimes its good and nesseary. They sometimes use blood to make games look more real.


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I don\'t agree with the \"good game=blood and gore\". Sure sometimes it\'s good for it to be there, but other times it\'s just plain annoying (MK: DA anyone?). I just hope we don\'t see the day when there\'ll be blood in Mario games...*shudders*


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I don\'t agree with the \"good game=blood and gore\". Sure sometimes it\'s good for it to be there, but other times it\'s just plain annoying (MK: DA anyone?)

I knew someone would bring up an MK game, you just have to look at the roots or Mortal Kombat the game is made of blood and anyone that plays that game knows it\'ll have a truck load of blood in it.

Anyway on to the whole \"good game=blood and gore\" business, in my opinion it\'s not really that bad to have blood in a game, but let us not forget that does not make the game. Good gameplay and story make a good game. If the story happens to be an exceptionally gory one and contains alot of blood then they should put it in, but this is just what I think.


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I believe it varies. If the story calls for blood, then let there be blood. However, if there is no good reason for it, then there should not be blood.

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Yeah you\'re right Mega X.exe. Its the creator\'s job to know when to include blood and when not to include blood otherwise, people won\'t like the game and instead complain about it.


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I believe it varies. If the story calls for blood, then let there be blood. However, if there is no good reason for it, then there should not be blood.


I agree with that, what Im saying is (for example) that in the house of the dead... well..... its really sick, specially when you shoot the fat ones and the flesh around the hole on their stomachis moving,

Just yesterday I saw something horrible (for me ) I saw a couple of 7-year old children PLAYING IT!!. :eek: they looked very \"adapted\" to the videogame!!:eek::eek: they didnt even bothered about it!!:eek::eek::eek:
Thats take me to the next question: if this happened with 2 children, what should be happening to the rest?. Right now everyone has a lot of accecibility to them, parents should keep an eye on them a little more


Have you thought that megaman 9 might be the last one (where Zero is revealed) why? well the first games used Roman numbers I II III IV V
So maybe the megaman X we know is actually megaman 10!!

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I don\'t agree with the \"good game=blood and gore\". Sure sometimes it\'s good for it to be there, but other times it\'s just plain annoying (MK: DA anyone?)

I knew someone would bring up an MK game, you just have to look at the roots or Mortal Kombat the game is made of blood and anyone that plays that game knows it\'ll have a truck load of blood in it.


I used to be a fan of the MK series until I played DA...the amount of blood in it was just ridiculous, you punched the person once and he vomited blood in the whole arena. Worse part is, there are games out there that have more blood...

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Just yesterday I saw something horrible (for me ) I saw a couple of 7-year old children PLAYING IT!!.


Soccer moms prefer bitching about how bad games are instead of monitoring what their kids are playing...Ppl are like that...

[Edited on 22/9/04 by AirMaster]


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corte
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My mom buys me any game I want exept resident evil games. She think they\'re too :devil::devil::devil::devil:ish


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I think that blood and gore can be okay, it promotes realism. I think that the bleeding in the Mortal Kombat series is riciculous, though.. It\'s like the combatants would bleed if you poked them with your finger.. do they all have hemophilia, or something? The Evil Dead: Fistfull of Boomstick game has ridiculous amounts of blood.. but, this makes it funny.. it\'s one of the quirks of the movies, translated to a game. I think that blood and gore can be okay, as said before.. it can add to realism... I just think that blood and gore shouldn\'t be the sole basis for buying a game.. if that\'s your only reason for purchasing a game, you need to have your head checked, most likely.. =p


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Eeeeehhhhhh, I buy games for thier gameplay,graphics, and storyline. And somwtime blood and gore.


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In my opinion; games should be played for FUN. If its not fun no amount of blood will salvage it.

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Well for me it\'s blood can be used to add some really cool effects to the game. The gameplay is most of it, but if you can do a cool move or its a cutscene or something and they have a cool way to use the blood, yeah use it. Same with horror games. But if it\'s a sense-less tons of blood spraying every which way. Thats just lame.

But don\'t get me wrong, I\'m all for blood, its just the way in which the companies use it is what gets me. If you have a legitament reason to make blood pour from a body, do it.

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It\'s true, Blood can often account for a good game, but only for the realism. Other than that, nobody really likes blood and gore in videogames. Well, none that I\'ve met so far.

Anyways, plenty of good games have gone without blood, gore, and any other such mature themes... Can anyone say \"MegaMan\"? And I don\'t mean the much darker and mature X-series. I\'m talking Classic... Pure, simple, colorful, and tons of fun to play. And not a speck of blood in sight.


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It\'s true, Blood can often account for a good game, but only for the realism. Other than that, nobody really likes blood and gore in videogames. Well, none that I\'ve met so far.

Anyways, plenty of good games have gone without blood, gore, and any other such mature themes... Can anyone say \"MegaMan\"? And I don\'t mean the much darker and mature X-series. I\'m talking Classic... Pure, simple, colorful, and tons of fun to play. And not a speck of blood in sight.


Thats a very, very good point.
I agree with the \"ridiculous\" amount of blood in MK but its not just in the videogames, almost every where you can see a lot of violence and you think its normal.
May be our generation has saw so much of this that we are acostumbrated to that.

By the way, resident evil its not so :devil:, its more of using your head (Like the armor room) if some day you have the chance buy it.
In this game, they dont focus so much on blood, just the nescesary. Im notn telling to forbide the blood, im just saying to respect the amount of it.


Have you thought that megaman 9 might be the last one (where Zero is revealed) why? well the first games used Roman numbers I II III IV V
So maybe the megaman X we know is actually megaman 10!!

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Blood has nothing to do with whether a game is good or not; a game with blood can be either good or bad, it really all depends on the gameplay. Like already mentioned, the series Mortal Kombat used to be pretty popular back around 1993-1997, I guess? This was because of the blood, because MK certainly wasn\'t the best fighting game out on the market at the time based on gameplay.

Personally, I don\'t see the real harm in a situation like MK: DA\'s blood being ridiculous. The blood was always ridiculous in the series, that was it\'s drawing point; and thus, I don\'t see why Dark Alliance should be any different. The only real complaint I could see with such gratituous amounts of blood is if it\'s there to compensate for bad gameplay. Dark Alliance wasn\'t really that bad though, I thought.

Right now keeping my eye on a violent currently unreleased game for the PS2, Berserk. The game looks quite violent from what I\'ve seen, but it makes sense if you\'re familiar with the manga it\'s based off. I think it looks like one of the coolest hack and slash games I\'ve ever seen.. too bad it might not come to North America. =/

[Edited on 23-9-2004 by Necro]


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I grew up on blood and gore, sadly. I can even remember... back when I drew my first monsters, you\'d see like a wierd lookin\' gun shooting him and a lung flying out of his head somehow... :P I grew up in the days of Duke Nukem 64 and Hexen...
Now I can\'t even seem to play a game with a lot of gore in it. My set of morals has registered in that blowing a man\'s arms off and watching him fall to the ground can\'t be good entertainment.
Now blood, I can understand. Sometimes the blood can be realistic; other times, like in Guilty Gear, it just seems cooler to see blood appear from nowhere when Testament hits Ky. Just blood that might not even have come from him, flying off in an upward direction... it just looks cool, ya know?
To have a popular game these days, here\'s some tips:
You\'d better have violence, football, or be a classic series...
... or have lots of chicks. :P


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Net Hunter
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To have a popular game these days, here\'s some tips:
You\'d better have violence, football, or be a classic series...
... or have lots of chicks. :P


The last point seems to be an element that can make popular a game.

Anyone remembers cammy and chunli in the first games of street fighter?. Or even better, Dead or Alive 3:Extreme beach volleyball?


Have you thought that megaman 9 might be the last one (where Zero is revealed) why? well the first games used Roman numbers I II III IV V
So maybe the megaman X we know is actually megaman 10!!

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heres da thing......were in America the country of booze boobs and guns, violence in vidoegames is here to stay and no matter how many protesting groups come to go against it, its always gonna be here. So get used to it.

p.s. I LIKE VIOLENCE

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You obviously aren\'t paying much attention. Either that, or, you have the reading comprehension of a carrot. We\'re not saying that blood and violence in videogames is WRONG.. we\'re saying that the quality of a video game should not be based SOLELY on the afforementioned qualities.


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Videogames nowadays seem to be directed at different audiences than back when the NES/Atari/SNES/Genesis was around..

Sure, the Genesis had its Splatterhouse, but that was as worse as it was going to get, just about.

Now we have goddamned Rockstar Games, making games just based on shock value and nothing else. It\'s not ALL they make, no..but it\'s mostly what they make. They don\'t care about gameplay, they care about the physics of the game..how many limbs you can hack off in 3 seconds, stuff like that.

Do not get me wrong, I love gore and violence. When a dog got chopped into several pieces in Battle Angel (an anime), I was the only one in the room saying \"AWESOME!\" :lol: Excessive, senseless violence is pointless and repetitive though..it needs a reason to occur.

Alot of games don\'t have a set reason for violence nowadays, but they show it anyway. *shrug*

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Also, you don\'t want a kindly hero to try hacking his enemy to bits and pieces for no reason.

Nor do you want a sadistic man suddenly trying to make the death sudden and painless.

Of course, you can have those things if there\'s a reason for it.


It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence

[Edited on 9/25/2004 by Mega X.exe]

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that poem was soo beautiful it gave me gas....

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heres da thing......were in America the country of booze boobs and guns, violence in vidoegames is here to stay and no matter how many protesting groups come to go against it, its always gonna be here. So get used to it.

p.s. I LIKE VIOLENCE

Actually I live in mexico until next year, I´ll move to canada


Have you thought that megaman 9 might be the last one (where Zero is revealed) why? well the first games used Roman numbers I II III IV V
So maybe the megaman X we know is actually megaman 10!!

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Looks like this topic is dead. Hey doc, if you please could post your opinion about this and then lock the topic I would thank you

[Edited on 4-10-2004 by Net Hunter]


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So maybe the megaman X we know is actually megaman 10!!

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I think there is a place for blood in some games: it would fit within a realistic-looking game, obviously, and it would sometimes work as a comical effect (note that I said \"sometimes\").

However, the addition of blood shouldn\'t be the main attraction: it makes it pointless. The goal is to have it fit within the context. Many games (and flash animations, while you\'re at it) completely abuse it like they wanted to attract an immature audience who only cares for that useless detail. But then, blood isn\'t the only thing used to sell games. Did somebody mention Xtreme Beach Volleyball? :P

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