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Now... Mega Man and X are the sameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee GUY ok... same guy.. Dr. Thomas Xavier Light gave Mega Man a new body or even built over it, who knows.. hes the same character totally.. X is the improved and advanced Rock. Mega Man loses his memory due to brain damage after Dr. Cain released him, he slept for a long time like Zero had in 23XX (NOT 22XX) that is X7, X8, and finally Command Mission, 23XX is Zero Series... X is Mega Man just advanced... same robot. He just doesn\'t remember anything.. thats what makes him a new robot... BUT, factwise, if you REALLY think about it and see all the hints in the games.. u will know what im saying... it is plain obvious.. its called Mega Man \"X\" HE is Mega Man... factwise!

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There\'s no definite proof for or against this. Light may have named him \"Mega Man X\" because he\'s a new model, more improved and more cutting-edge. It\'s entirely possible that it\'s not the same guy.

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u don\'t need proof... its plain obvious that he is megaman just improved.. hes not a totally different robot.. thats not possible.. Light wanted megaman to continue his heroism.. so he made him a reploid.. i don\'t think he built a totally different a new robot... thats just not point in building a whole new one... megaman was hos top notch so he improved him..

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Even though I do believe that X and MegaMan are the same \'person\', like Mety said, it\'s possible that they\'re not. Again, there is no real proof that they are, but then again there is no proof they are not.


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I dont think they are the same I mean maybeDOC.light just made x.


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The X series ostensively takes place in the future of the original series. But just who is X? Believe it or not, we don’t officially know, because Capcom has never said.

It is in my opinion—though I could be wrong—that X is not Mega Man or any other robot in existence, but instead a totally new and original creation, built from scratch. Why? Well, think of it this way. We already know that this is the case with Zero—Zero can’t be a rebuilt Proto Man, Bass, or any other character currently existing in the Mega Man series (up to and including Mega Man 8) because Dr. Wily has been building Zero since the Power Battle (which occurs just after Mega Man 7). Now, here’s the key—if Zero is indeed copied off plans of Dr. Light’s, then X as well must already exist or Dr. Wily would have no plans to copy. So this rules out Mega Man being X just as it rules out anyone being Zero. Of course, if Zero has no relation to X, then X’s identity is still under debate; however, it does make you wonder why Zero and X are so similar. I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see.

Plot Holes

On related note, I find it curious that there’s almost no mention of the original series in the X series. Oh, you hear about Dr. Light and Dr. Wily, but ever notice that none of the characters in the X series ever mention anyone else? You’d think if the X series was the future of the original, then Mega Man and Dr. Wily at least would have made a mark on history. You’d think people would wonder about the fact that Mega Man X is incredibly similar to Mega Man (even going so far as to share the same name and the same creator). You’d think people would talk about the previous Wily wars and why no one learned from their past mistakes.

But curiously, no mention of any of these is made in the X series. We see mentions of Dr. Light and Dr. Wily, but it’s as if Mega Man himself never lived. And it’s as if Dr. Wily never once tried to take over the world. As if none of that had ever happened. You suppose everyone on the planet has hideous, global amnesia?

This almost leads to the conclusion that the X series isn’t really the future of the original at all, even though that’s clearly what Capcom intended. Look at it from another angle. Dr. Light wrote on X’s capsule that X was capable of thinking and feeling emotions and such...yet all of the robots in the original series have been able to do that since at least by the time of Mega Man 8 or so, probably earlier. Just take a look at any number of Capcom’s more recent games, such as Battle & Chase or Super Adventure. Heck, even the Mets in Super Adventure seem to have thoughts and emotions.

So if all of the robots in Dr. Light’s time could do that anyway, why would Dr. Light write that on X’s capsule like it was some new and unusual thing? The only explanation that fits is that those robots didn’t exist in the X series, and that X was Dr. Light’s first truly great creation...which would mean that Dr. Light never made Mega Man in the X series time line. Which would mean the X series isn’t really the future of the original at all.

Oh, I’m fully aware that Capcom meant for the X series to be the future of the original. But they’ve certainly filled that plot with plenty of holes, to the point where it doesn’t really work from a logical standpoint. Oh well.

Common Knowledge

As another side note, I wanted to take a moment to address the prevailing theory regarding this. I am in fact fully aware of it, because it is so common as to have become basically the “de facto” theory that everyone spouts. That being, that Zero destroys all of the original series robots, and thus ushers in the X series. No offense, but I just don’t buy this. Zero is cool and all, but he is simply not that powerful. I mean, he can be defeated by X, for crying out loud, and X is a pansy. He also is the weakest player character in any of the X games due to his lack of a decent long-ranged weapon and no defense to speak of. (Not counting the Zero games here, where he is the only player character, because they take place 100 years later and thus don’t factor into the equation.) Why do you think Zero is the most difficult character to play in X series games, even if he tends to be the most fun? Without using a secret code to activate his hidden black armor, he dies to just about anything far too quickly. X himself starts out pathetically weak until he gets his enhancements, and Zero’s only enhancement is a black form that isn’t even obtainable in most cases without using a code, so we can assume he doesn’t normally have it. There is just no way Zero would be able to single-handedly take on Mega Man, Bass, and Proto Man—not to mention all of their helpers and sidekicks such as Duo, Roll, Rush, Treble, Beat, Eddie, Tango, etc., etc.—and win.

But putting aside all of that, I just wanted to mention this if only so that people would know they can stop mailing me about it. Whether it comes to pass or not, it’s not news, and I’ve heard it all before. No offense.

The other, related theory is that Mega Man 9 “must” end the original series. There’s really no reason why this would have to be; people just say that because 9 is such a convenient number considering the fact that “X” is the Roman numeral for 10 (even though “Mega Man X” is not and never was “Mega Man 10”). Still, this is a decision only Capcom can make, and first they have to come to the decision to even make a Mega Man 9 at all...

Conclusions

So the end result is that we don’t really know who X actually is, as Capcom hasn’t said. Eventually they will probably have to do so in some way, and maybe Capcom will use the most prevailing theory if only because it’s so common. But we won’t know for sure one way or another until they actually do it.

So for now, we know that X was created by a Dr. Thomas Light, but Capcom has never said what relation (if any) X has to Mega Man. Likewise, Zero was created by a Dr. Wily—or is that Dr. Weil? But that’s about all that can be extracted from the games. The rest, for now, falls into the realm of fan fiction.

Postscript

On a complete side note, have you ever noticed that X and Zero have never taken their helmets off in Capcom’s works? Being Dr. Light’s creation, I assume X could take his helmet off (since Mega Man can), but I don’t really see why Dr. Wily would bother giving Zero hair and all of that considering Zero was probably built to be a war machine. But then, he gave him that ponytail attached to the back of his helmet which seems to serve no purpose, so maybe Wily is just plain eccentric.



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woah calm down man... its just what i believe.. and i might be in denial about it, but.. I DON\'T actually know.. its just I strongly believe Mega Man X is Mega Man just improved.. just a belief.. some people believe what i do and some don\'t... im not putting anyone down...

Remember: there are many kinds of Mega Man fans that believe all kinds of things...

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u don\'t need proof... its plain obvious that he is megaman just improved.. hes not a totally different robot.. thats not possible.. Light wanted megaman to continue his heroism.. so he made him a reploid.. i don\'t think he built a totally different a new robot... thats just not point in building a whole new one... megaman was hos top notch so he improved him..


Your reasoning is flawed right there: X is not a reploid. By definition, a reploid is a robot based on X\'s design. X isn\'t based on himself, he IS himself!


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u don\'t need proof... its plain obvious that he is megaman just improved.. hes not a totally different robot.. thats not possible.. Light wanted megaman to continue his heroism.. so he made him a reploid.. i don\'t think he built a totally different a new robot... thats just not point in building a whole new one... megaman was hos top notch so he improved him..


Your reasoning is flawed right there: X is not a reploid. By definition, a reploid is a robot based on X\'s design. X isn\'t based on himself, he IS himself!


So what would you call X? In my opinion, he\'s the first Reploid. Everyone else was based on his creation, yes, and they\'re all based on the same design, so wouldn\'t he also be a Reploid?


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.......X is the first actual Reploid that was used to create the race......... I don\'t need to say anything else if you say hes not a Reploid... I don\'t even have to comment on that.. He is a Reploid.. He was the first new generation of robot that was used later on to create the entire race of \"Reploids\" X is the real Reploid, everyone else is like a syndicate of the original X... thats why the original X never became a maverick... Maybe Zero was not a Reploid.. He was reprogrammed into one after Cain repaired him.

[Edited on 3-3-2006 by The_Red_Maverick]

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X is not a Reploid. The definition of a Reploid is that it was a robot based off X\'s design.

Zero isn\'t one either, for that matter.

And X and Megaman aren\'t the same person, confirmed by Inafune himself.

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Okay, here\'s what I got

1) X was created by Doctor Light
2) X was sealed away for 30 years of ethical testing.
4)X was lost due to the Cataclysm
3)Cain awakened X and from X created the Reploids.

X himself is the basis for the Reploids yes. But when Light created him he created him as a human robot, not a reploid.

Cain based the Reploids off X and gave those, if you will, \"copies\" a title, calling them Reploids. Because of how X was capable of ethical and human thinking Cain adopted this and created robot humans, the Reploids

The original MegaMan, Roll, ProtoMan etc were killed in the Cataclysm. Unless Capcom decides to say otherwise that is.

Now, if the original MegaMan and X are one in the same, then there would be no need to seal him away for ethical testing as MM was already very human.

The only other reason for sealing him away would be to protect him from the Cataclysm, which was supposedly caused by Zero.

This is all of course, speculation as Capcom has yet to announce anything and they may never will.

Oh yeah, despite what I\'ve just done, I agree with Sage. This topic needs to be put to rest.


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All these are, are just opinions... I\'m just trying to make sense of them... trying my best not to sound opinionated.. Noone actually knows the facts.. and when someone else comes along.. and tells you, you will always find something to say no matter if im 100% certain about it. Opinions, thats all I see here.. NO FACTS... not one... I honestly don\'t care anymore.. I only speak truthwise. Because look, everyone here speaks off of other peoples un-educated opinions.. who the heck actually knows something here. like if I brought a friend.. he would do the same thing im doing, but he would probably be alot smarter than me and not bother in arguing, theres no point.

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The creator of Mega Man himself said that Mega Man and X weren\'t the same person. This isn\'t an opinion, it\'s official info.


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You can\'t really make him the same guy, he\'s a robot! unless Light like took mm memory chip and put it in X

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You sure do like using periods, don\'t you?

I feel like I\'m reading a Social Studies DBQ excerpt.

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Light did build a new body for him... if so, ok fine.. the creator states that he isn\'t megaman but!!! he isnt megaman anymore, technically HE IS... what don\'t you get? thats what I would like to know. He may not be the same person anymore but technically he is. Inafune says they aren\'t the same, I know that, but technically they are the same. if you think deeper about it.

Same brain, different personally... SAME GUY, just changed.. so he is not the same person ANYMORE...

[Edited on 3-3-2006 by The_Red_Maverick]

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You keep flip-flopping, saying it\'s your opinion and then saying it\'s completely obvious. Inafune said they aren\'t the same, no-holds barred. Don\'t bring up any technicalities.

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im not, im just explaining how it is... He isn\'t the same anymore.. but technically he IS the same, all im saying..

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The original MegaMan, Roll, ProtoMan etc were killed in the Cataclysm. Unless Capcom decides to say otherwise that is.

Now, if the original MegaMan and X are one in the same, then there would be no need to seal him away for ethical testing as MM was already very human.

The only other reason for sealing him away would be to protect him from the Cataclysm, which was supposedly caused by Zero.

This is all of course, speculation as Capcom has yet to announce anything and they may never will.


Wrong. Despite many people\'s arguements, the Cataclysm theory does not happen. Zero does NOT go on a murderous rampage and kills all the classic crew.

Maverick Hunter X (and Inafune has said this is the new canon, not that it effects much save for one easily replaceable character so far) shows Dr Light working on X for a long time. X himself has conversed with the doctor on three separate, and each one Dr. Light\'s age and health have drastically changed. In the first flashback, which has only a portion of his body finished. Light is portrayed as the guy we already know. The next one has X with more body, but Dr. Light on the other hand has a more ragged voice, coughing and a more aged face. The third meeting, when X is finished has Dr Light looking extremely thin compared to when he first started on X, his voice is completely haggard and he has a harsh cough.
Light discusses with X that he is a new type of robot that is capable of closing the gap between man and machine. But he fears that the world is not yet ready for X, and feels that it is best that he sleeps for the next 30 years (whilst those ethical tests are running), when humanity will have matured some. X also says that he believes in Dr. Light\'s dream and will fight to protect the future. Light smiles and says goodbye to X as he seals him up, and damn that scene is heart wrenching.
Zero is also sealed at this time, programmed to seek out and destroy Light\'s newest robot, but as we all know, he\'s disabled by Sigma before that.

Also note, that Maverick Hunter X also drives a nail into the Megaman = X arguement with simple logic. Given that it takes Light so long to build X, do you honestly think that he\'d take Megaman offline for that amount of time, just to upgrade, when there\'s always danger around? Especially when this upgrade has a mind of his own? (and if this was the original Megaman, they would have his voice actor from Powered Up doing a more grown up voice, given Blue Studio\'s lack of voice range) Light also refers to him as X, not Megaman during all of their conversations.

And to top it all. Inafune has said Megaman and X are NOT the same person, mentally, physically, not in any way! The only relation they have is the name Megaman, and guess what? Almost everyone calls him X! Does this make Trigger the original Megaman? Hell no! Vent or Aile? No, not really since they are human, but they\'ll bear the name Megaman anyway. After the Classic series, the name Megaman is more of a title than a persona.

As to the Reploid thing, X and Zero are not Reploids. However, due to the mass populous and that only a few people know that they\'re originals, they\'re are simply called Reploids as part of the species. It\'s how most people call Spiders insects when they\'re technically not. (Arachnae if I recall correctly are a different specie than insects.)

EDIT: Said scene (Credit goes to MMN):

The scene zooms in on
them, and X experiences a series of flashbacks of his creation. The scene shows
X, only his torso completed, lying on a table with various wires connected to
devices in the room.]
DR. LIGHT: ...X. X. X!
[X\'s eyes flutter open, and he focuses on DR. LIGHT standing over him.]
X: Who are you?
DR. LIGHT: It is I, Thomas Light. I created you, X.
X: X... You called me... X. Is that my name?
[X\'s eyes fade as his power source is deactivated, but DR. LIGHT continues to
speak.]
DR. LIGHT: That\'s right. It\'s a variable. It represents limitless potential. You
see, you are a new type of robot who can think for himself.
[The scene fades to another flashback, some time later. X is nearly completed,
and DR. LIGHT has aged noticeably.]
DR. LIGHT: Hmmm...
X: What\'s the matter, Doctor? You look tired.
DR. LIGHT: You truly are just like us humans, X. Ahh...
[DR. LIGHT coughs.]
DR. LIGHT: That\'s why I\'m afraid that mankind is not quite ready to accept you.
[X\'s eyes widen.]
DR. LIGHT: We are not yet mature. They may very well view your limitless evo-
lutionary potential as something to be feared. The name \"X\" also carries
connotations of danger.
[X flickers out of consciousness, and the scene fades to another flashback,
after X is completed. Once again, DR. LIGHT looks much older.]
DR. LIGHT: I\'m sorry, X. I didn\'t have enough time to see you enter the world.
X: Dr. Light...
DR. LIGHT: I\'ve given you the power to think, to worry, and to grow, and evolve
as you fight. But... it is too soon for that power to be unleashed.
X: Doctor! I\'ll use this power to fight for justice! To fight for hope!
DR. LIGHT: Of course you will. I believe it to be so. X... I want you to use
that conscience of yours to fight for the people of the future. They will need
someone like you to guide them.
[DR. LIGHT keys some controls on the capsule surrounding X, and the glass begins
to cycle closed.]
X: Doctor!
[Once the capsule has sealed, DR. LIGHT peers in through the viewport in the
top.]
DR. LIGHT: Farewell, X. You are the world\'s one true hope...

[Edited on 4-3-2006 by Jigoku_Neko]


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Holy sh**, you\'re BACK!? And you POSTED, nonetheless! XD

Ah, well. That sorta puts things at a win/lose situation for me. On the uphand, I can rest easy knowing Zero isn\'t some sabre/trigger happy kill-all badass dudes the fans are bragging about him being, and yet with X not being MegaMan, I\'m still left in the dark as to what\'s happened with all of them...

Hmm, Guess that means the good and bad cancel each other out, and I\'m back to square one.


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In the American TV show, X talked to Megaman. Case closed.:cool:


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In the American TV show, X talked to Megaman. Case closed.:cool:

The American TV show isn\'t cannon, so it doesn\'t really have any meaning...


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Oh thank god, the \"Cataclysm\" theory is finally brutally murdered by Capcom.

I don\'t say this often but, thank you Capcom.

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Meh, I liked the Cataclysm theory. Anyway, I think Capcom\'s being screwing up their plots since X5.

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Meh, I liked the Cataclysm theory. Anyway, I think Capcom\'s being screwing up their plots since X5.


Yeah, I think they know that too, hence the MHX games. Aside from Inafune training the current X team (reports say he was not impressed with X7 and X8) in how to make a Megaman X game good, this is his chance to retcon the plot and do all the things he couldn\'t do before, hence why he\'s considering MHX the new canon in place of the originals.


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Every time 777 says \"case closed\", God kills a kitten... please... think of the kitten.. and using a LOGICAL ARGUMENT. Same to you, red! Way to provide some evidence! That\'s like saying \"Dante, Vash, and Vincent have basically the same outfit, so, they\'re the same person\". It\'s rediculous. ALSO... Jigoku wins the thread!


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Every time 777 says \"case closed\", God kills a kitten... please... think of the kitten.. and using a LOGICAL ARGUMENT. Same to you, red! Way to provide some evidence! That\'s like saying \"Dante, Vash, and Vincent have basically the same outfit, so, they\'re the same person\". It\'s rediculous. ALSO... Jigoku wins the thread!
Go find some screenshots at Ciel-Network. Go ahead. Go fetch.


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Every time 777 says \"case closed\", God kills a kitten... please... think of the kitten.. and using a LOGICAL ARGUMENT. Same to you, red! Way to provide some evidence! That\'s like saying \"Dante, Vash, and Vincent have basically the same outfit, so, they\'re the same person\". It\'s rediculous. ALSO... Jigoku wins the thread!
Go find some screenshots at Ciel-Network. Go ahead. Go fetch.

I\'m not your frickin dog... or anyone else\'s.

[Edited on 5-3-2006 by Shadowfire]


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