Michael Drosnin has written an interesting book and I would like your opinions on his findings. The book is called \'The Bible Code\' and the basic question presented is \'how can there be free will if God knows everything in advance and has outlined our futures for us?\' The answer, per Drosnin\'s research, is that God does know everything in advance and HAS presented that information to us in full. According to Drosnin, we know the Bible is over 3000 yrs old but it is also known now that it foretells events that happened and will happen years after it was written. That information is contained in the Bible not only through direct text but also through encoded text. That is, there is a code written in the Bible. Sir Isaac Newton believed such a code existed and tried to decipher it but, without the complex computers of today, he was unable. With the advent of modern computers, an Israeli mathmetician has cracked it and has had it confirmed by mathematical pundits around the world. The concept is this... if the ORIGINAL hebrew text of the Old Testament of the Bible is taken and written word for word (as it would have been transcribed when written directly from the word of God) with no spaces and then entered into a computer, it can then be analyzed. The computer program written by Israeli mathmetician, Dr. Eliyahu Rips, locates patterns and identifies coded text. Since discovering this code, Drosnin states that past events in history have been found easily with exacting dates and information. Some of his examples are the JFK, Robert Kennedy, Lincoln, Ghandi, Sadat assassinations, WWII, Oklahoma City bombing, the subway gas attack in Tokyo, the Kobe earthquake et al. There have also been extremely accurate predictions of future events by analyzing this code. Most notably, the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin was discovered prior to its occurrence. The author of the book himself personally presented this information to Rabin\'s staff of naysayers. After the assassination occured, Drosnin was immediately called back by the new Prime Minister\'s staff and the Mossad. Other predictions were reportedly made prior to their occurence with exact information like the beginning of the Gulf War. Additional interesting points by Drosnin are that the encoded text discusses an immediate threat to Israel of nuclear war and if the world were to be endangered by a war again (i.e. WWIII), then it would start in Israel. This is yet to be seen. Other holocaustic dates and scenarios are discussed in this Biblical code. In other places, the codes predict that the entire world might be shaken by an earthquake in Japan again and predict dates for an economic collapse again. Apparently, the information is available but we must know how to interpret it. The troublesome concept of these predictions is that it appears that the Bible, rather than simply stating the final single outcome for us, presents multiple possible futures and outcomes. But... as Drosnin writes, the Bible does present them all to us, with the implication that everything is forseen but freedom of action is given to us by God. That, is the true paradox as presented by Drosnin\'s book and the Bible code. In other words, these Biblical codes become warnings as much as predictions.

That is just like saying something about fate, or destiny. Yes, I believe that having a destiny, but that destiny is created through our own thoughts and actions. Sure, God may have an ultimate thing awaiting for us, but then God wasted time on the whole \"Free-mind ad thoughts\" deal. And God does not waste anything for anyone.

But that is my opinion, and if something is wrong, then please don\'t quote me on it. It is based on my own memories and thoughts.

[Edited on 12-2-2005 by Enix]

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Dude, there is a return key on the common key board. I had a little trouble reading that but I know what you\'re talking about. I don\'t believe in gods other than God and Wind. I don\'t really give much attention to religious babblings. Notradomus made a lot of those pedictions too. Same exact ones. I\'m not sure, but wasn\'t he before the bible? Wouldn\'t that make him god (not God but, you know). Also, he died. That means that what those swedish philosihers said was right, god is dead.

Ok, I\'ll stop before I\'m crusified.

Man..what is up with these religious topics lately?

I say we make a topic filled with religion, politics, sex, lies, genderbending homosexuals, Final Fantasy 7, Halo, GTA, something Japanese the otakus love, and Zero..and make it the most flame filled topic in the history of histories.

Actually, Christianity was before Jesus.

They just used him as the spokesman! =D

Though, I\'d say the true origins of that religion is little messed up because they\'ve worked so hard to blend in events that you don\'t know WHEN they really happened.

The religion was started by Jesus. It is incorrect to say that he was a chritian though, he was jewish. He was crusified because he broke jewish law. There was no chritianity before Christ. That\'s like saying there where muffins before batter. He really started the religion by telling others that he was \"the son.\" That\'s why he was killed, he was going around and getting people to follow him as a god instead of the god that the Jews worshiped. Him doing that was against the fifteen....uh....ten commanmants. So, he was put to death and put in a tomb/cave thing. Three days later some nuns came and looked inside and there was no Jesus.

And that\'s why we have christian holidays like easter. If you want to know about why we have chickens and chocolate bunnies, ask Robin Williams.

Uh.

He wasn\'t make a spokesman until 500 years after he DIED.

Seriously. He wasn\'t connected to the religion until the romans decided to give him the title \"Son of God\" =P

I don\'t remember where I found this information and google is NOT BEING HELPFUL. *kills Google* I just remember that he wasn\'t really connected to the religion until after he was dead for a long while!

If anyone can help me find this information, I\'ll be grateful. --; I might\'ve seen it off of History Channel.

[Edited on 12-2-2005 by Kia_Purity]

Well I don\'t know about the Jesus thing, but I\'ve seen a whole thing about the Bible Code on the History Channel. It\'s predictions were far more accurate than those of Nostradamos, whose were very vague. And there was something in the Bible Code that Nostradamos didn\'t say anything: the end of the world. I don\'t want anyone to get freaked out, so I won\'t say when it will be if the Bible Code is right.

Oh, and remember, the Bible Code only works with the original Hebrew bible, not the English translation.

[quote]Originally posted by Kia_Purity
Uh.

He wasn\'t make a spokesman until 500 years after he DIED.

Seriously. He wasn\'t connected to the religion until the romans decided to give him the title \"Son of God\" =P

I don\'t remember where I found this information and google is NOT BEING HELPFUL. *kills Google* I just remember that he wasn\'t really connected to the religion until after he was dead for a long while!

If anyone can help me find this information, I\'ll be grateful. --; I might\'ve seen it off of History Channel.

[Edited on 12-2-2005 by Kia_Purity] [/quote]

I highly disbelieve that, how can he not have been connected to the Religion he started?

Like I said, I need help with finding this information. =P

I guess it must\'ve come from history channel...

Of course, it\'s not fair to judge the credibilty of something without hearing it--unless, you know it has the word \"Elvis\" in it--so if you find it, I\'d like to hear it.

Jesus was connected to the religion the day he was born. He had followers during his life. Those followers were the Christians. He played a major role in the religion for he was the eleged saviour.

Though, got a question. How come Jesus is considered a big part of Christanity when he\'s only like, in middle of the bible? There\'s other stories and everything that doesn\'t always pertain to him.

Moses. Noah. That guy and the whale. You know what I mean.

I don\'t remember much of the bible as I used to, I guess.

Moses and Noah are in the Old Testimat, the Jewish Torah. Jesus came after that but is importent because he suposivly died for our \"sins\" so that when we die we could go to the \"kingdom of God\" known as Heaven.

Though certainly not an expert at this, I think I\'m confident of what knowledge I have.

Yes, Moses, Noah, Jonah, and all those dudes don\'t seem to necessarily pertain directly to Jesus. First off, that\'s because the Bible is pretty much like Mr. Match said, half of it is the Jewish Torah. After all, didn\'t the real descrepency between Judaism and Christianity start around the time Jesus was crucified? The reason that the Bible includes the old testiment is pretty much summed up in 2 reasons.

1) Jesus was Jewish, the religions are the same aside from the \"Jesus rose again\" thing.
2) Christianity states that prophecies were made about the lineage of the Son of God, and those prophecies pertain to people discussed in the Old Testament. (remember that song? Father Abraham, had many sons, and many sons had Father Abraham...)

Now, the four Gospels (Hebrew for \"Good News\" if my memory serves) are what tell about Jesus. Life, death, crucifixion, reraising, etc. Then you\'ve got a whole bunch of other New Testement books that don\'t pertain to him at all. These books can be viewed as a sort of \"how to live your life\" instruction booklet. They offer practical advice about things such as stealing, cheating, death, taxes, and a variety of things useful to know about everyday life. Also, they express common problems or feelings, such as love, hate, retribution, etc. Right down at the very end, like maybe 30 pages if you\'ve got a good-sized bible, is Revelations. That describes the fates of believers and non-believers, as told in a dream sent by God to Peter(I think, maybe?).

Wanna creep those kids you\'re baby-sitting out? read \'em Revelations. \"All the liars, cheaters, practicers of magic, so on and so forth, shall all burn in the pits of sulfur, for this is a second death.\"

That\'s the skin and bones of it, even though I made blunt generalizations and am probably wrong about a number of things such as names, places, etc. Feel free to correct me! I need to dust off my Bible anyways.

[quote]Originally posted by Mega X.exe
[quote]Originally posted by Kia_Purity
Uh.

He wasn\'t make a spokesman until 500 years after he DIED.

Seriously. He wasn\'t connected to the religion until the romans decided to give him the title \"Son of God\" =P

I don\'t remember where I found this information and google is NOT BEING HELPFUL. *kills Google* I just remember that he wasn\'t really connected to the religion until after he was dead for a long while!

If anyone can help me find this information, I\'ll be grateful. --; I might\'ve seen it off of History Channel.

[Edited on 12-2-2005 by Kia_Purity] [/quote]

I highly disbelieve that, how can he not have been connected to the Religion he started? [/quote]Actually, Jesus was Jewish. The bible wasn\'t written until hundreds of years after he died and there\'s still the question of who wrote it, and Noah was stoen from an ancient Babilonan tale of a salesman taking animals and ale etc. on a boat across the river. However, while he was out, it flooded. The Roman Catholic monks decided to change this and basically say \"If you don\'t do as we say, God will do the same to you\".

[Edited on 13/2/05 by AirMan]

Eh, I know Jesus was jewish, but he did start the Religion. BTW, the gospels were written during Jesus\' lifetime.

Really? I always got the impression they were written a few years after he died. Technically, since it records his death and resurrection, wouldn\'t it be a work in progress until after Jesus had risen again? Meh, something like that.

*wipes dust off his Bible*

It was either during, or soon after. The point is that they were the accounts of people who witnessed it.

Actually, it was written long after his lifetime. It was though before then, probably, and passed on by word of mouth. This is very inaccurite and it probably changed the original stories a lot. I don\'t believe they were that accurite to start with, though.

Well. let\'s agree to disagree, OK?

fine.

It\'s way too easy to say that \"Someone has managed to crack the Bible code and it says this and that\" without stating how it is exactly done. This could be more like \"imaging that the code means this and that\" since it can be interpreted in many to infinite ways.

I believe that all those things that has happened were used as a reference so the computers would know what to determine out of the code with gazillions of the craziest operations. From all the outcoming operations that have done the right thing people hope to find out some trend to predict the future with. And when those operations are not sufficient enough to do so, people would put in even more things to try out on the code until these issues are resolved.

So you could even use another random book instead of the Bible code to decipher all of these out of it and \"prove\" how reliable the source is.

Prove that The Lord of the Rings was a Satanic book about what will happen after the world will end. Heh! Someone would probably do that and all!