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Well a few weeks ago I'm sure everyone noticed me digging into Shadowfire and Rioni (and to a lesser extent Silverfox) on a picture of Shadowfires.

PMs were sent and I appreciate that but I'll just post this here because it's easier, plus it's good for Doc to be let in on it eh?

You can post to agree or disagree or whatever, it's good to talk things over but no flames is good.

- 1. The oekaki is becoming like a clique.

I've noticed more and more that alot of people are either not commenting on others works, or just commenting on their friends works, or just sticking to drawing and not commenting at all. Now I'm not saying we should all comment on everything, that would be too ideal. I'm just saying that perhaps we should broaden our horizons?
I know people are busy as well, I mean so am I. But at least that's a valid excuse, there's alot of regulars there that just don't comment much on anything. It's kind of disheartening. We're a pretty open community when it comes to critiques and all as well, so I don't really see a good excuse not to comment on someones art.


- 2. N00b hunting season.

There's nothing more annoying than someone joining the oekaki and not knowing what Megaman is, yes. It makes one seethe. Kinda. But I even see n00bs that DO draw something Megaman related, get attacked. I don't want to see them coddled, no. But we have to give them a chance, do we not?

To quote Barry from Resident Evil: Just take a look at this!

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WorenX's first pic compared to a more recent one.

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UX.

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Myself.

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Rioni.

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And lastly, the lovely Necro.

My point of course being WE ALL SUCKED. WE. ALL. SUCKED. when we started oekaki..hell WE STILL AREN'T THAT GREAT. Who are we to berate n00bs who drew like we used to? We weren't berated for our mediocre drawings. And of course, back then the drawings WEREN'T mediocre to us. I just think instead of "read the rules" we could be a little more..inviting? Especially to those that even know what the hell Megaman is. The board is slow as usual and we need new blood, we don't need to chase them all away.


- 3. "Hollow you're a meanie doo head"

No I'm not, I care about the oekaki. :lol:

That's all I can remember for now, but yeah, a few people have left because of this clique feel and it sucks and it would be nice if it stopped. I'm sure some of you have already started to head in the right direction from some of the PMs I've gotten, but yeah..this is addressing everyone, just easier than PMing every person on the oekaki board. :lol:


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Good points all around, Hollow.


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Who are we to berate n00bs who drew like we used to? We weren't berated for our mediocre drawings. And of course, back then the drawings WEREN'T mediocre to us.


The thing here is that some people "grew up" along withthe board. Now that they are more "mature", the average art level has obviously risen. HOWEVER, any online community includes people who leave while fresh blood comes in. Those new people can't obviously start at the same level as everyone else, yet some people seem to think that they should instantly reach some arbitrary quality standard. I think I've been pretty fair on that point, but I'll agree that not everyone has been this easy on the newcomers.


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The board is slow as usual and we need new blood, we don't need to chase them all away.


On that point, I'm counting on the new features (resume, animations, and so on) to bring some former regulars back while also catching the attention of potential newcomers. Spread the word, people! I'm sure that some artists are just waiting to hear about it to come and draw once again with us.


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My point of course being WE ALL SUCKED. WE. ALL. SUCKED.


And my "art" still does! :P


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THAT COUNTS AS BERATEMENT, SORT OF. :lol:

Shame on you, UX, for stifling my creative ability!

But looking back, Heatman was pretty darn nice to me.

Edited by Mr.Mettaur on September 23, 2007 at 23:02:36.

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Yeah, but Heat is awesome.

Another thing..you decided to pick one of the worst times to sign up at a board that had been recently attacked with Metool pictures with the name "Mr. Mettaur". :lol:

We all probably thought you were Ye-We-Shall-Not-Name.

And yeah Doc, I just don't think people realize that we need to be a little more forgiving, not everyone can draw amazingly well on their first trips to an oekaki, or such.

If psycho gurl comes back though, I think some bad things will happen


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I thought I'd still been doing good on keeping up with the commenting, though. =/ (I know, I'm not everyone.) And I've always tried not to bite into the new people too bad unless they're mouthy... Have I really been that bad? o.o *worried*

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For the most part, I haven't left very many comments as of late due to being extremely busy right now. >_<

I'm in process of moving out which is leaving me barely with any time to be comment, but I'm always there, waaaaaaatching you draw~~


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There's several people at the oekaki who haven't really been all that kind towards the new people. Not really going to name anyone because honestly, I'm too lazy to go check just who all has done this and to what degree they have. ;o

I find it slightly troubling. Like Hollow has stated, pretty much all of the current members at the oekaki who submit drawings considered to be "quality" pictures weren't very good when they began using the applet. And like Doc has commented on, we've all kinda grown and what we expect of each other has grown as well. I don't think it's fair to hold the new crop of people who join to this arbitrary standard. Some of them may be better or worse than we were when we began. In time they probably will improve if they keep at it.

I can understand it can be frustrating to see a new member come in and post something that you might think they haven't really put much effort into. Especially so, if they come and draw several pictures and push down something you put alot of hard work into. However, effort alone will not make up for the lack of ability and knowledge they possess. They could spend hours on the applet trying harder to make the picture look better but if they don't know what they're doing it'll be fruitless. Telling someone to try harder or that they're not putting enough effort into the picture is pointless. Instead why not try to give them a helping hand and tell them what they can do to improve their abilities?

Personally, I don't like commenting on someone's picture unless I actually have something constructive to say, or if I really like it and want the artist to know that I do. People do things on the oekaki that I don't like but I don't feel it's my place to try and keep people in line. Doc, Kia and Rioni can take care of that.

There are exceptions like coolperson who didn't even know what Megaman is but at the same time, I don't see what the point of lynching someone just because of that. Like I previously said, Doc, Kia and Rioni can take care of that.