Well... I was wondering... how do you think we came into exsistance, some random chance or created by a deity?

Me? I say a god... even science proves that it\'s true.

OH Man, no! Not this topic!

Agh! These things always turn in to festering stews of contreversy. Let\'s just try to drop it now.

Quick! If we shut this topic down soon, the philosophers might not have time to realize it was ever here!

((Pssst...I say God))

I say God, because without any higher force to create the universe and all that rigamarole how did we ever get here? All of a sudden a 2 people popped outta nowhere?!

A wizard did it.




What? It\'s only OK if a webcomic artist does it?

If a wizard did it than what created the wizard?

Personally, I\'m an evolutionary creationist.

as dumb as this sounds.

Both.

I don\'t beleive that Adam and Eve stuff.
But I DO beleive God put us here.

http://www.interordi.com/mboard/viewthread.php?tid=5596

Probably expect the same result.

Anyway if you think about it both seem improbable.

God: Whoa. The man can create stuff, true dat. So with his power he creates the universe or at least a part of it called Earth. Who created God? Can he create a rock so heavy he can\'t lift? Etc?

Evolution: They say Earth was naturally made by asteroids impacting another and combining or something. A more logical answer than a greater deity, yeah, but still the universe in which this happened just doesn\'t up and start one day. Plus supposedly the universe would have to be infinite. Pick a direction; up down, east west, you\'ll never reach an end.

Everything is suppose to have a start right? The only thing I can think of how the universe started is being made by God. Well then, we have a cycle. God, in my logical thinking, must have been born into the universe, he didn\'t just not start, and then the universe was made by God. Ho hah, paradox.

So, both sides taken in it doesn\'t really matter. And I still don’t really care. But for sakes’ sake, I\'ll just say the G man created Evolution. Somesuch like that and be done with it.

EDIT:

Whoa, whoa, they\'ve proven evolution, mate. It\'s not neccisarily missing one of those things kills off a species just, y\'know, survival of the fittest.

[Edited on 19-8-2005 by Gutter Mouth]

Natural selection!

Besides. Religion feeds you loads of bullshit you can\'t beleive. So does science.
Keep in mind we went a LONG time thinking rats were made out of decaying meat.

The Adam and Eve story is so unbeleivable.
I mean, Adam named EVERY animal? Plus, how did Cain and Abel reproduce? They certainly didn\'t bone their sisters.

It\'s one of them things you need to come and except, religion isn\'t always right and neither is science. That\'s what\'s so great, we have our OWN beleifs. So why confrom to all the churches and labratorys of the world?

There were less species in the days of Adam and Eve, after all, natural selection later on resulted in many types of creatures we have today. Adam must have simply names the \"core\" creatures. Besides, death happened *after* he was banished from the garden. He had quite a lot of time to kill

As for Cain and Abel: The Bible simply left out some details.

Back up.
Who witnessed Adam and eve again??
Who wrote it down?
It\'s all a myth to me.
I don\'t beleive in the ark either.
I beleive a lot of things in the bible but some things you can rule out with common sense.

One thing I hate are Christian elitests.
\"OMGOMGOMGIMRITEJooRWRONG!!!!11\"
If you know you\'re right, then shut up already and leave me alone. I like to think of myself as a Buddhist-Christian.

Random chance, god.. what does it matter? Thinking about something of this sort really won\'t do anyone any good. Nothing will be proven, and in the end nobody will have a greater understanding of life. I don\'t see why it matters how we got here when we\'ll never actually know; instead, it\'s more important that we are here, and it makes more sense to focus what we can do here and now.

Science doesn\'t prove that any religious beliefs are true.



The idea that people \"popped out of nowhere\" is just as valid as a higher power creating the universe. I don\'t see why so many people have a hard time accepting that we weren\'t created. It may seem outrageous but so is the idea that the universe was created.



Technically evolution hasn\'t been proven. We pretty much accept it as fact today but it\'s still a theory because we can\'t actually test it because it would take too long. Not saying I don\'t believe in it, however.

I\'d really like to know who taught you that science has proven God\'s existance.

Did I say you were wrong? No. I simply stated my own opinions. I\'m sorry that I forgot to ask you permission first.

You make my head hurt, Juno.

Here\'s a hint:

Dinosaurs :DDDDDD *boom*

My Bad X, didn\'t want to offend you.
You know I just love debate.

with what we know about creation, it could go either way.
the theroy of evolution was kinda shattard when they found DNA.
I mean, we can\'t screw a chimp and make a baby, cause we have different DNA, we\'re not monkeys, we were INVENTED.
So you know, it really could go either way.

Eh, I just misinterpereted the elitist thing as a shot towards me. No hard feelings though, right?

no no no not at you.
No hard feelings
*hugs and kisses*







>_>
<_<

Oh this is the kind of thing I\'ll jump in to head first then follow it with my feet.

Oh gosh where to start.

Got it

#1 that\'s a compelling argument, but still not enough to dissuade me.
#2 All right it would seem that you don\'t understand the process of natural selection. The wood pecker over millions of years has evolved and adapted many times over, just like any other animal we see today. you see the earth is several billions of years old, and in those billions of years many many creatures have come and gone...just as they will do in the future . The most successful animals will be the ones to live on and the not so successful ones will of course die out.

[quote]Originally posted by Juno
Pft, no way panku! Then how is it that it\'s still alive now? If evilution were true it would have had to divelop those thing slowly, and yah, there are alot of things that if ti were missing all wood peckers would die. There are many ways that evilution can\'t be true. Scince has proved that God does exist, and made everything. As for the \"Who made God\" jaz, no-one made God, you need to do your research before you get into a dibait with a christin about \"Creation or Evilution\" in the bible it says that God is the alpha and the omega, meaning he is the begining and the end. It also says that we can not understand that, (cause we are infierior to God) but we will when we enter the gates of hevin, cause we will be as God is, will know what he knows, etc. So

[Edited on 19-8-2005 by Juno] [/quote]

You say things in this like \"you need to do your research before you get into a dibait with a christin about \"Creation or Evilution\"\" but you are the one I think needs to get some information. So far I\'ve seen you say science has proven god exists...as a member of the science community in large I would love for you to tell me when in the heck that happened, because that\'s news to me. Also look to my face owning about natural selection if you still think you know a thing or two.
you also say \"the bible it says that God is the alpha and the omega, meaning he is the begining and the end. It also says that we can not understand that, (cause we are infierior to God)\" Well aint that just dandy, you see we are inferior to god because no one could come up with a good enough excuse to justify god. It\'s hard to understand how someone can put faith in a book written by people in an age when they thought the sun was taken across the sky in a chariot...I mean come on people do you not understand at that time, and even now, people fear death so much we have to look to false hope to ease our worry and anxiety.

And by the way Mega X.exe I aint got nothin but love for you and I\'m always open to debate with someone. so I don\'t want you to talke my comments as baskhing really just my view point

AAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!
NO! NOT A KIND OF TOPIC LIKE THIS! NOOOOOOO!!! I GET CONFUSED ALL DA TIME BECAUSE OF THESE KINDA THINGS!

Phew... relieving...

Y\'all know da story \'bout the Big Bang, righ\'?
That\'s when some higher force came in.
There exists a Multiverse, all dimensions, all universes, everything, is part of it.
Nobody will ever know how the Multiverse was created... Noone will ever know, or they\'ll have to forget it immediatly, because the knowledge is to much to handle, not even a being we call \'God\' would be capable of understanding...
When our part of the Multiverse was created, the \'Spirit of the Multiverse\', which was in all the other dimensions in all sorts of things, all living beings and their minds and souls,
that Spirit, put a part of itself, evergrowing, in our universe... It manifested itself in forms of \'divine beings\' or \'Gods\' as we call them. They made the universe to take shape, slowly transforming in the place we know today.
At a certain point, Life came in, and Evelution striked, forming forming small living things, micro-organisms, to live here and slowly, step by step, to be developed in more sofisticated and complicated forms of life... but Evelution cannot exist without sexuality...
When micro-organisms duplicate themselves, there are some things that can and will go wrong... that way males and females were formed...
Now that had happened, the higher evolved forms of life couldn\'t go on with existing without sexuality. Through sexuality, Evolution could more easily turn lifeforms into better lifeforms and slowly, millions after billions of years, the world became to know lifeforms known today as \'Humans\',
They were different from all the others, they might not even be real or actually a part from most of Multiverse,
they were, how can I say it best? Changing...
They could adapt themselves easily to many circumstances, they had real intelligence and speach, unlike the other species in this universe...


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\"We will never know what lies ahead, but the history might be even a greater mystery...\"
- Dirk van de Rijt

While I believe that evolution is easily proven by science, I also believe that humans did not simply evolve out of a lower species. I\'m sure other things may have reached their current state through evolution, but I\'m still going to take the Adam and Eve story.

But I really have to go to school, and therefore, I can\'t argue as much as I\'d like at the moment. Maybe later.

I believe in God.

Well, THAT\'S a short answer, look at my replie at the bottom of the first page... !!!

I know I read it I have a reading level of a Senior in college.

Senior level reading? WT...? Wad does dat mean? Sorry I\'m from overseas, anyway, my level of reading is the highest one where I live.