[font=BankGothic Lt BT]I\'ve been working at the Boys and Girls Club down here for about 2 years voluntarily, and this year I\'ll get paid for the work. I\'ve noticed that in all the time that I\'ve been in the club, that kids are becoming more and more bold and using more...colourful...language. Eight year olds, even!

When I was a kid, I got a hearty smack on the side of my face if I happened to step out of line. It\'s not so with the kids of today- more and more often I\'m seeing child abuse cases where the kids win more often than not. Maybe the parents of said children are scared of the consequences of \"child abuse\"?

I honestly think these little buggers should be put in some sort of order rather than the social heierarchy they have over the rest of the adult population.

And another thing that bugs me is that kids don\'t read anymore! Whatever happened to reading a kid a bedtime story before they nodded off to sleep? How about a nice copy of Dr. Seuss\' Green Eggs and Ham to curl up to when you\'re five and can\'t sleep?

It saddens me to say that most kids don\'t flipping care when it comes to reading- they want their utterly STUPID cartoon shows with no morals or any kind of storyline. They should watch Rocky and Bullwinkle or Underdog instead of this Spongebob Squarepants crap you\'ve on the television now.

We should have a manditory day where kids shut that crap OFF and read a good book for a change. We need more Einstiens in the world today; we don\'t need more Dubyas.[/font]

Well, I agree with you on most areas. There are educational cartoons, but adults just don\'t show them. Reading a book is a good idea, but actually, the net can work as a good substitute if you attend things like.. say, a forum.

The language is clearly getting worse. Of coure, the trash talk is picked up from older people who should be mature enough to watch their mouths.

Bu one thing I have noticed recantly, is that Kids are getting greedyer. Of course, I\'m not a pairent and this condition might have been this bad for a long time, but I\'ll use an example:

I was at a toyshop with my little brother about a year back, while he was running around a man and his son came in. The kid was dragging his father everywere and suddenly stopped when he noticed a HUGE plastic tractor on the top shelf.

After his father had told him it was too expensive the kid sat right down on the floor screaming. After doing so for about 3 minutes, his father actually bought the damn thing.

Now this made me think of two causes, one: Self centered kid. And two: Bad pairents in the sence that they gave in.

If I had done something like that at that age, I would have been left there and picked up on the way back to the car.

There is always someone to blame for things like this, but kids get their views directly from their closest.

Colorful language is only taught to children from older folks, of course. And when their mothers give a reaction after they say \'shit\' or whatever..they keep doing it for the reaction. Of course the parents don\'t usually discipline their kids right.. You\'ve seen me use \'colorful\' language plenty on the boards and chat, but I\'ve never uttered a word of it infront of my parents. Unless my dad does it, then I repeat it and say \"Mom, dad is being a bad influence\"

Well, a smack in the face isn\'t exactly smart to do in this day and age. If someone saw you doing that to your kid, there\'s a GREAT possibility that you\'ll get child services after your ass. And if they come to your house, and the dishes are dirty, there\'s toys all over the floor, the children have bruises or marks on them, the place hasn\'t been vacuumed etc..they could take your children away from you. =P

Kids don\'t read because of videogames. Why bother using your imagination and reading a book, when videogames will think for you?

I personally have no beef with Spongebob, but I am a fan, so.. Spongebob teaches lessons in his own way, like the episode \"Sailor Mouth\" where Sponge reads \'colorful\' language on the side of a dumpster, and uses it in daily chat. \"How the *beep* you doin\', Squidward?\" Eventually Mr. Krabs forbids him to do it, tells him it\'s bad, etc.

And there\'s another, entitled \"Hooked\" I think.. Patrick (the dumb starfish) finds hooks, and thinks they\'re amusement rides. He gets on the hooks, rides them up for abit, then jumps off. Mr. Krabs tells him that it\'s dangerous..but Pat doesn\'t believe him. He gets Sponge to try, and they both like riding the hooks..so they keep doing it. Eventually Pat gets put in a can of tuna, and Sponge gets his pants ripped off. So Mr Krabs was right all along!

The kids of today are annoying, greedy, selfish and immature. Well, of course their immature, their kids! I think it also depends on the parents, if they don\'t know a damn thing about child raising, their gonna have one messed up kid. Parents that are like that just give up on fighting with their own kids and let them have their ways. But if that\'s how they were raised, if they can act that way and get away with it all the time just think about what they\'ll grow up into once theirs nobody else to take their crap except the law. A badass, that\'s what.

I think the kids today don\'t appreciate anything that is done for them, namely by their parents. If they could only get an image of what life would be like without all that has been brought to them. I think they\'d be real sorry if it was all taken away from them. It\'s gotten to the point where the child is the boss of the parent. Because of all of these child\'s rights crap, they can run ramped all around and cause trouble and still get away with their troubles. They could get away with murder for god\'s sake. Their excuse could be \" They\'ve had a bad childhood.\" What is a parent to do? Kids are too stubbron to see things anyone else\'s way so they just worry about what\'s best for them.

The parents have the right to restrain their child if they act out of place even in the public. Even if it\'s with force. What Snakeman said, about that kid crying his head off about the play truck, the parent could have physically moved him out of the store kicking and screaming if he had to. A parent is allowed to do so if a child isn\'t being content about how things can\'t always go their way, the parent has the right to \'put them in their place\' by any means neccesary. I don\'t mean beatin\' the b\'jesus out of the kid until he passes out and drag him out by his ankels. Problem with that is, you\'d be charged with child abuse. And with the way our society runs today, if you just picked the kid up out of the store you\'d still be charged on the same account. It\'s those damn hypocrits. They don\'t see their being any reason as to why a parent would pick their kid up out of the store, they don\'t see the point. All they see is abuse. Everything is abuse.

Kids have to know where their loyalties lay because if they don\'t, they\'ll worship only themselves and those who are under their influence. And most of the people kids look up to aren\'t always the best apples in the bunch.

And if there\'s anything worst then annoying kids, it\'s badass teenagers that do drugs, get in fights, break other\'s property etc.

A couple of weeks ago, my friend and I were jumped by a gang of teenagers. We we\'re just walking home from the candy store and one of them approached me from behind and punched me in the head a couple of times for no reason at all. I didn\'t even know them and they didn\'t even know me. What was I to do? Two other guys were right with him the whole time and about 20 people were behind them. I did what every man should do in such a case but never really wants to: I ran my ass off. In fights, it\'s not always about how much damage you inflict to your enemy, it\'s how much you can get away with. Of course them, being the \'big cool gang\' would never think to approach anyone if they were less in numbers. Anyways, after me and my friend got home, we called the cops, took \'em about a half hour to get their asses over to my house. By the time they got there, the gang was gone from their hangout, naturally, so I just had to bite the bullet and put up with more bullshit I didn\'t want to ever be involved in.

This is what those greedy kids grow up into. But I do not worry because one day justice will get the best of them. Too bad they didn\'t learn this earlier in life.

You guys are right about kids today using too much \"colorful\" language. I know a kid who\'s seven now who was cursing when he was two! No joke!

A couple years later, a friend and I refused to play with the kid. What did he do? Picked up a hammer and chased us. My friedn and I went into another room and locked the door thinking \"what can he do?\" The kid then hit the hammer against the door and drove it halfway through!

Of course, it\'s not just the kids fault. The parents have a role in a child\'s bad behaviour, too. In fact, recently, the cursing, hammer-wielding kid was allowed to watch Freddy vs. Jason by his parents, and those who have seen it know it\'s not in the least meant for kids!

On a final note, let me give an example of what greedy kids of today do. The same kid mentioned before will cry if another kid who\'s with him gets a toy or something when he doesn\'t, even if the other kid buys it himself. He\'ll even cry if he walks out of store without a new toy and no one else got anything either!

Well, if there is ANY exeption, it\'s me. I don\'t get greedy. I don\'t scream. I am WELL balanced, and it all came from me being the least favorite in the family, by my dad. Heh, all those groundations, I don\'t make mistakes twice. Here is a WELL balanced day for me:

-Check interordi
-Play lots of video games
-play outside
-Read (fanfictions)
-Draw

That is a balaned day, because I do some of everything. Now, at age 10, I was allowed to watch Austin Powers, \'cuz my dad didn\'t give a damn. Doesn\'t matter, because I\'m not stupid enough to repeat what I see on Jack Ass! My younger brother, is spoiled, and is a goodie goodie.
Example:

-Looks for the tiniest things I do wrong, and tattles
-Throws a shit fit if I say something he doesn\'t like
-Throws a fit if I get him the wrong kind of juice, ect.

-Now, he will startle me, and laugh. I will startle him, and he will throw a fit.

Yeah, he is 11, or 12, I forgot. (I don\'t care either:P) Now, in a spoiler.....

So, lesson for today:

Be like me! Healthy, balanced, and just cool!:lol:

THESE KIDS THESE DAYS, NO RESPECT FOR THEIR ELDERS. ..GET OFF MY LAWN TIMMY. YOU SMELL LIKE POOP.
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Personaly I consider cursing is no deal unless its used to insult someone, and if parents don\'t want their kids swearing, they need to punish them, not just tell them off. (sitting your kid in the sitting room while you watch discovery won\'t kill them.. don\'t send them to their room, theres toys there damnit.)
The greed, is simple. Ignore the git, they\'ll shut up sooner or later.
Kids should be taught to fight and taught not to use it on others unless its in defence. (I know its not needed, but if Timmy could fight back maybe the bad man wouldn\'t have \"touched\" him so easy)
Books, kids need to friggen read.. seriously. Even decent comics will be good. (not the stupid lil \"funfunfunWHEEIhitWithHammerinheadBOINK\" stuff though)
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In all, Kids these day are idjits, so smack them upside the head.
(yaaaaaay... same basic thing as the other posts )

Shut up!I\'m still a kid, 15 and younger division:madgo::madgo::madgo::madgo::madgo::madgo:So shut up!:madgo::madgo::muha::devil:GOT IT!

I love how the first good discussion to come along in a while go\'s SPAM. Thanks loser.;D

Anyway, yeah. I think that kids really are WAY to bold now. I think it\'s just like you guys said. Child Services. Parents are scared that their kids will get taken away, so they keep quite, while their kids run about talking smack and running things.

How do we keep this from happening? Easy. Us \"Big Kids\" just need to give these kids that are out of line a little kicking around every now and again. I mean, if the parents can\'t do it, who will? We won\'t get child service called on us, and the parents are silently thanking us. Well...some of them are. The soccer moms will still keep B****in, but who cares?:rolleyes:

If we don\'t put these toddlers in their place, they\'ll be running the moffia before they hit puberty.:lol:

Look, They chose me by accident OK? Let it go!

Seriously, I blame this on the communists. Everything\'s their fault

Splike is both one of the little pricks we\'ve been mentioning, and what not to be idealistically! Yay!

True. Look, here is how the timeline went....

CaveMen=Dumb
Our Grandfather=Very Decent
Our Parents=Very Decent
Us=Balanced
Kids Of Today=spoiled lil whiny friggin lamers!

Here is why. The damn communists took the paddle out of school! \"Oh, it\'s too violent\" The teachers now are too afraid. All the do is say, \"Jimmy, stop that. It\'s not nice. Jimmy, please stop that. Jimmy, be good.\" Now, is Jimmy gonna stop? I think not!

Variable has a great family. I envy him for that. All kids in that family are taught to be good, and are punished if their not...

It\'s ok to fool around. Just don\'t go too far, ok?

If I\'m almost 14, would I fit in \"us\" or \"kids of today\"?

Your all right about kids of today. My friends brothers are always swearing,beating each other up and making a mess.
I get bitched at if something really crappy has happened and I accidentaly say \'shit\'

Oh and by the way Mega X.exe, if your not an unruly brat then your counted as \'us\'

[font=BankGothic Lt BT]Well, that\'s because we\'re supposed to be setting AN EXAMPLE. They think that they copy whatever we say. Like the little shits\'ll listen to us anyways, right?

The only way they would is to threaten them or to take something away from them. Verbal abuse isn\'t all too serious of a crime, so that\'s pretty much still an OK thing as long as it\'s not on a constant basis. And even if you do take something away from them, they always have a backup...you really can\'t win with \'em.[/font]

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Kids today just seemed to idiots. They just run around cussin\', spittin\', fightin\'. Wheres the culture? I have an answer....... discipline. When i was a 5 year old and i wouldn\'t shud-up, my mom wouldn\'t think twice to pull over the car and give me a nice, motherly spankin\'.

I could see how parents could be scared that child services could slap the cuffs on, BUT, if i knew my kid was gunna become stupid if i didn\'t do something, God knows i would pop that kid in the back of the head everytime he did something a kid shouldn\'t be doing. You know im not talking about abuse, but a good smack in the back of the head can do a kid wonders in life.

When i was a kid i was running around like and idiot, not knowing about the world, playing docter and all that other stupid kid crap. \"Ignorance is bliss\".
Kids these days are pimping ho\'s and trying to get an 18 year old to buy a pack of ciggaretes for them in the 3rd grade.

My mom and dad never did care what i watched or what listened to. All they cared about is what i did. Alright i might cuss, and i might do things my parents would frown upon, but God knows i would never pull that shit around them. But these kids, these little friggin bossy, snappy, punk smart asses. They think that there is never a proper time and place for things. (this is a general statment of coarse) \"If you want to, do it.\" Seems to be the philosophy these days. If they got a nice ear pulling everytime they said certain unnessicary words, they wouldn\'t throw them words around like they were nothing.

The Television shows i dont have a problem with. Neigther the music, but I do think that reading should be enforced a little more in school. I still read kinda occasionaly when boredom strikes, or just when i find a good book. ( Currently reading The Maltese Falcon every time i vist the bookstore.) Still, i don\'t read that often, but still to all those kids that say you dont learn a god damn thing from reading a story. Look at Phatman for christ sakes! You kids should go out and culture yourselves......

Yours had more to do with Goth Wannabes.

Oh, at my school, they picked 2 books through the whole year, that we HAS to read, AND read 5 other books in each quarter! The books they made us read were B O R I N G! Across 5 Aprils, what do I care what happened in the past? I\'m too busy running my own life here!

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Uh... I\'m like 14...
Anyhow, the big problem is that it doesn\'t do any good to just SAY how bad kids today are. I was listening to some people on this board sitting with a mental picture of a guy with no hair telling kids to get off his lawn. The problem is that since everyone feels this way who\'s not a kid, the message becomes canned and doesn\'t hold an impact. Most of my friends have been brought up well, listen to their parents (if reluctantly), such like that. But sometimes (especially at public schools), I see kids who have no respect for anyone. It would be easy to say \"besides themselves\", but I wonder if even that crosses the line.
Another thing is, sometimes parents are to blame for it. But there\'s little other parents can do to help. When they talk to other parents whose children misbehave, it seems like they\'re trying to raise the other parents\' kids.
It\'s kinda a hard situation. I won\'t pretend I know what to do, since I\'m just a kid myself. But rushing into any situation of the sort will just land you in the target zone of law, ridicule, or scorn. You must be careful particularly with your own children, I think, and... find your own way of dealing with other people\'s.

Kids aren\'t the only problem... there are people screaming \"MY BALLS ARE SWEATING OFF!!!\" at my school...

But yeah kids are becoming much more aggravating and arrogant. Luckily there are SOME miracles I\'ve seen in kids younger than 12 years of age.

your\'e all correct about kids. the thing is though i know kids who are older than me
(14 and over) who are just as bad.
is it how they were brought up or are they naturally prats:conf::conf::conf:

Do you all happen to watch Dr. Phil? Think of kids as people who just haven\'t learned the rules of the game yet. If Jimmy walks up to Tommy and smacks him over the head with a toy, tell Jimmy to stop, but give him a reason to: torture him! No, not flogging him or Chinese Water Torture, but take away what it is he likes. Every time. Not just when you \"really mean it\", every friggin\' time. That\'s how my Dad got me to straiten up; heck, I\'m 14 and and I don\'t curse, because I know as soon as I do, I\'ll get a backhand on the back of my head. Action ~ Reaction. simplest of all concepts, even 2-year-olds get it.

and BassGospel, almost all of a person\'s personality is based on how they were raised as kids. not all, but almost all.

(background for me: I\'m 14, an only child from divorced parents. my dad is a tough-guy hypocrite, and my mom treats me like I\'m about 10. I attend public school, I\'m going into high school in August, and life is good. I\'m not spoiled, because I don\'t ask for hardly anything, aside from the usual bread and water. I\'m fairly fit, and one of my favorite passtimes is and always has been reading. Believe it or not, Harry Potter is actually a good book series! Huzzah! and there are other good stories out there: Tolkein\'s LotR, the Chronicals of Narnia, a series of Unfortunate Events, etc. So, yes, there are good books for kids to read, they just have to find them.)

[Edited on 7/4/04 by Serpentarius]

[quote]Originally posted by Serpentarius
heck, I\'m 14 and and I don\'t curse

[Edited on 7/4/04 by Serpentarius] [/quote]

I don\'t curse either, and I\'m 16! By choice, too! All my friends curse (behind their parents backs, of course, for they fear them probably) but I never utter a single curse word, online or off.

And about the parents, I think I figured it out. Most teenagers parents are from the \"in my day, we had to blah, blah, blah\" category. However, parents of the annoying, arrogant kids of today are from the \"when I was you age I was spending money at the brand new all-Pacman arcade\" category, meaning, they don\'t have some of the values and experiences older adults do, making them less able and/or willing to put a kid through painstaking work (or pain)! I just had to point that out.

Dr. Phil is evil. I have no beef with kids, at all. I don\'t look down upon them. I do have beef with idiots though, and you have to admit some of the kids we\'re discussing about are idiots.

And for those that don\'t use foul language..that\'s nice, do you want a medal? Yeah, it\'s not good for kids to know the words because they\'ll keep repeating them in public to get a reaction from people and their parents. But when you\'re older it doesn\'t matter, society as a whole has stopped caring about your future by then.

Yes, I\'d say that in today\'s society, not many people care about the good old morals. They don\'t hammer them into their kids because they themselves don\'t care.

Don\'t lose hope however, because there always people like us who want to do the right thing and be mature. We may disagree on how to get there, but we want the world to get better.

Never give up, never give in. I\'m sure I\'ve strayed quite a bit from the subject, that tends to happen when I rant. Part of the reason I try not to on these boards.

[Edited on 7/4/2004 by Mega X.exe]

It\'s okay to mess around sometimes but you need to be mature but have fun.
I am nearly 14 and I was arguing with my idiot cousin who is 14. i was being more mature and she told me to \'act my age\'.
What? it\'s just because she can\'t win an arguement
:madgo::madgo:

Alright B.Gospel, i\'ll bite. \'Tis true the word that have been typed on my screen

\"It\'s okay to mess around sometimes but you need to be mature but have fun.\"

In a lot of situations you can\'t be mature AND have fun. So cut out those last 3 words and its good. But it has come to my attention that most people who say the common phase, \"Act your age\" are the same age as you. Seeing as how the average age ratio here is about 13 & 14, that person who just used a really lame phrase needs to shut up. If your a kid you actually need to screw around a lot and complain about everything. (Soon nobodys going to care) So you should go to this cousin of yours and tell her to shove it..... Needs to stop being such a bossy crack whore and go play a video game. (V.G.s bring people together! ;D )

(There was a mini-rant for you. Who knew i could go on about a small paragraph. Not me. Sometimes i don\'t even know where i pull these from....)