I completely agree. There is never a justified occasion for suicide, and if it doesn\'t work it just hurts a whole lot. No point in that eh?
The whole poor=suicide reminds me of something in Futurama. One of the officers told a judge they couldn\'t throw the Futurama gang in jail because it was full. He says there was no room after the court ruled being poor a criminal offense.

There is no reasonable reason for suicide. The people who think there is are uncaring fools, in my opinion anyway. I seriously think people who think suicide is okay if no one cares about the person are messed up. Besides, people who commit suicide don\'t normally really want to die. They just feel like it\'s the only way out.

I believe, that it\'s that persons life. If they want to end it, and they\'re not just crying for attention..why not let them end it?

I read once about a young girl who jumped off a bridge because she had intense migraines throughout her life and couldn\'t take the pain. Medicines wouldn\'t help..nothing would. So she decided to take her life. I personally think people who would\'ve told her to try and live are abit...what is the word...selfish? \"You need to stay alive, what if your pain can be healed, what if you can live a normal life, what if you could have a family, what if what if what if\"

Right. Usually people like that are just trying to be the hero, trying to rescue a person. I don\'t understand why animals can have a calm sendoff (euthansia) but us humans have to live until we\'re 100, attached to machines, not able to breathe on our own.. Why is it so \"wrong\" for people to off themselves when they think their time has come?

I think it\'s because humans want to be immortal. Even if they get close to death, they want doctors to do anything to make them live.

Anyways...if someone makes a suicide topic on the internet (about wanting to commit it of course), I will not take them seriously nor will I post that they should off themselves. No offense to any parties involved but people who post suicide threads on the internet are usually goths who want attention. I\'ve become so jaded to them and suicide threads in general, that I do chuckle when one pops up.

So there you have it.

You\'ve got to learn to be happy and enjoy the things of life, commit suicide any you\'ll never enjoy any splendors of life....think about it....The more you know! ding ding

Suggest that \"John\" kill himself and see what emerges from that. Personally, people like John are the true leeches in society. They serve no purpose other than to be destructive. If you know him in real life, smack him upside the head a few times.

LOL! Yeah, we need smarted people, who care about what others think. If I died right now, I bet mmmost people around me would be crying. They would miss me.

Why ruin someone else\'s life by taking your own?

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Once again, Wind and I mostly agree to a point.

I don\'t think seeing myself for who I really am would be a good idea either... I don\'t even want to know what I\'d find.

I doubt that there are many people who\'d be pleased to see themselves for what they really are. I doubt I\'d be. I\'m scared of what I\'d find. But when that day comes. I will rise to the challenge. I will fight and redeem myself no matter what.

Back on the matter of suffering. There\'s always two sides to every coin. Suffering, pleasure. It depends on what side of the coin you look at. No matter what suffering you find, there is something good. Always.

Suicide is the coward\'s way out. If I\'ve offended anyone, even you Wind, I don\'t care. I won\'t be apologizing any time soon. I mean, when you have low health in a game, do you turn the game off? Or do you play the level in the hopes that you\'ll get more health or be able to beat the level?

Suicide is a cowardly exit. Besides, what\'ll happen next? Many people believe you\'ll cease to exist. What\'s the point? You want to *not* exist!? Fine. Everyone called you a loser in life. You weren\'t. But when you committed suicide, you became one.

If I\'ve offended you, go... listen to your angsty-whiny-goth music or something.

The cowards way out..yet another tactic people use when they\'re low on things to say to the person thinking about suicide.

I probably don\'t know, because honestly I\'ve never had a situation bad enough to know, but ANYTHING must be better than suicide. I\'ll give you my reasoning...

If you are a Christian, you believe suicide\'s the one-way road to Hell.

If you\'re not a Christian, what is your after-life, even after death? What if by killing yourself, you are stuck in that moment of pain, or yoour soul ceases to exist? What if you are reincarnated into something with an even worse life? Personally, I believe in none of the above, but you\'ve got to believe something happens after death.

Trust me, nothing could ever be worse for you than not existing. No amount of pain (except perhaps Hell, as it is an existance of pure pain) could ever be worse.

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*gives Wind a cookie* I don\'t think you\'re a coward. If you are, you\'re the first coward I\'ve seen willing to stand up for himself and talk about controversial issues.

I don\'t see how it\'s cowardly to kill yourself. Hell, I\'ve never heard someone say \"what a coward\" after they\'ve heard someone commit suicide. I\'ve heard \"what an idiot\" and \"gosh that\'s terrible\" but never anything dealing with cowardice.

And see...Aimman, not everyone believes in \"something happening\" after death. Some people think death is the END. Your brain stops functioning and that\'s it, you\'re dead, nada, zilch, zero, dead. No light, no reincarnation, no nothing. And the people who believe that are fine with that I\'m sure. There are people that aren\'t afraid of dying and therefore don\'t need a hope for any \"afterlife\".

I have to agree with X(a first maybe ^_^) I think killing yourself is the path or a true coward, even when you hit the bottom you have no place to go but up. I mean who really knows what the next day has in store for you, it could be the break you have been looking for your whole life. Wind you said

Ah, but there are many sides to killing onesself. What if the killing of one results in the salvation of many? A little scenario:

A brilliant physicist has discovered a way to make the most powerful bomb ever, one which could annihilate the entire human race. He comes to realize that it could most definitely be taken into the wrong hands, and decides to burn all of his papers.. but.. he knows to much, and now, there are enemy troops breaking down his front door. The scientist owns a handgun and one clip with 8 bullets. He knows that, should he be captured, he would surely crack under torture. Does he:
a) Use the 8 bullets to take out the heavily-armored and well-trained troops.. there are ten of them, by the way
Surrender and bargain, knowing they\'ll get what they want, aynway
c) Kill himself with the gun, and thusly save the world from a fiery demise

Not very applicable to most real-life suicides, perhaps, but there are definitely instances in which a suicide is more helpful than hurtful. If a psychopathic serial rapist murderer is cornered by police, and kills himself, more power to him! He\'s saved our tax dollars from going to caring for him in prison, and we don\'t have to have another raging death penalty debate, plus, he\'s off the streets FOR GOOD.

Depression suicides... I think these are, in a manner, sad. I believe it is truly remorseful to hear that someone has felt so hopeless and distraught that they took their own life. However, I can understand where they\'re coming from. I have never truly felt like committing suicide, but I have felt the sensation that drives many to do so: powerlessness. Powerless to stop pain, addiction, depression, whether the powerlessness be real or perceived. I don\'t think it\'s right for people to commit suicide, but, I don\'t think that those who try are bad people, I simply realize that those who TRULY wanted to die have suffered more than I could probably imagine. I think it\'s wonderful when a suicide attempt can be stopped, and that person can be helped, and turn around, and live a happy life. Sometimes, this just isn\'t possible. Those who would attempt suicide for attention often have psychological disorders of somekind, and are not to blame. Thus, it\'s difficult, if not impossible, to classify suicide attempts as being \'good\' or \'bad\'. They\'re simply there, they happen, and emotional recourse is but a side-affect.

I\'ve never said someone who tried to kill them self is a \"bad person\"(not to say anyone is actually talking about my post) they just need help I think. and Pikachu I think that homeless people are not homeless by choice, they just need to make some other life choices to get them out of the mess that they somehow got themselves into. i.e.: someone is an alcoholic and drinks everyday. They lost their job/family because of drinking. I think this person is in need or a serious life reevaluation, drinking is not so important that it should consume your whole life, a person can get help if they truly want it. Anyone who says they do not want help for a problem is just being stubborn and may just need someone to talk to them for a bit to help with the process.

like Shadowfire said sometimes suicide happens and no one can stop them, because to that person it may seem like the only way out. I guess I have just never been down enough to think I had no other way so I can\'t see through the eyes of a person like that. But like I said in another thread I try to live my life the way I see fit and just be a good person. I would always TRY to save a person. Now if I succeed of fail I don\'t know, if I do succeed I will be a happy young man, if I fail I will be a bit sad because of it, but I would not let it stop me from helping the next person, and have the knowledge from my last encounter to guide me.

I don\'t really know what point I was trying to prove when I started to type this, but maybe I got something across to you all

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I agree with AimMan there are things that happen after death.
and yes I\'m a Christian

[Edited on 4/29/2003 by pual]