Where do you draw the line?

When a man dares to do the impossible, and fails many times...Is he stubborn, or determined?

Where do you draw the line?

But is stubbornness a bad thing? Can\'t it drive a man to do things thought impossible? We see the Wright brothers as determined. But didn\'t their own people view them as stubborn? As stupid?

Can we only discern things after the deed is done?

It\'s kinda tough to detirmine...
Looking at it from third-person, it\'s easy. If a person is clinging onto a belief that\'s wrong, they\'re being stubborn. If it\'s right, they\'re detirmined.
The problem is that our minds and prides won\'t register that in first place.
It can be summed up somewhat simply though. Whenever your being stubborn, you know what you\'re saying is wrong. Always. If you simply can\'t think that it\'s wrong, you\'re being deterimined. Foolish, perhaps, but stubborn wouldn\'t fit it.

Determination is the inability to accept that something can\'t be done, and trying to do it because your beliefs differ from those of the rest of the world\'s.

Stubbornness is best defined as doing somthing that you know can\'t be done, and doing it anyways. So perhaps it\'s a matter of physical ablitity to preform the task.

(A related quote)
[font=Times New Roman]STUBBORNNESS[/font]

Quitters never win, and winners never quit. Those who never quit and never win, they are all idiots.

[Edited on 9/26/04 by Serpentarius]

I am both very stubborn and very determined.

If I know something won\'t work..say, fixing a Playstation controller hasn\'t worked out for me yet. But have I given up? No. My incredible determination and inability to give up has come from the trials I\'ve had in my life... I\'m thankful for the pain in a way, it\'s helped me so much.

Determination is..alot like having hope in something. It may not work out, but you have to keep trying..

Stubborness, well..that\'s when you\'re in an arguement, for example. And the person you\'re arguing with obviously won\'t back down, neither will you.. And you won\'t just say \"Alright, lets just say we agree to disagree and that\'s that.\" You go around and around in circles, trying to get the other person to change their mind which is impossible. That\'s definite stubborninity.